Kreia's goal?

[Zilod]

Well that is the problem, I also view the force as something that is a tool but some autors disagree and show the Force with intent, like George Lucas with that "balance to the force" and "will of the Force" thing.

 

Of course things deep down goes to points of view and what people belive to be true, I know that the NJO goes more that a bit into "there is no Dark Side" and a reasoning that the Dark Side of the Force is caused by people being good and evil ... naturaly that contradicts with a lot that been done by other autors.

 

I think in TSL case people are just taking things too literaly and assume things some characters say to be true.

 

Lets look at the Exile being a "wound in the Force", now he uses the force and its not something that can be stolen with that ease (only thing that I remenber able to do something like that is Marka Ragnos Staff) but not being present in the Force also means nothing in relation to be able to use it, after all a Vorg is using it.

 

Perhaps the Exile simple is cut from the Force in a way that he no longer can be seen as a Force user and have a force presence but still be able to manipulate it and be a part of it (its being affected by it after all) but what can be said ... making him Vorg like would make him unaffected by most Force powers and so not a good idea from a balance point of view to the combat system and naturaly giving the plot away the moment players see their character cannot be affected by Force powers.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Yes at some point probably is most a matter of taste, i have too some things in EU that i don't "accept" too much and i think are a bit out of context.

 

In my case i liked the game, how it present the force, i expecially liked the idea of an hero that is that for his humanity instead for his power.

I really think that this centrality of man is incredible for a game, expecially if is in SW universe, where, just to say, even Han Solo become a strong force sensitive in EU, as his actions during the first trilogy where not enought to make him a real hero, but was needed a strong link to the force to give him "nobility".

 

Said that i chose to take literaly what the chars in TSL say, mostly because i think i liked it () and because they where alredy near to my vision of the force and of heroes in SW.

 

For sure if someone see the force as just a tool, he will be more chritic on what is said in TSL, and probably will motivate what happens in a different way than me.

 

About the Exile and the wound in the force thing, my opinion is that he is a real hole in the force, and to some degree immune to some force powers (as we see that he is immune to Darth Nihilus draining power), but he is still able to focus the force around him, as said instead of to draw the force inside him he draw it from the world itself.

I think that this is very near to my original vision (first one i had looking the movies) of it, when Ben tells to like that the force is a field that surround and flows in all the things, and when Yoda makes Luke feel the force around him, expecially in the stones he is lifting.

 

The thing to consume the force, seemed a bit strange to me, but still make sense the way is presented (at least it made sense for me), it also seem a very rare thing that can happen just in some circustances so pretty rare in SW.

Again i think to the force as a sort of energy, so the fact that it could be consumed is not so strange.

 

I heard of some people speaking of little "microbs" inside our body, that talk to us, Midichlorians (?) i think they are called, and it seem that are these Midimicrobs that gives the force, with this theory, the things we have in the game where difficult to explain, and probably to do an hole in the force the exile had to get a lot of antibiotichs....

Anyway i don't remember to hear or saw such things, i saw all the movies, but i really can't remember anything like that, even if PM had a lot of interferences when i saw it...

[Zilod]

Thanks Trom, i grab the compliments as i think will do everyone have posted in this 3D

 

On Kreia motivations....

 

Her main goals in my opinion are 2, to save the galaxy from the destruction of Nihilus (and other echoes/sith lords)

 

and to free the humanity from the Force will.

 

I think we must see Kreia as a "human" character, not a steretipe as it could be Nihilus, she is not just evil big bad guy.

During the game i had the impression that she really care about life in her own way, she have no problems to kill someone if is necessary for her goals, but she don't like the "free murdering or assassination".

I think she have the life in a high account, that can not necessary be the life of an individual, that can't be important at all if weak, but i think more the life itself as a whole, in a very cinical vision.

 

 

she want to free the humanity from the enslavement, using an example, someone that can live and be complete whitout the force.

I think that what it moves her intent here is the hate, for all the life she gathered knowledge, trying to understand the force, and when she reached that knowledge he realized that all of that was a sort of illusion.

All the things that she belived in, as a jedi first and as a sith later where false, she saw the force as something that move the life as a puppet that prevent to humans to realize their true potential.

She see that the force is using her to achieve it's goal, and she have not the strenght to break her bounds.

 

It can be that there is also a sort of illuministic super human theory that move her, with the man that is a sort of god in the center of the universe, but i prefer to stay mostly with the hate reason, even if i'm sure she knows the real potential of mankind

 

note: when i speak about humanity and mankind i think that as the sentient life, so of all the races as SW have many of them.

 

 

about the quote of Obsidian's CEO

i think he is just saying that the story is very different from KOTOR1.... there all was based on the big twist that was the central point of the story.

for TSL the thing is really different, as said above i see it mostly as a path of enlightment, so many steps in a direction that will build the story, that will give centrality and counsciosness to the main character (and to us).

I really don't think that he is not happy about it, just that they are very different.

 

 

and here one of my fav quotes from the game.... is a thing that Kreia say to the Exile in the end, but to a degree a thing that devs are saying to us....

 

 

Kreia: Peraphs you where expecting some surprises, to me to reveal some secret that eluded you, something that will change the perception of the events, shattering to your core...

 

Kreia: There is no great revelation, no great secret, there is only you.

[DarthNihilus]

..and the answer...I decided to make a new one

As I see it

 

Kreia wanted to create a Champion...a NEW breed among the Force users...let me explain before you all flame me

 

We have a clear differentiation..Jedi and Sith...Jedi have their code(Peace-Knowledge-Serenity-Harmony-Force) and Sith theirs(Passion-Strenght-Power-Vicory-Chains are broken). So..Jedi use peace of mind while Sith use feelings to "fuel" the Force/Power

 

Now...Jedis are flawed because of their teachings and because of how they use it. Sith are flawed as well since they desire complete supremacy.

 

Kreia saw that and saw that too many Jedis BECAUSE of the flawed Code ignored the will of the Council(who was too arrogant and egocentristic to be perfect and also those 2 before are the way to the Dark Side) and left to fight alongside Revan or joined the Sith.

 

Now we have ALL Jedi Champions(Revan,Malak,Exile,Bastila just to name a few and widely known) who go and fight in the Mandalorian wars(not Bastila but she will join Revan anyway)..ALL the best of the Jedi students...the best of all that Jedis had to offer...and ALL fall so utterly. THus the TEACHING MUST have been flawed.

 

Kreia saw that and because of her position as Librarian she could document further and eventually questioned the Council which instead of looking where is the flaw they decided to exile her(very common decision for a Council that was supposed to be impartial and look for the greater good);now..the Council`s decision was the worst possible one since IF they would`ve revised their Code/way instead of exiling all that weren`t in agreement with it/the "might" of the Jedi Council many Jedis would`ve been saved.

 

Kreia goes in search for the knowledge since she is somewhat a explorer...she goes to the Sith where eventually she is stripped of her power.

 

Revan returned to her for teaching right before he left for the Outer Rim and I suspect Revan too understood that neither Jedi or Sith way is the right one and gone to find the PERFECT Code.

 

Kreia has too many issues from the past AND she can feel the Force no more

______________

 

Also after Malachor 5 there were a series of events:

1.Sion and Nihilus were created

2.Nihilus is on a killing spree across the Galaxy

3.Kreia is betrayed by Nihilus and Sion thus:

 

ANY event that was created on Malachor 5 must be destroyed/counteracted hence:

 

1.Sion must die - he was created by Malachor 5 and he betrayed Kreia

2.Nihilus must die - he was created at Malachor 5 and betrayed Kreia AND he feeds on anything that is alive

3.KREIA must die - she was Revan`s Master,Revan started Malachor 5(The General - Exile was following Revan`s plan which HK says it was to "clean house")

4.Atris must NOT train padawans since she is DS for a long time but she doesn`t know it

5.The Council members who exiled the General MUST die because they are DS as well(Jedi way is to forgive not exile the ones that commit mistakes and show them the right/good way)

 

So The Exile is Kreia`s Champion used to fulfill her wishes. He is unique,he regained his full Force(yes after careful thinking I agree he reestablished his connection with the Force since he is the ONLY one who separated from it voluntarily) and he MUST be the one who will bring balance to the Force

 

This contradicts what Kreia said that "she wants the Force dead" but...

1.Kreia emphasises on CHOICE...she teaches the Exile how to make the RIGHT choices regardless of the dogma(Jedi or Sith)...the choices that are most beneficial to the Force

2.She is teaching him to be a second Revan or more powerful

SIDENOTE:When she says about the Exile "When I see you is like staring at the death of the Force" it`s possible that she sees the scars MAlachor 5 did to him..that seems to be correlated to Visas`s saying "I saw your hurted soul" or something(if anyone has the right line please PM me)

3.She is teaching him to BEND Force`s WILL(Kreia: "A dead spot in teh Force.Apoint in which its will may be denied")

 

and ultimately she teaches him to follow Revan`s search for the ultimate truth or in his crusade against or for the "True Sith" (Kreia: "He shall need warriors.Jedi or Sith.Perhaps you should go and help him")...The Leader and The General once again united...

 

EDIT:I believe she is tryig to unite Sith and Jedi under a new Code,one Code that would TRULY represent the Force;she wanted to be a pioneer,and a Galaxy saver by negating what Malachor 5 brought..chaos and extinction of all Jedis

All she did was to be a worthy Master to a padawan(Exile) and strenghten him to what he has to confront/fight/face

[jedipodo]

I'd just like one of the devs to tell me with a straight face that he/she has a clear understanding of Kreia.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Yes, indeed, that would be very interesting.

[Azr1el]

Having realised the threat of the True Sith was out there, I daresay Kreia surmised that because these were the Real Deal:

 

1) the Jedi couldn't stop them because the 'True Sith' were too strong in the dark side and

 

2) the Sith couldn't stop them because the Sith would be driven by the Force to serve the True Sith.

 

So she trained Revan to be as focussed within himself as he could be, gave him a clear purpose and a clear goal, to defy the Dark Side while using its' strength and create a strong, powerful galaxy that could fight them. So far so good. That went awry when Malak - who had recieved none of Kreia's self-determination classes - betrayed Revan, but by the end of things, at least Revan had been salvaged. Remembering his purpose, off he goes to uncover this threat of the True Sith.

 

The second part of Kreia's plan - to use Malachor V as a training ground to create those who could 'drain' the Force, the Sith Assassins you meet who become strong when fighting those strong in the Force. These are the 'secret weapon' against the True Sith.

 

But she is unseated when Darth Nihilus (who is either a man who completely mastered this technique or a spectre who is the embodiment of it, people are still wondering about this) drained her of her power and her apprentice, Darth Sion - who had totally flunked Kreia's self-determination courses - cast her out. The Sith Assassins are turned towards destroying Jedi and Kreia's plans are in tatters.

 

So she becomes nothing but a beggar, knowing that the end is coming but unable to really do anything about it or regain her position, until she meets the Exile, Linked to him, she regains her power as he does, and she tries to train him to be able to defeat Nihilus, allowing her to retake Trayus Academy and get her plans back on track.

 

But eventually, she overhears what the Council have figured out, and what she never actually realised - that the Exile is not just a Jedi, but could be the death of the Force. More, he is proof that without the Force, the galaxy can survive.

 

Bingo... all her teachings, all her beliefs and all her plans are suddenly changed by this. If she can break the Exile to her will, she will then have a weapon that can destroy the Force forever - allowing the galaxy to find its' own destiny, and ending the threat of the True Sith - for without the Force, what kind of a threat can they be?

 

And, if he truly proves strong enough to defeat her, then he has come so far that even she cannot subdue him - which makes him not just a weapon in her hands, but a free man who could yet turn things around. In this case, Kreia will just have to have faith - not in the Force, but in the Exile himself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

 

That "True Sith" reminds me of a dialogue in KoTOR1 when Revan goes to the Sith Academy in Korriban and gets a history lesson from the girl in charge of training (sorry, can't remember the character's name).

 

She's mentioning the "Sith'ary" (sorry for the bad spelling) - the perfect Sith that's going to destroy all Siths.

 

Do you think that the True Sith and the Sith'ary are the same thing?

 

(That would be an interesting idea for KoTOR3...)

[DarthNihilus]

"But she is unseated when Darth Nihilus (who is either a man who completely mastered this technique or a spectre who is the embodiment of it, people are still wondering about this)"

 

Visas says she saw "a graveyard" thus we may assume he WAS a human being originated at Malachor 5 and now more of a specter who feeds on souls and the very LIFE ...

 

IMO

[random evil guy]

two things:

 

1.it was said the exile fed on excess force. the left overs so to speak. i don't think he feeds on others, like nihilus did...

2.if he feeds on other force sensitives; why the hell did all of the npcs become stronger as time passed in the game...?

[Zilod]

That "True Sith" reminds me of a dialogue in KoTOR1 when Revan goes to the Sith Academy in Korriban and gets a history lesson from the girl in charge of training (sorry, can't remember the character's name).

 

She's mentioning the "Sith'ary" (sorry for the bad spelling) - the perfect Sith that's going to destroy all Siths.

 

Do you think that the True Sith and the Sith'ary are the same thing?

 

(That would be an interesting idea for KoTOR3...)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

If i remember right that Sith'ary was not a DS but a behing that commanded the force or master both LS and DS or something like that (can't remember .p)

 

when i played KOTOR i had the impression she where referring to Revan and i still think is quite probable he is the main candidate....

 

also after TSL i think that even the Exile and Kreia can be considered like that.

 

as i see her, Kreia have the "Knowledge" and the power of the force, all the force, but still she is under her "control"

 

the Exile is free, but he lack the knowledge and also i think he is something different, superior to that Sith'ary, even if indeed he is probably the only one among the 3 that can control the force whitout be controlled by it.

 

is also quite probable that at the end of KOTOR3 everyone of them can be considered the destroyer of the siths.

[DarthNihilus]

OFFTOPIC:

 

We can assume Revan is gone to find that Sith`ary ...

And Exile has the KNOWLEDGE and the Power of the Force since after he defeats Kreia "His training is complete"

 

Although I don`t remember that she taught him that drain she used so sweet on the 3 Jedi Masters on Dantooine

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

OFFTOPIC:

 

We can assume Revan is gone to find that Sith`ary ...

And Exile has the KNOWLEDGE and the Power of the Force since after he defeats Kreia "His training is complete"

 

Although I don`t remember that she taught him that drain she used so sweet on the 3 Jedi Masters on Dantooine

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Play DS and kill them yourself or just kill them anyway Vrook just had to die he was such an arse. Thats not a power you are taught it's a power of instinct (bit like a lesser version of what N has).

[Zilod]

Yup i agree the exile doesn't know that power, and probably have no way to know it, as he can't be consumed.

 

Also i don't think the Exile have even 1/10 of Kreia knowledge about the force.

His training is complete because he know what he is and represent (imo not a second Revan but a real Man), and this is different from raw force knowledge or power.

 

Also considering how she almost killed you (if you kill the council), i can guess that she is holding back even in the final combat... she knows she have to be destroyed.

[Zilod]

..and the answer...I decided to make a new one

As I see it

 

Kreia wanted to create a Champion...a NEW breed among the Force users...let me explain before you all flame me

mmm i don't agree too much but let's go on eheh

 

We have a clear differentiation..Jedi and Sith...Jedi have their code(Peace-Knowledge-Serenity-Harmony-Force) and Sith theirs(Passion-Strenght-Power-Vicory-Chains are broken). So..Jedi use peace of mind while Sith use feelings to "fuel" the Force/Power

 

Now...Jedis are flawed because of their teachings and because of how they use it. Sith are flawed as well since they desire complete supremacy.

 

Kreia saw that and saw that too many Jedis BECAUSE of the flawed Code ignored the will of the Council(who was too arrogant and egocentristic to be perfect and also those 2 before are the way to the Dark Side) and left to fight alongside Revan or joined the Sith.

 

Now we have ALL Jedi Champions(Revan,Malak,Exile,Bastila just to name a few and widely known) who go and fight in the Mandalorian wars(not Bastila but she will join Revan anyway)..ALL the best of the Jedi students...the best of all that Jedis had to offer...and ALL fall so utterly. THus the TEACHING MUST have been flawed.

Is Revan that join Bastila after he was captured, also consider that the Exile was a so and so jedi at that time, yes many jedis followed Revan in the war, but probably many promising students (like Bastila) followed the council will.

 

Kreia saw that and because of her position as Librarian she could document further and eventually questioned the Council which instead of looking where is the flaw they decided to exile her(very common decision for a Council that was supposed to be impartial and look for the greater good);now..the Council`s decision was the worst possible one since IF they would`ve revised their Code/way instead of exiling all that weren`t in agreement with it/the "might" of the Jedi Council many Jedis would`ve been saved.

Is Kreia that is questioned, also they are still jedi not sith, i really don't think they will exile someone because she tell them that they have failed as teacher, consider also that Kreia have not done a better job with Revan as he was the leader of dissident jedis.

 

 

Kreia goes in search for the knowledge since she is somewhat a explorer...she goes to the Sith where eventually she is stripped of her power.

 

Revan returned to her for teaching right before he left for the Outer Rim and I suspect Revan too understood that neither Jedi or Sith way is the right one and gone to find the PERFECT Code.

 

Kreia has too many issues from the past AND she can feel the Force no more

______________

 

Also after Malachor 5 there were a series of events:

1.Sion and Nihilus were created

2.Nihilus is on a killing spree across the Galaxy

3.Kreia is betrayed by Nihilus and Sion  thus:

 

ANY event that was created on Malachor 5 must be destroyed/counteracted hence:

 

1.Sion must die - he was created by Malachor 5 and he betrayed Kreia

2.Nihilus must die - he was created at Malachor 5 and betrayed Kreia AND he feeds on anything that is alive

3.KREIA must die - she was Revan`s Master,Revan started Malachor 5(The General - Exile was following Revan`s plan which HK says it was to "clean house")

I think Revan wanted Malachor 5 to "corrupt" his troops, but what happened there i think was not intented, i'm more inclined to consider the Exile as the creator of Malachor V or at least of what we consider it in this thread.

 

4.Atris must NOT train padawans since she is DS for a long time but she doesn`t know it

 

5.The Council members who exiled the General MUST die because they are DS as well(Jedi way is to forgive not exile the ones that commit mistakes and show them the right/good way)

Kreia tells that she really doesn't wanted the council dead, she want to avenge but to kill them, i think that if they had understood what the Exile was she had spared their life.

 

So The Exile is Kreia`s Champion used to fulfill her wishes. He is unique,he regained his full Force(yes after careful thinking I agree he reestablished his connection with the Force since he is the ONLY one who separated from it voluntarily) and he MUST be the one who will bring balance to the Force

Kreia doesn't want balance, she says it in her final dialogue, he is not a sort of chosen like Anakin, he made his choice and that made him different.

As said in other post i see him more as an example of a life whitout the force more than a powerfull force user like Revan

 

I even don't agree too much about "to fulfill her wishes"

I think that Kreia manipulated him to a degree, but also everything she have done was for him.

She makes him kill her ancient enemies and expecially darth Nihilus who is a threat for the galaxy, but these enemies where also Exile's ones

All the things that she do is for the benefits of the exile, to make him grow up and understand what he represent.

 

 

This contradicts what Kreia said that "she wants the Force dead" but...

1.Kreia emphasises on CHOICE...she teaches the Exile how to make the RIGHT choices regardless of the dogma(Jedi or Sith)...the choices that are most beneficial to the Force

As i see it the choice was alredy done,

 

2.She is teaching him to be a second Revan or more powerful

SIDENOTE:When she says about the Exile "When I see you is like staring at the death of the Force" it`s possible that she sees the scars MAlachor 5 did to him..that seems to be correlated to Visas`s saying "I saw your hurted soul" or something(if anyone has the right line please PM me)

No no, the Exile is an hole in the force and he chose to be that, after his process of th enlightment he demonstrate that is it possible to be complete as a man, even whitout the force to sustain him.

 

for Visas you must consider that probably they share the same destiny, they are both "dead" from the force and, expecially at the beginning, they both feel to be "gimped".

 

3.She is teaching him to BEND Force`s WILL(Kreia: "A dead spot in teh Force.Apoint in which its will may be denied")

 

and ultimately she teaches him to follow Revan`s search for the ultimate truth or in his crusade against or for the "True Sith" (Kreia: "He shall need warriors.Jedi or Sith.Perhaps you should go and help him")...The Leader and The General once again united...

Kreia at the end gives to the exile 3 choices, she hopes that he will help Revan, but is the Exile choice (if i where the Exile i chose to follow Visas path , but it seem that he is not too immune to the force(obsidian) will )

 

EDIT:I believe she is tryig to unite Sith and Jedi under a new Code,one Code that would TRULY represent the Force;she wanted to be a pioneer,and a Galaxy saver by negating what Malachor 5 brought..chaos and extinction of all Jedis

All she did was to be a worthy Master to a padawan(Exile) and strenghten him to what he has to confront/fight/face

 

yes we have a new beginning and Exile apprendices will be the new jedi (siths?), but they will have not anyway the "ultimate knowledge" of the force.

 

For Kreia the fact to be a jedi or a sith is a sign of enslavement and weakness, a Jedi or a Sith will probably never understand what the force is and will be always under his influence.

 

I think that Kreia consider a weakness what a jedi consider strenght and vice versa, a man whitout the force have to fight and live with his own strenght, while one witht he force is dependant from it.

[DarthNihilus]

 

I think Revan wanted Malachor 5 to "corrupt" his troops, but what happened there i think was not intented, i'm more inclined to consider the Exile as the creator of Malachor V or at least of what we consider it in this thread.

 

 

Revan is to blame for MAlachor V...the Exile carried an order by creating a weapon of mass-destruction and detonating it.

Revan used Malachor to kill or break the Jedis NOT the Mandalorians...strange is he let the Exile live,because Revan`t belief was that a Jedi in teh past or in the present can change the Galaxy

 

 

2.She is teaching him to be a second Revan or more powerful

SIDENOTE:When she says about the Exile "When I see you is like staring at the death of the Force" it`s possible that she sees the scars MAlachor 5 did to him..that seems to be correlated to Visas`s saying "I saw your hurted soul" or something(if anyone has the right line please PM me)

 

 

 

No no, the Exile is an hole in the force and he chose to be that, after his process of th enlightment he demonstrate that is it possible to be complete as a man, even whitout the force to sustain him.

 

 

THis can`t be right.He either feels THE Force the NORMAL way or the NIHILUS way..no other 3rd choice or anything...

I said in an earlier post that he is not sensing The Force..you said he does...now you say he doesn`t...

That`s not the point about being a man...if she really wanted the Force dead she would`ve drained Exile to death and commit Suicide

I believe some of Kreia`s lines are to be read carefully as some of them are semi-lies/manipulations

 

EDIT: Gosh I need to learn to use `em quotations right

 

I`ll debate a bit the way The Exile uses the Force because we have something that doesn`t fit in the story...

Atris: "The Force was stripped from her and torn from you".Let`s analyse this: The Exile is known for creating bonds not only with his masters but always with many of the persons below him(probably soldiers,crew,Jedis,etc). It is SURE because Revan said it to HK and also said that bonding like that eventually will lead to his downfall. Malachor 5 was the trigger or motive for what was to come(to create soldiers for Revan`s Army)...also HK states that those Jedis and soldiers dead at M5 weren`t Revan`s strongest supporters and he was "cleaning house"

The Exile carried the plan and detonated whatever weapon of mass destruction BAo-Dur made(possibly lost the Force as Exile did? since he can be trained).

So we have a guy who`s power was TORN from him in a way and he had only one choice really...to live without it. Cutting himself from the Force can mean that he chose to do not listen all that was alive at M5 and their screams in their agonizing moments(possible reason)

Correlated with Kreia`s words that he is a "Wound" in the Force(you can`t use it as you were supposed to do and STILL be a wound) we can assume he doesn`t feel the Force anymore naturally "flowing through him" but rather the NIhilus way...NO OTHER WAY to feel the Force

He is the wound because HIS CHOICE created the echo that deafened a whole Galaxy AND fulfilled Revan`s final piece in his plan against the Jedis.

Also I strongly believe the Exile blinds any Force Sensitive because he more or less has the same graveyard in him as Nihilus has(scars of many deaths...remnant marks..you know )

 

In the end we have the Betrayer(Kreia) teaching the Exile to USE that "Force", to betray, to have him make the RIGHT decisions in order that a new Malachor 5 to be avoided AND to make him a teacher of teh REAL use of the Force which is neither Jedi or Sith...and eventually a smaller Revan if we can call him that way since he will have his padawans and reshape the Galaxy(bringing stability for the Republic or destabilizing it - his choice)

I base the above on the never used content as well(Telos Fuel quest should be completed,assasin factory will be destroyed,all sidekicks will survive M5 except Atton..maybe even him if there were a choice to save him..or not?)

Also Kreia is using him to kill HER betrayers AND she`s teaching him the importance of CHOICE

 

I disagree with the "complete man" thingie since you can be complete without using the Force and it`s more or less philosophically... we are talking about Kreia`s plan not philosophy

It`s all about making the right choice..creating the right echo...use the right trigger that Kreia is teaching him...and to feel the "Force" again the Nihilus way

[Zilod]

Revan is to blame for MAlachor V...the Exile carried an order by creating a weapon of mass-destruction and detonating it.

Revan used Malachor to kill or break the Jedis NOT the Mandalorians...strange is he let the Exile live,because Revan`t belief was that a Jedi in teh past or in the present can change the Galaxy

I'm not saying that the Exile created Malachor V because the weapon, but because his choice.

When i say he created Malachor V i'm referring to the hole in the force that was created there, echoes (sith lords) included.

Revan wanted a weapon of corruption, the hole, the Exile was accidental.

 

 

THis can`t be right.He either feels THE Force the NORMAL way or the NIHILUS way..no other 3rd choice or anything...

I said in an earlier post that he is not sensing The Force..you said he does...now you say he doesn`t...

No i'm saying that is not what made him important, he is not important because he can feel the force (feel it outside him, no more inside)

 

 

That`s not the point about being a man...if she really wanted the Force dead she would`ve drained Exile to death and commit Suicide

I believe some of Kreia`s lines are to be read carefully as some of them are semi-lies/manipulations

The force can't die, as she say on dantooine for every jedi fallen another will raise... is just a matter of time.

The force can't be killed but can be "refused", as the Exile have done in his past, if other people, other jedi will understand that they will follor the Exile path and free themself from the force.

 

I think this is the fear of the council, to follow the exile to the point to recide their bound with the force, and for them the force is everything, they simply can't think to do that.

[DarthNihilus]

The Exile is a weapon!

Gosh took long to realize...

 

Let me explain:

The Exile is a blind spot in the Force. Wherever he goes he blinds any Force Sensitive. As a result he makes them not capable to use the Force(they can`t sense anything while he`s around if I got it right-may be mistaken).

As a result they are reduced to mere humans(non-sensitives)..all this while the Exile STILL be able to use the Force at its full potential(doesn`t really matter if he uses it normally or by feeding on excess Force or on the Force itself).

Eventually he will act as a "mobile Malachor 5" if I may say so wherever he will go (any Jedi or Sith will not see him coming but instead be blind...)

 

Can be expanded but that`s the main idea...I just got this crazy idea and need time to think it over

[Zilod]

The Exile is a weapon!

Gosh took long to realize...

 

Let me explain:

The Exile is a blind spot in the Force. Wherever he goes he blinds any Force Sensitive. As a result he makes them not capable to use the Force(they can`t sense anything while he`s around if I got it right-may be mistaken).

As a result they are reduced to mere humans(non-sensitives)..all this while the Exile STILL be able to use the Force at its full potential(doesn`t really matter if he uses it normally or by feeding on excess Force or on the Force itself).

Eventually he will act as a "mobile Malachor 5" if I may say so wherever he will go (any Jedi or Sith will not see him coming but instead be blind...)

 

Can be expanded but that`s the main idea...I just got this crazy idea and need time to think it over

No is not what is happening...

Kreia is teaching him the force, she can sense the force, same Sion, or Visas, all the apprentices, even the council is sensing the force, they just can't sense the force in him (he is an hole)... they also use the force to try to cut again his bounds.

[DarthNihilus]

I`m sure I saw somewhere a line like "You are a blind spot in teh Force"

Also it is known(damn forgot why ) that where he travel he makes force sensitives blind

 

Nvm..I won`t reply until I finish for the 5th time the game and take some notes to see the whole picture

Given certain personal issues will take some time...

 

BUT...

*heavy Austrian accent*

"I`ll be back!..."