Open questions...

[Blacklotus]

Hi guys

 

I've just finished the game and as many of you it has left me pretty disappointed... most of the game experience, in my case, has been superb but when it comes to the last game play hours ...borfs...I've found the game to be way too linear as if it were rushing you to finish the game asap...

 

After searching a bit on the net I've found I'm not the only one...seen and signed the petition and read in this forum about the shameful sound files which proves that OE guys had prepared a far more terrifiying ending that somehow did not make it in the final release.... I don't blame on OE but LA instead, which I'm pretty sure has pushed the start up company to "finish" the game the christmass and Febraury launch probably due the upcoming Starwars EP3 movie...

 

Anyhow...after 53h of game play hours it's really frustating to find that not only there was planned a far more interesting ending but that also that there are a lot of gaps in the plot I still can't find the answer for...

 

To put things in context, I've played full on lightside and just taken the Handmaiden as jedi apprentice...

 

here are my questions (excuse if some names are not properly spelled )

 

1. What happens with the Captain which Kreia revives in Izziz (Onderon) to kill someone just as she did before with the wookie ? What the Captain did after being revived is completely unknown to me...

 

2. Why does Mira pop up in Malachor V? in my case she justs fights the Wookie, wins, and....what? dies in the Temple colapse? returns to the Ebon hawk ? and above all, what is her purpose in showing up and HEADING deep into Malachor V ... ? just fighting the wookie ?

 

3. If the purpose of Kreia was to get rid of any kind of Force in the galaxy, why does she seem so happy when I defeated her at Malachor V even when it's so obvious that the Force still is there ? (Atris, the Handmaiden and the main char remain strong in the force at the end in my case and furthermore, she forsees the Handmaiden teaching others the way of the Force taking the place of Atris )

 

4. Why the heck does Carth ask me to tell something to Revan ? I was eagerly expecting to travel to the Unknown Regions after Malachor V due that conversation...but in the end, nothing.

 

5. What did happen to the Handmaiden and Bao-dur (in my case) when they fight the Sith in the Tombs of Dxun ? During converstations with them after that event, they told me that "something happened there" which made them "feel more calm, and at peace" and when I ask "What happened?" they simply say they will tell me later...but that never happens..

 

6. What happens to G0T0 and the Remote in Malachor V? They're supposed to wait there for my order to blow up the Temple but again....nothing. Which is really G0T0's agenda ? It's obvious to me he has its own plans...but they are never uncovered...

 

7. Why did T3 have the nav-comm voice-locked? This thread of the story ends for me after T3 fries HK 47 when he uncovers that at the Ebon hawk...also, weirdly enough, HK47 never mentions it thereafter...

 

8. Why does Kreia have such an interest in killing Mira by using the wookie ?

 

9. What happens with the rest of the crew after killing Kreia ? Besides the poor telling of Kreia regarding "the future" there is nothing more told...

 

10. Where does the Ebon hawk head to when you leave Malachor V ? To the credits screen ?

 

11. What about the HK47 story? Read in the forums there is something about an "HK factory planet" or something but, in my case, I can't remember him ever mentioning it...just a few comments in the early game about the assasin HKs that are trying to kill me but besides that...nothing else.

 

12. How the hell does the main char get ownership of the Ebon Hawk? Until the very end of the game, there is not a clear mention that it once belonged to Revan and even then, nobody makes clear how did the the main char get ownership of it?

 

13. Why are Kreia and the main char together at the very begining of the game? How did they meet ? No mention about that I can remember of ...

 

14. How comes that Kreia and Atris seem to friendly to each other after Kreia leaves the Party just after killing the Jedi Masters in Dantoinee ?

 

15. Even when it's so clear during the game that Kreia is not , to say the least, much stronger than the main char, how is possible that she's able to kill THREE Jedi masters in the jedi council of Dantoinee even when they're are getting ready to fight when she pops up in the council ?

 

well... the list goes on I think.... sorry I had to ask them or die

 

Thanks and excuse my english

[AlanC9]

Most of these are unanswerable --- see the thread about the cut ending

 

 

1. What happens with the Captain which Kreia revives in Izziz (Onderon) to kill someone just as she did before with the wookie ?  What the Captain did after being revived is completely unknown to me...

 

You can find him on the Ravager.

 

4. Why the heck does Carth ask me to tell something to Revan  ? I was eagerly expecting to travel to the Unknown Regions after Malachor V due that conversation...but in the end, nothing.

 

Wait for KotOR 3?

 

7. Why did T3 have the nav-comm voice-locked?  This thread of the story ends for me after T3 fries HK 47 when he uncovers that at the Ebon hawk...also, weirdly enough, HK47 never mentions it thereafter...

 

I'm guessing this was at Revan's orders, and T3 himself doesn't know, having purged that memory.

 

10. Where does the Ebon hawk head to when you leave Malachor V ?  To the credits screen ?

 

Kreia suggests you're going to the Unknown Regions, like Revan.

 

11. What about the HK47 story? Read in the forums there is something about an "HK factory planet" or something

 

Cut.

 

12.  How the hell does the main char get ownership of the Ebon Hawk?  Until the very end of the game, there is not a clear mention that it once belonged to Revan and even then, nobody makes clear how did the the main char get ownership of it?

 

13. Why are Kreia and the main char together at the very begining of the game? How did they meet ? No mention about that I can remember of ...

 

This was explained by T3, Kreia, and HK-50. The PC doesn't own the Hawk. After Revan got in trouble, T3 came back in the Hawk to find help (don't ask me when Kreia showed up). They showed up right when HK-50 was trying to kidnap the PC from the Harbinger.

[2DarkWolf2]

I think alot of these are good questions, and I'd like to know the answers to alot of them myself. But I think I can help you with these two

 

12. How the hell does the main char get ownership of the Ebon Hawk? Until the very end of the game, there is not a clear mention that it once belonged to Revan and even then, nobody makes clear how did the the main char get ownership of it?

 

13. Why are Kreia and the main char together at the very begining of the game? How did they meet ? No mention about that I can remember of ...

 

 

I beleive it's established that the PC was on the Harbinger, the republic ship that eventually docks at Peragus at the start of the game. It was attacked and the crew killed. The PC is the only survivor but you are unconscious or hurt. It was then that Kreia arrived in the Ebon Hawk and rescued you from the Harbinger, but then the Hawk itself was damaged. And T3 guided it to Peragus.

 

You then meet Kreia for the first time in the morgue when she wakes up.

 

Assuming I have that right, the real question is how did KREIA get the Ebon Hawk. In a way, it's her ship. I've only played the game once, starting it over now, but I'm pretty sure this is what they tell you.

 

2DW2

[bob_the_kitty_hunter]

1. You find out that he's working for Nihilus on the Telos/Ravager scene. His face is all sith-like, and you can kill him, or get him to work for you (influence loss with Mandalore).

 

2. Mira (speculation) follows the Ebon Hawk, which has the Exile, Remote, HK-47, and T3 to help pilot, and G0-T0 follows as well, and tries to find the Exile. After killing Hanharr, sees the fixed Ebon Hawk that T3 had fixed up, and helps track down the Exile. Possible that Bao-dur went with the Exile as well.

 

3. She's happy because she sees that because you have surpassed her, you have become a weapon against the Sith greater than anything she could have created. She planned on using you to destroy the force and in turn destroy the True Sith, but when she failed that (twice, since Revan was probably also a weapon, thrice actually, when you include her Sith apprentices) she saw that you with the force alive was still as good of a weapon afterall.

 

4. Because Carth KNOWS that you're going to go and find Revan in the end. And that's what the Exile does. S/he leaves to the Outer Rim and seeks out Revan.

 

5. Shouldn't that be obvious? They are both force sensitives, and they are more so because of their contact with the Exile, which is why they can become your padawans. The tomb is of Freedon Nadd, who happens to have been a very powerful Sith, and the Sith energy still tainted the tomb, thus Bao-dur and Handmaiden felt it and were disturbed and affected by it.

 

6. Goto dies in the end with the planet (I'm assuming). G0-T0 tries to prevent that from occuring by freezing Remote and just letting the order pass by. In a cut part HK-47 + Goto's HK-50s, who in turn side with their original, deactivate Goto and let Remote do his duty.

 

7. T3 didn't, Revan did. Revan left everyone he was close to, took T3 and HK with him to the Outer Rim on the Ebon Hawk, disabled HK, locked him up, locked the navi-computer so no one would find out where s/he would go, ordered T3 to mind-whipe himself, and sent T3 back with the Ebon Hawk, while Revan continues his/her journey.

 

8. Because you can train Mira into a Jedi, she's close to the Exile (somewhat), Kreia wanted to see what Mira would do in the end, give Hanharr mercy or kill him, and she needed to prevent Mira from catching up with the Exile.

 

9. Either they were all left back at Telos (minus Mira, Goto, Remote, T3, most likely HK, and possibly Bao-dur), or to go with the cut ending stuff, came with the Exile, but were stopped by Kreia after the crash and disabled, while the Exile went alone. Then they went off with their own stories depending on gender, influence, and alignment.

 

10. The Outer Rim, obviously. That's the big strange formation of orangey cloudy stuff stands for.

 

11. Cut-from-game'd.

 

12. The Exile never owns it. Revan sends T3 to find "help" with the Ebon Hawk, it gets "caught" by the Harbinger, Kreia gets on, HK-50 gets on and gets locked up, but only after drugging and dragging the Exile onto the Ebon Hawk, Kreia possibly stopped the HK unit, and placed the Exile in the Medical Bay, then she gets knocked out when the Ebon Hawk somehow leaves the Harbinger, T3 is reactivated, fixes the Ebon Hawk and takes it to Peragus...

 

13. Exile and Kreia were taken off the Ebon Hawk by the Peragus people, Kreia's is assumed dead and left in the morgue. The Exile is placed in the koto tank, and the HK-50 tries to kill not only the Exile, but everyone else on the place, using the mining droids and poison. Kreia awakes the Exile through the force, and so forth.

 

14. They aren't, Atris has just nearly fallen, and is breaking apart, Kreia merely steps in to fully break her, and put her as a test for the Exile.

 

15. She's a Sith Lord, and the Jedi Masters had long become weakened. The Exile couldn't stop her for some reason or another, and Kreia was probably always stronger than him/her. It's just that after the Exile awakens, s/he is much stronger, and when s/he absorbs Nihilus' energies, becomes that much more powerful.

 

No offense, but you REALLY should have figured out about a third of these.

 

EDIT: I'd like to know how Kreia got on the ship as well, but it's certainly not hers. She most likely just snuck on the Harbinger, was planning to awaken the Exile right there, but was stopped by the HK, and began following the HK unit onto the Ebon Hawk, and then some.

[Blacklotus]

1. You find out that he's working for Nihilus on the Telos/Ravager scene. His face is all sith-like, and you can kill him, or get him to work for you (influence loss with Mandalore).

Somehow I did miss that conversation, I'll replay that scene to see if I can find him...

2. Mira (speculation) follows the Ebon Hawk, which has the Exile, Remote, HK-47, and T3 to help pilot, and G0-T0 follows as well, and tries to find the Exile. After killing Hanharr, sees the fixed Ebon Hawk that T3 had fixed up, and helps track down the Exile. Possible that Bao-dur went with the Exile as well.

yes, but as you say that's speculation.

 

3. She's happy because she sees that because you have surpassed her, you have become a weapon against the Sith greater than anything she could have created. She planned on using you to destroy the force and in turn destroy the True Sith, but when she failed that (twice, since Revan was probably also a weapon, thrice actually, when you include her Sith apprentices) she saw that you with the force alive was still as good of a weapon afterall.

Agree, but from my point of view I think she should'nt be that happy seeing how has not accomplished her main goal, getting rid of any kind of force, Sith or Jedi.

4. Because Carth KNOWS that you're going to go and find Revan in the end. And that's what the Exile does. S/he leaves to the Outer Rim and seeks out Revan.

That's obvious. What I really meant with that question is that I saw no point in Carth asking that if you were not going to see Revan in kotor2...other than, of course, getting ready the ground for kotor3

5. Shouldn't that be obvious? They are both force sensitives, and they are more so because of their contact with the Exile, which is why they can become your padawans. The tomb is of Freedon Nadd, who happens to have been a very powerful Sith, and the Sith energy still tainted the tomb, thus Bao-dur and Handmaiden felt it and were disturbed and affected by it.

Again speculation. I know that, but to me it's more obvious that this story thread is somehow bugged/cut as until the very end of the game, at least in my case (that's why I asked) I could keep asking them what happened and they kept telling me they would tell me later, which never happened.

 

7. T3 didn't, Revan did. Revan left everyone he was close to, took T3 and HK with him to the Outer Rim on the Ebon Hawk, disabled HK, locked him up, locked the navi-computer so no one would find out where s/he would go, ordered T3 to mind-whipe himself, and sent T3 back with the Ebon Hawk, while Revan continues his/her journey.

Good point.

8. Because you can train Mira into a Jedi, she's close to the Exile (somewhat), Kreia wanted to see what Mira would do in the end, give Hanharr mercy or kill him, and she needed to prevent Mira from catching up with the Exile.

It could be so, but at no moment in the story has been mentioned a clear reason for which Kreai would want to have Mira dead. Besides that, you can also train Atton into a Jedi, a fool Jedi from Kreia's pov, but in the end he'd be someone trained in the Force and if that were there reason, don't you think Kreia should had also planned something for Atton ?

Anyhow, in my case I did not train either of them into the Force, so that would not make sense in my game.

 

9. Either they were all left back at Telos (minus Mira, Goto, Remote, T3, most likely HK, and possibly Bao-dur), or to go with the cut ending stuff, came with the Exile, but were stopped by Kreia after the crash and disabled, while the Exile went alone. Then they went off with their own stories depending on gender, influence, and alignment.

more spec...

[Blacklotus]

10. The Outer Rim, obviously. That's the big strange formation of orangey cloudy stuff stands for.

It would had been more obvious if the Ebon hawk had landed anywhere.

 

12. The Exile never owns it. Revan sends T3 to find "help" with the Ebon Hawk, it gets "caught" by the Harbinger, Kreia gets on, HK-50 gets on and gets locked up, but only after drugging and dragging the Exile onto the Ebon Hawk, Kreia possibly stopped the HK unit, and placed the Exile in the Medical Bay, then she gets knocked out when the Ebon Hawk somehow leaves the Harbinger, T3 is reactivated, fixes the Ebon Hawk and takes it to Peragus...

 

13. Exile and Kreia were taken off the Ebon Hawk by the Peragus people, Kreia's is assumed dead and left in the morgue. The Exile is placed in the koto tank, and the HK-50 tries to kill not only the Exile, but everyone else on the place, using the mining droids and poison. Kreia awakes the Exile through the force, and so forth.

 

True. I forgot completely about that when I was asking.

 

14. They aren't, Atris has just nearly fallen, and is breaking apart, Kreia merely steps in to fully break her, and put her as a test for the Exile.

Yes, Kreia says that in the last scene, but if you stick only to the cut-scene where Atris and Kreia are talking they seem to me as if they were running a plan together, as if they where, somehow, "friends" as there is no previous discussion or something betweem them

 

15. She's a Sith Lord, and the Jedi Masters had long become weakened. The Exile couldn't stop her for some reason or another, and Kreia was probably always stronger than him/her. It's just that after the Exile awakens, s/he is much stronger, and when s/he absorbs Nihilus' energies, becomes that much more powerful.

Common, she might get that powerful later by draining their energy, but it does not make any sense to me that she is able to confront at the same time three Jedi Master ready to fight which have proven themselves somehow powerful during the game (at least two of them) and kill them with a single shot... at least sounds weird.

 

No offense, but you REALLY should have figured out about a third of these.

No offense either dude, but you also should really have figured out that I already had figured out answers for most of the questions and that what I really was looking for were facts, not speculations anyhow they are welcome, you've made some good points

 

Thanks!

[Zilod]

For Kreia's questions there is a long 3D in this forum, there are a lot of theories and ideas about her.

the 3D is named Kreia's goals if i remember right and probably is around page 5 or 6

 

ther's another 3D named Kreia history that try to speculate a bit about what she have done before TSL, there are some ideas too there but probably you will find more usefull the first one i suggested.

[Blacklotus]

For Kreia's questions there is a long 3D in this forum, there are a lot of theories and ideas about her.

Thank you, I'll check them now

[jedipodo]

Most people here who claim to know all the answers are speculating. There is nothing wrong with this, but the shame is, that many of them don't realize it.

[bob_the_kitty_hunter]

No offense either dude, but you also should really have figured out that I already had figured out answers for most of the questions and that what I really was looking for were facts, not speculations  anyhow they are welcome, you've made some good points

Feh. My Bawls need to be drunken.

 

As for #10, I think that if it landed somewherez, it would've been worse.

[Blacklotus]

As for #10, I think that if it landed somewherez, it would've been worse.

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hehe...yes, seeing how they have handled the rest, probably it's better as it is

[bob_the_kitty_hunter]

I mean, considering that there were a gabajillion little hints about the fact that the Exile is planning to leave to the Outer Rim, a landing wouldn't necessarily had been required.

[Planeforger]

I've got a question - did they ever explain how the Jedi Enclave was rebuilt? And if whoever it was who rebuilt it was going to go to the trouble of rebuilding it, why didn't they repair the collapsed tunnels as well?