JohnDoe Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 oh, brother... What? A few posts ago you wanted a conclusion to the debate, and now we have one...of sorts. :D
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Hades, Do you work in a post office? Do you own any guns? Do you wear a trenchcoat? I'm just curious. Nope. I work at a Pizza joint in the middle of Hell, Iowa. No guns, no drugs, no trench coat, and certainly no sense or logic at all. :ph34r:
DarthShad Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Hades, Do you work in a post office? Do you own any guns? Do you wear a trenchcoat? I'm just curious. Nope. I work at a Pizza joint in the middle of Hell, Iowa. No guns, no drugs, no trench coat, and certainly no sense or logic at all. :ph34r: One thing is certain Hades, while I do not agree with you, you really make me laugh
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I work in Iowa as well. I understand the hell comment. Thankly I can retreat back into the same confines of Omaha.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Council-Tuckey. The only part of Iowa I like is Des Moines. I've seen show Broadway shows there (Rent recently). The capital is quite pretty, and the bridges through the city are nifty. Too bad the streets don't make any damn sense. The rest of Iowa is pretty scary.
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I hated Des Moines. I use to live there and the city council is full of arseholes.
Carrie Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 *waves southeastward at EnderWiggin and Hades_One* Hi from southeast South Dakota :D
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 The closest I have been to SOuth Dakota was when I lived in Souix City, Iowa. I had a friend up there that would run off drunk drivers off the road.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Never been up to South Dakota. I do want to visit the Black Hills someday.
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I would like to see the Black Hills go back to their rightful owners. Damn bastards in the US government. I hate the US government.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 That's something that needs more public exposure. Native Americans in this country need more rights.
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 They simply need equal rights as everyone else and their important pieces of land such as sacred burial grounds and artifacts returned to them. It would be impossible to give full restitution but the important bits should be return to them.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Even more than that to start. I believe true equality is not drawing racial lines, but programs like Affirmative Action need to be directed to Native Americans as a temporary band-aid. Their education system is so shot. We need to give them land, and schools.
Iolo Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 That's something that needs more public exposure. Native Americans in this country need more rights. I think they have enough as it is. They are more than welcome to join the rest of society in the United States. And they do receive special rights. Casinos on Indian Reservations for instance. Casinos must bring in some pretty good money.
Iolo Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Even more than that to start. I believe true equality is not drawing racial lines, but programs like Affirmative Action need to be directed to Native Americans as a temporary band-aid. Their education system is so shot. We need to give them land, and schools. Sure. Why not. But there should be a limit to how far we should go with choices made by our and their ancestors in which we give them special rights not enjoyed by other residents of the United States.
Judge Hades Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Money is irrelevant to many tribes. Such as the ones who want their Black Hills back. The US Supreme court awarded them over $100 million dollars and they have refused the money for they want the land.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Many schools don't have full days on reservations, and operate in buildings that are near condemned. They lack budget for decent textbooks, and only 10 years ago they were still using manual labor of school-children during the day to help fund education on reservations. In the long run, eliminate all special treatment for all groups. That's how you get equality. But occassionally you need band-aids to get there first.
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 29, 2004 Author Posted June 29, 2004 Wow, this tangent has sure gone far. We're learning about Force Equal Rights! "You shall not pass!"
Child of Flame Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 It really is f*cked what we they did to us back in the day. (1/8th Cherokee here) For instance, driving the Cherokee's across the country....taking them from their homes, and giving them the crappiest pieces of land, when they had paradise before that. You notice most the indian reservations are in desterts and swamps...that's not by accident. Not to mention taking indian children away from their parents and placing them in boarding schools where they were abused terribly by the white men. I remember seeing one story on a documentary where an indian father came in defense of his son, told them that it was better to teach them by example how to be good men, rather than the belt. They promptly shot them. In my experience, it's about 1% of indians that actually benefit from the tribal casinos. The rest get nothing. I shouldn't really be complaining though, because my ancestors managed to take the easy way out, what with Cherokee's being an extremely lightly complexioned indian race anyway, and them being half white anyway; and cut ties with their heritage. Perhaps the cowards way out, but it kept them together, and saved them from alot of ridicule in the long run. My grandfather still had stories of his father having trouble finding a job because he was a 'halfbreed'. Just for the record though, while I disagree with Affirmative Action for the most part, I could see it to a limited extent in the lower education system. It generally doesn't work for higher education though, in my experience....because it just sets the people who benefit from it up for failure for the most part, not being prepared for the classes, and even if they do cut them some slack, they're never going to be able to compete with people who've had full advantages from the beginning without some catching up first. Better to send them to a JC where they can catch up on whatever was left out of their education, than to set them up for failure in college, and later on in their carreer.
EnderAndrew Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 And for the most part they don't work. But since seperate is not equal, we've failed. They are seperate in how they are treated. We need to address that specifically to bring them more to an equal setting.
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 29, 2004 Author Posted June 29, 2004 Maybe they could show the oppressed Jedi in KOTOR II? "You shall not pass!"
Zabrak Maul Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Maybe they could show the oppressed Jedi in KOTOR II? YEAH! the south will rise again!
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 29, 2004 Author Posted June 29, 2004 Maybe they could show the oppressed Jedi in KOTOR II? YEAH! the south will rise again! You need some serious help! Force Persuade'd!!! "You shall not pass!"
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