Next Gen Consoles

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

In other words, the BULK of the Cell's processing power is unusuable by games as they are generally architected.

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And those are the key words. Which is what he is alluding to I suspect.

[EnderAndrew]

In other words, the BULK of the Cell's processing power is unusuable by games as they are generally architected.

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And those are the key words. Which is what he is alluding to I suspect.

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I think that's propoganda. The guys at Sony aren't stupid. You do really think they just spend 4 years making a processor for a gaming system that can't run games?

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

I think that's propoganda.  The guys at Sony aren't stupid.  You do really think they just spend 4 years making a processor for a gaming system that can't run games?

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It's probably fair to say that some element of rethinking is required. However thats a good thing rather than rehashing something that is little more than an upgraded PC.

[EnderAndrew]

Multi-threaded processing in and of itself is a very different beast to develop for. Development for the PS3 is a new trick to learn, but that doesn't make the 360 a more powerful machine.

[Darth Flatus]

Cell processors are not just made for gaming. Sony want to put them in everything.

 

But yeah 360 not more powerful than PS3 (like it matters)

[EnderAndrew]

Cell processors are not just made for gaming. Sony want to put them in everything.

 

But yeah 360 not more powerful than PS3 (like it matters)

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Cell processors won't make it into the PC market. They were designed for the PS3 and home theatre systems primarily.

[Darth Flatus]

Sony want to put them in fridges and microwaves and stuff....

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Sony want to put them in fridges and microwaves and stuff....

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MegaMan :D

[Darth Flatus]

.. will this mean i am able to play games on my microwave and warm food in my console? Or how about keep food cold in my tv.

With all these cell enabled home appliances talking to each other, will they form a clique and shut me out? Worse still what if they conspire against me?

[EnderAndrew]

Mini-fridges make for a very good endtable in your gaming room. Keep a lamp on top, and cold drinks in it.

[mkreku]

The processor used in the Xbox 360 and the PS3 aren't that different from each other. They are both multi-core processors, only the PS3 has more (but simpler) cores to consider. Right now it's impossible to say which processor will be the strongest. The only thing we can say is that the PS3 processor has the potential to be much stronger than its Xbox 360 equivalent and both processors will demand a new way of programming from the game developers. I'm quite certain the Xbox 360 will have a better SDK than the PS3 (Microsoft is admittedly good at these things), but if you take a long hard look at the games on the Xbox and the PS2, it doesn't seem to have mattered much that the Xbox is easier to develop for. I mean, the Xbox is a much more powerful machine than the PS2, but the games that are out on both platforms look very much alike (comparing Fight Night Round 2, FIFA 2005, NHL 2005, Burnout 3: Takedown, Colin McRae Rally 2005 among others).

[Darth Flatus]

.... But didnt you see the PS3 clip with all the ducks? That was amazing.. so many rubber duckies!!

[mkreku]

.... But didnt you see the PS3 clip with all the ducks? That was amazing.. so many rubber duckies!!

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Yes, I did. I also saw the 'Gears of War' demo (the soldier-hunting one, without a name, that's also using Unreal 3 tech), among other things, which is why I don't understand why 'some people' (read: Epiphany) claims the demos were all prerendered. I mean, how do you prerender the duck demo so you can control them like that in real time? How do you prerender a game demo so that you can change camera views on-the-fly like that? It's not possible, unless they were being rendered in real time.

 

A good read for the PS3 tech-interested: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140617

[Volourn]

"then people will be going whats an Xbox360 in 6 years time."

 

6 years from now, the next genertaion of consoles will be on their way to being released so people will be starting to say 'xbox 360 and PS3? what are those?', anyways.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

"then people will be going whats an Xbox360 in 6 years time."

 

6 years from now, the next genertaion of consoles will be on their way to being released so people will be starting to say 'xbox 360 and PS3? what are those?', anyways.

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It's possible, but unless something drastic happens on the technology front or unless the generation after this has some sort of total immersion there isnt that much room for improvement which will mean a longer lifespan (kind of goodnews for us anyway).

 

I meant it in the way that the dreamcast went.

[Volourn]

There will always be room for improvement; besides the amrket palce hence the customers are conditioned to expect new consoles every 5-10 years (general time line; not exact) so I'd be surprised that there isn't at least a scheduled release for new consoles by 2015 at the latest. As for the Dc; it bombed 'cause it sucked. X-BOX 360 may not be as powerful as PS3; but I doubt it will suck.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Yes, I did. I also saw the 'Gears of War' demo (the soldier-hunting one, without a name, that's also using Unreal 3 tech), among other things, which is why I don't understand why 'some people' (read: Epiphany) claims the demos were all prerendered. I mean, how do you prerender the duck demo so you can control them like that in real time? How do you prerender a game demo so that you can change camera views on-the-fly like that? It's not possible, unless they were being rendered in real time.

 

A good read for the PS3 tech-interested: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140617

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Tell you what. If that isnt done in real time the coreographer should get some sort of award.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

There will always be room for improvement; besides the amrket palce hence the customers are conditioned to expect new consoles every 5-10 years (general time line; not exact) so I'd be surprised that there isn't at least a scheduled release for new consoles by 2015 at the latest. As for the Dc; it bombed 'cause it sucked. X-BOX 360 may not be as powerful as PS3; but I doubt it will suck.

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You do need a fairly significant improvement to launch a new console. It's much different to just sticking out an upgraded vidoe card every 6 months after all.

 

10 years will be twice the lifespan of the PS and the PS2 which is a pretty significant increase. And on potential the PS3 wins hands down across the board. IF , and it is only if that can be tapped then the 360 is a totally obsolete machine that wont even be able to run PS3 software because its HDDVD cant handle the capacity. So unless you want to spread the games over 4 disks (you probably recall FFVIII quite well). Then its stuck for the duration. Unless MS introduce another new console earlier which would be a costly move.

[mkreku]

X-BOX 360 may not be as powerful as PS3; but I doubt it will suck.

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Who knows..

 

http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox...s3-part-1-of-4/

 

Major Nelson says the Xbox 360 will be 3-5 times as powerful as the PS3!!1!

[Epiphany]

I mean, the Xbox is a much more powerful machine than the PS2, but the games that are out on both platforms look very much alike (comparing Fight Night Round 2, FIFA 2005, NHL 2005, Burnout 3: Takedown, Colin McRae Rally 2005 among others).

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Um... When you take a simple look at multi-console games that specifically take advantages of the hardware, such as Splinter Cell, you see a huge difference between the visual quality and features between the PS2 and Xbox versions. The majority of the games you listed are EA products by one way or another, and EA builds for the lowest common denominator.

[Darth Flatus]

5 years is a an eon of technological improvements. So i expect new consoles to made purely on that basis.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

5 years is a an eon of technological improvements. So i expect new consoles to made purely on that basis.

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Yes but you have to have somewhere to go... I mean the graphics upgrades betwween this gen and the next are a no brainer. But can you really see another jump like that possible?

 

Of course it may well be a good thing. Once you cap on the graphics front you then have to seek otherways to immerse the gamer.

[Darth Flatus]

The graphics thing - people tend to say that every generation "surely the graphics cant get any better!" and yet they do.

 

But largely i agree with you , its difficult to see what the new horizon to break is in gameplay and to imagine how they will make big improvements in graphics.

 

but developers will keep pushing the boundaries requiring more space and power and in turn that will necessitate an update in consumer technology.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

The graphics thing - people tend to say that every generation "surely the graphics cant get any better!" and yet they do.

 

But largely i agree with you , its difficult to see what the new horizon to break is in gameplay and to imagine how they will make big improvements in graphics.

 

but developers will keep pushing the boundaries requiring more space and power and in turn that will necessitate an update in consumer technology.

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They may, but it's always been because they doubt technology. Now there isnt much room for the graphics to go because they are almost photorealistic. It's not quite the same scenerio.

[Lord Satasn]

So which seems to be the fan favorite on these boards....the new xbox or new playstation?

 

I'm an xbox fan personally, and I'm pumped that the new xbox will be in 16.9 for our hdtv....

 

but Im kind of afraid of ur answers because it seems that everyone used ot hate xbox on these boards...