AlanC9 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "Who says Kreia's evil? She's just trying to get you to do the right thing and destroy the Force forever (still not sure how that's supposed to work, though)" I'm gonna believe this is sarcasm. OK, I'm being a little facetious. But doesn't she have a point? Wouldn't the ordinary people of the galaxy be better off without all these Force users running around?
Orchomene Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 In Kotor 1, it is so obvious, it reminds me some action movie where the villain says everything to the good guy. In Kotor 2, you have to look around to catch the story, it's a much better decision, I think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably answered your own question there <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sure, it was only a style figure question.
Volourn Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "But doesn't she have a point? Wouldn't the ordinary people of the galaxy be better off without all these Force users running around?" No. Why would they be? There would still be tyrants like Vader and the like wnating to dominate their 'lessers'. They'd just do it through convential means. Really, the Force is not the cause of wars whetehr people believe it or not. "but we like kreia DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "Who says Kreia's evil? She's just trying to get you to do the right thing and destroy the Force forever (still not sure how that's supposed to work, though)" I'm gonna believe this is sarcasm. OK, I'm being a little facetious. But doesn't she have a point? Wouldn't the ordinary people of the galaxy be better off without all these Force users running around? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> could get the same result with nihilus... gobble up all the force users. kreia was looking at big picture... she hated the force itself. the force as a quasi-sentient entity that controlled and altered events and people to achieve the suspect goal of balance. we agree that the galaxy would be better w/o the force, but kreia's motives seemed more... personal? she blamed her own downfall on the force, and she wanted payback... no matter the cost. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "but we like kreia "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Janson Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "So you actually really think that KotOR was less subtle?" Have I been so subtle you don't know the answer to that yet? Geez.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, you have said that KotOR1 was, in your opinion, more subtle. And I'm asking what makes you think that, considering that if KotOR2 hits you over the head with a hammer, in my opinion, KotOR1 must be hitting you over the head with a Star Destroyer.
Volourn Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "And I'm asking what makes you think that" That was not your question. Why say it was? DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "Whether Kreia was good or bad really wasn "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 It dosnt make any difference whether or not Kreia is evil, it's not important to how the story plays out. Kreia can be a lot less evil than the PC when it comes to dealing with situations. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 It dosnt make any difference whether or not Kreia is evil, it's not important to how the story plays out. Kreia can be a lot less evil than the PC when it comes to dealing with situations. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> again, not relevant as to the question of whether or not kreia is evil. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Janson Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 "And I'm asking what makes you think that" That was not your question. Why say it was? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you being deliberately obtuse, or am I not making myself clear? 1) I said that KotOR2's story was subtle 2) You said it wasn't, and that it was more akin to being hit over the head with a hammer 3) I say, nevertheless, it was still more subtle than KotOR1 4) You say, no, it wasn't 5) So I say, 'do you really think that KotOR1 is more subtle?' All I'm looking for is, 'yes or no', I'm not asking to be told that you've already made your opinion clear or any other beating around the bush. I'm just incredulous because I didn't think anyone could think that KotOR1 was more subtle.
Tsel Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 you may not have seen kreia's morality as the point, but it were the issue that vol and alan were debating. whether there is grey areas in force and morals not really change the issue much. It dosnt make any difference whether or not Kreia is evil, it's not important to how the story plays out. Kreia can be a lot less evil than the PC when it comes to dealing with situations. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> again, not relevant as to the question of whether or not kreia is evil. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But I say it is a point. :cool: I'm saying she was neutral in an other than straight forward way. Tsel :D
AlanC9 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 No. Why would they be? There would still be tyrants like Vader and the like wnating to dominate their 'lessers'. They'd just do it through convential means. Really, the Force is not the cause of wars whetehr people believe it or not. No, but the Force does seem to cause an awful lot of treason and betrayal. In the real world we don't have U.S. Army officers signing up with al-Qaeda, but the equivalent happens all the time with Jedi knights.
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 If Anakin was the child of the force and his destiny was to equalise it. Which he pretty much did by killing off all the Jedi not to mention the odd planet or two which got in the way of that. Then the force is responsible for conflict. But it depends on your point of your view. As Kreia says conflict is what makes us strong, peace makes us weak. Evolution is spurred on by conflict so a peaceful galaxy would stagnate. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
Gromnir Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 No. Why would they be? There would still be tyrants like Vader and the like wnating to dominate their 'lessers'. They'd just do it through convential means. Really, the Force is not the cause of wars whetehr people believe it or not. No, but the Force does seem to cause an awful lot of treason and betrayal. In the real world we don't have U.S. Army officers signing up with al-Qaeda, but the equivalent happens all the time with Jedi knights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the big difference, from kreia's point of view, is choice... free will. force users = force slaves. the force seeks balance.... and it bends and breaks people to achieve that end. how many aspiring tyrants has risen or fallen simply 'cause of the force's demand for some sorta metaphysical equilibrium? kreia, understandably did not enjoy being a pawn... a slave. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
AlanC9 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 The sad thing is, Kreia's not going to win. Isn't Anakin Skywalker the ultimate Force puppet?
ShadowPaladin V1.0 Posted March 8, 2005 Posted March 8, 2005 Isn't Anakin Skywalker the ultimate Force puppet? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> More like the ultimate force Muppet if EP I-III are anything to go by. I have to agree with Volourn. Bioware is pretty much dead now. Deals like this kills development studios. 478327[/snapback]
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