Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Gee, thanks so much. "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 read the edit...you guys posted while i was typing gandalf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Either use it in full or ditch it in full and make your own. I am so glad that Bioware finally ditched d20 for Dragon Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 And I was responding to Hades' earlier quip. Â Once again, respectfully, I have a difference of opinion. <_< "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 First they rape the system ..then they ditch it...in some countries you could go to jail for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 What is wrong with wanting a good challenging game without the need to have a munchkin character forced on you or be forced to metagame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 First they rape the system ..then they ditch it...in some countries you could go to jail for that. It seems Canada is different. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 What is wrong with wanting a good challenging game without the need to have a munchkin character forced on you or be forced to metagame? Â Â Â Everything theese day hades....everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Well, I actually enjoyed KOTOR I, so I'm not especially worried about KOTOR II. "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 KotOR1 was a good cinematic game but hardly a challenging CRPG. Fallout is an example of a good challenging CRPG, KotOR1 is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Gandalf...we all enjoyed Kotor,but that dosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcleaver Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 It was a lot more fun than the OC of NWN. Â Something I think COULD be improved: The force powers and feats are a little conspicuous. I think, by the animations alone, we can pretty much tell what's going on in battle. Perhaps something to turn those off if we don't want them? Those colors and such are a little too DnD for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Gandalf...we all enjoyed Kotor,but that dosen "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I don't. I play games to be challenged as well as for the story. In order for a game to be really engaging it needs to be difficult enough that I need to focus my energy and play it to the best of my ability. If a game cannot do that it is weak. Â KotOR was indeed better than the NWN OC, but then again nearly everything except for ToEE is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Well gandalf it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 We need to tell Obsidian what the hell is wrong with KotOR so they can fix as many of the problems the original had as possible, thus make KotOR2 a better game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 Yes. But rather than gripe about things that they're not doing, I prefer suggesting things that they may actually consider. Not that they won't consider the ideas recently discussed; we simply don't know yet either way. "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Bottom line they need to do a better job in balancing the game against force users, make the game more of a challenge, and allow non-force users have more options. Eliminate the need to metagame to make the game harder or to play a non-force user will help in that. Applying the combat rules, and weapon damages, written in the PnP system would improve the game greatly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 If it were adapted to be more like the PnP system, it would drive/scare away many people who are playing their first "real" rpg. KOTOR is probably the first game using a pnp system (a little change but not that much if you think about it) that just about anyone can enjoy. Alot of people I know who hate rpging like KOTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdy-worker 1138 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 So many things wrong with that post that i wont even answer. (now thats a first ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 my post? I think that KOTOR is a good way to possible introduce people who are scareed to rpg to a rpg style enviroment. It is certainly less of a hardcore rpg game, which makes it more likable for many people. I see nothing wrong with my logic, but than again I might have missed something. Tell me what's wrong with my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 First off KotOR is not a real CRPG. It is too limited in character development and far too linear in its story format to be what I consider a real CRPG. Fallout, BG, and Arcanum are what I consider real CRPGs. If KotOR scares them then they have a weak stomach and a weak mind. Go play Unreal Torunement, Jedi Knight, Quake, or Dark Forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinIchiro Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 BG was a heavy/"real" rpg. I found that alot of people thought it was a good game but didn't like it. Liking games doesn't make someone have a weak stomach or mind. KOTOR has managed to expand the market from traditional RPGs and still be fun, thus making itself more successful. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, I'm just making an ovservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Author Share Posted June 26, 2004 I agree with ShinIchiro on this one. "You shall not pass!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 KotOR didn't expand the market. It made it weaker, therefore more acceptable to the "casual" gamer who can't handle a real game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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