jodo kast 5 Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 All that means crap, Bastila and you know it. Take a look at KotOR 2. Look at its quality, its support, and give it a good analytical break down. That game deserves no sequel. Let the series die and be done with it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No 6 Foot Invisible Rabbit its not crap. Yes Kotor 2 ending was a flaw but I know for a fact that there are at least a few hints for a third Kotor.Kotor does deserve a sequal. As you probably already know Revan is a popular figure and people want to know what happened to Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with Bastilla, 6 foot rabbit, they have to make another one other wise its many questions that don't add up: who/what/where is the true sith,what happened to Revan? p.s sorry Bastilla , Obsidian just ain't going to do any more kotor.
Drakron Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 As one review said, KotOR2 was made because a sequel to KotOR had to be made .... KotOR needed no sequel, BioWare made a game that had a start and a ending and then KotOR2 was made to cash in the popularity of that game (after all they managed to get KotOR enties into the Database with all their spam). KotOR2 have no merits of its own, its foundations are build in KotOR. Only reason of why KotOR 2 needs a sequel is that Chris confuses Matrix Revolution with The Empire Strikes Back and failed to make a proper ending to the game. If KotOR3 is made is just because KotOR2 was a big failure in providing something close to a ending.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 If KotOR3 is made is just because KotOR2 was a big failure in providing something close to a ending. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the game selling scads " I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
metadigital Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I agree with Bastilla, 6 foot rabbit, they have to make another one other wise its many questions that don't add up: who/what/where is the true sith,what happened to Revan? p.s sorry Bastilla , Obsidian just ain't going to do any more kotor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No business cares about the narrative integrity of a fantasy story, regardless of how important you think it is. A sequel will only be made if there is a perceived return on investment. As the second game reached "Best RPG on 2005" (was there any competition? ), there is likely to be some momentum towards a sequel as a "quick win"; however, judging by the animosity in the fora to K2, it is likely that LA have used up any goodwill from the first game in the incomplete release of the second. So it really doesn't matter how much anyone individually wants a sequel, or to see Revan or the Exile again, or even to swing a lightsabre; it only matters whether there is a paycheque at the end of the exercise; a meal of fresh bread for all those doing the henny-penny breadmaking. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 Well you can count the number of RPGs done on the Xbox on your fingers.. If you condense it to "proper" RPGs then probably one hand. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Kaftan Barlast Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 When will you people give up and realise that neither BioWare or OE is ever going to touch anything KoTOR related again. And considering they dropped development of it, neither will LucasArts. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
AGaeris Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Why does it deserve a sequel? You have yet answered this question to my satisfaction. Story wise, character development, and their interaction with the rules system given gives NO ROOM FOR A SEQUEL. Also I don't care what happened to Revan. Revan's tory and relevance ended with the first KotOR. He was at max level. Exile's relevance ended with KotOR 2. He was beyond what is the max level for Star Wars d20. A game with a poor story, poor characters, poor support, and poor rules implementation does not deserve a sequel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but it's money that talks, not quality. Besides, Kotor II was head and shoulders above its predecessor in many of the departments you listed. I wonder if you kids just can't get over the "wow" of the Revan spoiler or something. KOTOR was a poptart: sweet, but not too bright. KOTOR II was steak, it just wasn't cooked long enough, and like steak, some people are just fine with that.
kirottu Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Well, if Obsidian is contracted to make kotor 3 it wont come out for 3 years... This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
metadigital Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Why does it deserve a sequel? You have yet answered this question to my satisfaction. Story wise, character development, and their interaction with the rules system given gives NO ROOM FOR A SEQUEL. Also I don't care what happened to Revan. Revan's tory and relevance ended with the first KotOR. He was at max level. Exile's relevance ended with KotOR 2. He was beyond what is the max level for Star Wars d20. A game with a poor story, poor characters, poor support, and poor rules implementation does not deserve a sequel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but it's money that talks, not quality. Besides, Kotor II was head and shoulders above its predecessor in many of the departments you listed. I wonder if you kids just can't get over the "wow" of the Revan spoiler or something. KOTOR was a poptart: sweet, but not too bright. KOTOR II was steak, it just wasn't cooked long enough, and like steak, some people are just fine with that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But I like my rib fillet blue, and I thought KotOR 2 sucked. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
AGaeris Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Why does it deserve a sequel? You have yet answered this question to my satisfaction. Story wise, character development, and their interaction with the rules system given gives NO ROOM FOR A SEQUEL. Also I don't care what happened to Revan. Revan's tory and relevance ended with the first KotOR. He was at max level. Exile's relevance ended with KotOR 2. He was beyond what is the max level for Star Wars d20. A game with a poor story, poor characters, poor support, and poor rules implementation does not deserve a sequel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but it's money that talks, not quality. Besides, Kotor II was head and shoulders above its predecessor in many of the departments you listed. I wonder if you kids just can't get over the "wow" of the Revan spoiler or something. KOTOR was a poptart: sweet, but not too bright. KOTOR II was steak, it just wasn't cooked long enough, and like steak, some people are just fine with that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But I like my rib fillet blue, and I thought KotOR 2 sucked. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I, for one, was pleased that they actually made an original story rather than recycling one of their old ones. I can't say I was amused when I discovered I was playing Neverwinter Nights all over again in KOTOR.
metadigital Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Ah, but how far the fall from the potential glory of the narrative in K2 to the dismal caricature that it manefested itself as ... how much worse the feeling of disapointment in this case than just to be playing the usual "chosen one" plot. It could have been spectacular. It might have been a modern classic. Alas it was a dud. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Drakron Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I, for one, was pleased that they actually made an original story rather than recycling one of their old ones. I can't say I was amused when I discovered I was playing Neverwinter Nights all over again in KOTOR. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They recycled Planescape:Torment story. Just because you did not recognized it was recycled does not mean it was not, most stories share the same basic concepts but in KotOR2 the story they recycled did not worked for that expecific setting.
AGaeris Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Ah, but how far the fall from the potential glory of the narrative in K2 to the dismal caricature that it manefested itself as ... how much worse the feeling of disapointment in this case than just to be playing the usual "chosen one" plot. It could have been spectacular. It might have been a modern classic. Alas it was a dud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's the price of gambling with LA. Eventually you're going to lose. For my own part, I can't even stand playing KOTOR after KOTOR II. It's like just finishing Titus Andronicus and then being told that all you have left to read are stories written for third graders. They recycled Planescape:Torment story. Ah, but Torment was a good story.
SteveThaiBinh Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 They recycled Planescape:Torment story. Just because you did not recognized it was recycled does not mean it was not, most stories share the same basic concepts but in KotOR2 the story they recycled did not worked for that expecific setting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kotor 2 was similar to Planescape: Torment, but then, most stories are recycled in one way or another. I thought they made it work well for the Star Wars setting - in fact, they made Star Wars more interesting by applying some concepts and ambiguities that are actually more interesting, to me at least. Kotor 2 was a flawed masterpiece, not a failure. It just needed a bit more time/effort to make the storytelling coherent and get the ending right. It will be a challenge for any developer other than Obsidian to create Kotor 3 and incorporate elements of Kotor 2 successfully. I foresee some major simplifications, and I doubt Kreia will even get a mention. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov)
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 Kotor 2 was a flawed masterpiece, not a failure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very apt description. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
metadigital Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Kotor 2 was a flawed masterpiece, not a failure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very apt description. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With a big crack right down the middle of the stone ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 What else has the depth of story that KOTOR II does ? Without looking across to Japan anyway. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Baley Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Sanitarium and PS:T crush K2 depth wise.... Of course I can't think of many recent games... Some NWN modules maybe....
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 I probably should have said without delving into ancient history. Still that you would have to do that pretty much makes the point anyway. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Dark_Lord_Revan Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 Well, to get back to the topic of KOTOR 3, I believe that both Xbox Magazine and EGM Mag both stated that Kotor 3 was indevelopment in their last issues, but I can't remember if they said by WHO, they just said that it was being develpoed and that it follows Revan's story.
Darth Flatus Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 i bet you somebody will believe this to be 100% confirmation and report it on another forum and thus more fuel will be added to the fire of rumour
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 i bet you somebody will believe this to be 100% confirmation and report it on another forum and thus more fuel will be added to the fire of rumour <{POST_SNAPBACK}> # Great idea I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
jodo kast 5 Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 shouldnt this be in the "Kotor111 after Kotor11" topic?..........i sense the Green Dragon, or Skull Head is near........
Darth Flatus Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 i bet you somebody will believe this to be 100% confirmation and report it on another forum and thus more fuel will be added to the fire of rumour <{POST_SNAPBACK}> # Great idea <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ..what? no! that was not my intention!! :angry: ....actually upon reflection i guess it may be fun to create false hopes for all the revanites out there *recalls the time he claimed the restoration project was shut down by Lucasarts* hehe
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted June 19, 2005 Author Posted June 19, 2005 *recalls the time he claimed the restoration project was shut down by Lucasarts* hehe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dark Side points gained.. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
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