Classes and Skills

[JamieKirby]

Hello,

 

Well, i ain't sure if the skill points you get per level stack onto what you get as you evolve into the Advanced Class of your choice, considering the feats stack and the force powers do also, it would be logical for the skill points to stack as well

 

you know what i mean?

 

16 Intelligence = 24 skill points at level 1 Sentinel and you will get 6 skill points per level after that.

 

That is enough to fill up your class skills each level up, but if you went onto Sith Assassin or Jedi Watchman, which i think gets you 6 skill points per level as well, i think they should stack up. (Sentinel + Watchman skills = 12 per level)

 

I am just saying, if the feats you get as a Sentinel (the immunity ones) still stay in effect when you become the Prestige class Jedi, the skill points should too.

 

anyone know what i am saying?

 

Please post your opinions on this. (but if you are just gonna bitch about it would make it too easy, even though alot of you claim it is too easy anyway, just don't say anything at all)

 

This is just something i don't know.....does the skill points from say a Sentinel and a Watchman or Sith Assassin stack up? (you know 6+6 = 12 ?)

[BattleCookiee]

They don't

Got a prestige (from sentinel to assasin) and kept my 4 skill points (10 int)

[JamieKirby]

now that just doesn't make sense and totally unrealistic.

 

If the skills don't stack, then the class specific feats and force powers shouldn't.

 

thats something they gotta fix for Kotor III.

 

I just find it really stupid for several features.

 

for example:

 

Skills = you can skip

 

feats = you can't skip

 

force powers = you can't skip

 

now it would be far more realistic if you could skip using a feat and use it when you want to and the same for force powers.

 

Also, considering as a Sentinel, you get the immunity feats and when you switch to the Prestige class, you still USE those Sentinel Specific feats on a non-sentinel class, while your skill points don't stack over to your prestige class when you advance to it. (totally dumb)

 

anyone agree?

[AlanC9]

That is enough to fill up your class skills each level up, but if you went onto Sith Assassin or Jedi Watchman, which i think gets you 6 skill points per level as well, i think they should stack up. (Sentinel + Watchman skills = 12 per level)

 

This is completely illogical. Why should you gain skill points as if you'd gained levels in two different classes? You're only gaining one level.

 

Skill points do stack. You add the new skill points onto the ones you already had.

[JamieKirby]

i mean per level up.

 

If you keep the feats (class specific feats) you get as the class before, you should still keep getting the skill points per level as well as the skill points per level on the second class.

 

Just my opinion.

[Kayn]

You can skip the skill for a simple reason... Cross Class skill...

 

It's a "cheat" to stack SP to use in future... (Like Soldier in KotOR I, that stack point to use them after the Jedi classing to boost Persuade...)

 

In P'n'P you must allocate every SP, those you don't are lost...

 

Sadly in Computer Version, you cant allocate half point, like in P'n'P...

[JamieKirby]

blimey, thats pretty badly done.

[Reveilled]

Nope, that's the way it should be done. Think about real life. If I spend a year working on academic studies, I would be spending my time developing skills in those academic areas. If I then spent a year concentrating on athletic pusuits, I would have less time to work on those skills. Thus, in that year, I would be fitter, but I wouldn't have continued to develop my skills at the same rate.

 

So, if we translate this into the game, Let's say in that first year I gained a level as a Tech Specialist and in the second I gained one as a Soldier. In the first year, since I am concentrating on my skills, I get 6 skill points because I am working on developing six skills. In the second year, because I am focusing on something else, I only have time to work on two skills. So, I gain another two points. Gaining eight points that level would make no sense, because even when I was devoting all my energy to skills, I only gained six, so I should not gain eight when I am not even concentrating on learning skills.

 

If by stack, you meant that the total ranks should stack, then that is how it works. If I put my six points in six skills, and then my two points in two of those skills, then they would stack in that two of my skills would have two points in them.

 

As to the feats and powers, well, they work in much the same way. A Sentinel has immunity to stun, and if they become a watchamn/assassin, they keep that ability. What's so unusual about that? After all, it's not like when they start doing something else they would forget how to do everything they already knew how to do. When one studies English, one does not forget how to do the Maths they already learned (provided they keep using it, of course), but they don't get any better at Maths.

[AlanC9]

i mean per level up.

 

If you keep the feats (class specific feats) you get as the class before, you should still keep getting the skill points per level as well as the skill points per level on the second class.

 

Just my opinion.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

OK, it's your opinion. But it's still idiotic.

 

You keep the feats you were awarded on previous levels. You keep the skill points too. No difference.

 

You're requesting that skills work differently from feats. You want each new level to count as levels in both classes for purposes of adding skill points. Feats don't work like that. Why should skills?

[anakins revenge]

i still dont understand the points system for skills and attributes and how theyre tied, i know the basic stuff but normally i just put points and attributes into things ill need

[Darth Frog]

i mean per level up.

 

If you keep the feats (class specific feats) you get as the class before, you should still keep getting the skill points per level as well as the skill points per level on the second class.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

As the others have already pointed out, the skill points, feats, powers and boni are determined by which class you are levelling up in. If you add a Sentinel level then you get the Sentinel benefits, if you add a Watchman level you get the Watchman benefits.

 

Skill points are a bit of an oddity in that you can save them for later, so that you can collect skill points while levelling up in one class and later spend the saved skill points while levelling up in another class (which may have other class skills) or after taking one of the cross-class skill feats. Still, the amount of skill points you get when taking a level is fully determined by which class you level up (and your natural INT).

 

Of course, in KotOR you cannot choose which class to level up - once you have chosen a prestige class you can only advance in that prestige class. Contrast this to other d20 games - like e.g. Neverwinter Nights - where you can multi-class more or less freely and at level-up you decide which of your classes to advance or which new class to pick. But you still advance in only one class at one time.

 

KotOR does not allow free multi-classing but on the other hand it allows you to pick your feats from any of your classes, not only the one you're currently levelling up. This is a bit odd but I think it's a good trade-off.

[RJMcCaig]

I am just saying, if the feats you get as a Sentinel (the immunity ones) still stay in effect when you become the Prestige class Jedi, the skill points should too.

 

anyone know what i am saying?

 

The trouble is you're confusing ends with means. You don't lose the ranks in skills you purchased in your basic class but the number of points available to buy more ranks may change when you take a prestige class.

 

Likewise the feats and powers you selected in your basic class don't disappear when you take a prestige class, but the number of feats and powers available to you each level may change.

 

For your analogy to be correct a (for example) Sentinel turned Watchman would need to get two powers every level (because a Sentinel gets a power every level and a Watchman gets a power every level). That isn't the case so why should it be different for skill points?