Syrian civil war

[Gfted1]

He bares an uncanny resemblance to Adam Livine.

[BruceVC]

9 hours ago, Malcador said:

Heh, reminds of the CIA black bagging a Canadian and sending him to Syria where he got tortured.

Not really sure why we're beating the "Assad is bad" horse here, but knock on.

Why we beating the " Assad is bad " horse  

Gee I dont know, maybe because his entire regime collapsed in 5 days when his Russian and Iranian allies didnt support him and his own army  had to defend him

Its not that hard to define effective and popular leadership when an advancing army can achieve the results in such a short time ?

Add to that the oppressive and brutal nature of his government and it shouldnt be that difficult to understand the  "Assad is bad " for Syria 

 

 

 

 

[Malcador]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Why we beating the " Assad is bad " horse  

Gee I dont know, maybe because his entire regime collapsed in 5 days when his Russian and Iranian allies didnt support him and his own army  had to defend him

Its not that hard to define effective and popular leadership when an advancing army can achieve the results in such a short time ?

Add to that the oppressive and brutal nature of his government and it shouldnt be that difficult to understand the  "Assad is bad " for Syria 

 

 

 

 

Guess the metaphor wasn't all that clear to you.

[Malcador]

Well the rebels are being good so far, they're not complaining about Israel bombing or raiding the country

If they do become a proper state, wonder if Israel will leave Golan.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Malcador

[Elerond]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

Well the rebels are being good so far, they're not complaining about Israel bombing or raiding the country

If they do become a proper state, wonder if Israel will leave Golan.

Question should probably be will Israel leave from their new "defense zone" then

[Mamoulian War]

Very good video PPT about why it happened so fast. If you have 1 hour to spare, I can only recommend it. I have listened to it today while driving during my business trip, and I have found out about things, which I never heard before. Like Assad being head of “drug cartel”, which provided synthetic drugs to the whole middle east (responsible for about 80% of worldwide production).

 

 

[Malcador]

On 12/10/2024 at 10:14 AM, Elerond said:

Question should probably be will Israel leave from their new "defense zone" then

Looks like no on that count.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-fears-military-buildup-by-turkey-signals-preparations-for-incursion-into-syria-1c2e88e9

Kurds about to see what US friendship is like.

[Zoraptor]

In news that should surprise literally nobody- except, maybe, the CIA/ MI6 etc- the western backed moderate head choppers have done exactly what would be expected of them and massacred 745 alawite civilians on the Syrian coast in revenge attacks.

Note that kind and reformed Al Qaeda sent in the Hamza Division* which is western trained . You'd think that France training Interahamwe might have given them second thoughts on training genocidal nutbars, if not the School of the Americas, but guess not.

*to be fair, they are currently sanctioned by the US. For, uh, genociding Kurds on Turkey's behalf in occupied Syria. So not exactly a positive for the new Al Qaeda led government's 'moderation', sending a unit sanctioned for a bit of light genocide against a different minority to control another. Indeed, they've behaved exactly as any reasonable person might have predicted; and utterly without doubt as their fellow moderate head choppers would have expected. Whatever their claims might be.

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

In news that should surprise literally nobody- except, maybe, the CIA/ MI6 etc- the western backed moderate head choppers have done exactly what would be expected of them and massacred 745 alawite civilians on the Syrian coast in revenge attacks.

Note that kind and reformed Al Qaeda sent in the Hamza Division* which is western trained . You'd think that France training Interahamwe might have given them second thoughts on training genocidal nutbars, if not the School of the Americas, but guess not.

*to be fair, they are currently sanctioned by the US. For, uh, genociding Kurds on Turkey's behalf in occupied Syria. So not exactly a positive for the new Al Qaeda led government's 'moderation', sending a unit sanctioned for a bit of light genocide against a different minority to control another. Indeed, they've behaved exactly as any reasonable person might have predicted; and utterly without doubt as their fellow moderate head choppers would have expected. Whatever their claims might be.

This  ethnic payback was inevitable considering the thousands of Syrians killed by Assad

Its not an expected  response when you see the type of carnage that Assad inflicted on Syria 

People dont forget, look at Rwanda now. The Tutsi will never forget what happened in 1994 and still make regional military decisions based on it

 

 

[BruceVC]

https://apnews.com/article/syria-hts-clashes-alawites-sunnis-lattakia-assad-b92c8532c40a3c7105ba32307ffaef48

 

It looks like Kurds can get on with the "head choppers " and they integrating into the new Syrian army

[Zoraptor]

What a garbage article. 

Particularly:

Quote

Earlier Monday, Syria’s government announced the end of the military operation against insurgents loyal to Assad and his family in the worst fighting since the end of the civil war.

Oh, OK

Quote

Abdel-Ghani said security forces will continue searching for sleeper cells and remnants of the insurgency of former government loyalists.

Ah, so it isn't really ending then, is it? Good thing we have APNews's crack journalist squad to immediately leap onto the obvious contradiction, eh?

Also, no mention of all the murdered civilians and makes it sound like everything was started by the alawites. Reminder: they sent a unit bad enough to be sanctioned by the US for ethnic cleansing based head chopping, and then purported to be surprised at them doing the same thing again from the government.

Crap journalists taking a bung from Turkey and defending genocide, awful editorial control from APnew... well no, par for the course for their coverage of Palestine actually and very obviously part of their editorial direction, which was equally full of selective facts and acritical use of often mutually contradictory quotes. As always, genocide is aok, since if its at someone we don't like it's just sparkling mass murder.

Eh Bruce.

[BruceVC]

24 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

What a garbage article. 

Particularly:

Oh, OK

Ah, so it isn't really ending then, is it? Good thing we have APNews's crack journalist squad to immediately leap onto the obvious contradiction, eh?

Also, no mention of all the murdered civilians and makes it sound like everything was started by the alawites. Reminder: they sent a unit bad enough to be sanctioned by the US for ethnic cleansing based head chopping, and then purported to be surprised at them doing the same thing again from the government.

Crap journalists taking a bung from Turkey and defending genocide, awful editorial control from APnew... well no, par for the course for their coverage of Palestine actually and very obviously part of their editorial direction, which was equally full of selective facts and acritical use of often mutually contradictory quotes. As always, genocide is aok, since if its at someone we don't like it's just sparkling mass murder.

Eh Bruce.

They do mention the civilians being killed 

 

  " The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based war monitor, said 1,130 people were killed in the clashes, including 830 civilians. The Associated Press could not independently verify these numbers. "

[Zoraptor]

Nope, 100% no mention of murdered civilians. 

Indeed, that quote makes it sound like they got caught up in fighting or similar, not systematically slaughtered in their homes. SOHR* was more than enough attribution wise previous, when they were reporting on atrocities perpetrated by people the AP doesn't like- but now suddenly cannot be verified and the people are neutrally 'killed'. Who by? It's a mystery. Better get Scooby and pals on to it so they can unmask al Jolani as being notorious wanted terrorist al Jolani, something no one could have predicted. Or it could just remain a mystery, to the AP. Biggest one day civilian death toll of the war, might warrant a little bit of investigation though?

A very little bit. The head choppers being head choppers they proudly posting their handiwork all over twitter and telegram... so it's pretty clearly the AP was deliberately not looking in order to write a misleading article.

Not quite as passive voice as their Israeli coverage to be sure.

*since it's all a bit hard for the AP reporters, some quotes/ articles from Rami, no charge for the research guys

"Despite announcement about accomplishing security campaign in Syrian coastline groups of gunmen continue crimes and violations against residents"

"Genocide in Syrian coastline and Latakia mountains 72 hours on | Military and security forces commit nearly 40 massacres, killing 973 civilians"

[BruceVC]

9 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Nope, 100% no mention of murdered civilians. 

Indeed, that quote makes it sound like they got caught up in fighting or similar, not systematically slaughtered in their homes. SOHR* was more than enough attribution wise previous, when they were reporting on atrocities perpetrated by people the AP doesn't like- but now suddenly cannot be verified and the people are neutrally 'killed'. Who by? It's a mystery. Better get Scooby and pals on to it so they can unmask al Jolani as being notorious wanted terrorist al Jolani, something no one could have predicted. Or it could just remain a mystery, to the AP. Biggest one day civilian death toll of the war, might warrant a little bit of investigation though?

A very little bit. The head choppers being head choppers they proudly posting their handiwork all over twitter and telegram... so it's pretty clearly the AP was deliberately not looking in order to write a misleading article.

Not quite as passive voice as their Israeli coverage to be sure.

*since it's all a bit hard for the AP reporters, some quotes/ articles from Rami, no charge for the research guys

"Despite announcement about accomplishing security campaign in Syrian coastline groups of gunmen continue crimes and violations against residents"

"Genocide in Syrian coastline and Latakia mountains 72 hours on | Military and security forces commit nearly 40 massacres, killing 973 civilians"

Yes but I have acknowledged that there would be examples of this type of ethnic payback

But the article mentioned is about the future of Syria and its about unity of ethnic groups like the Kurds who were always opposed to Assad, I would assume you want Syria  to be united and have a future? This is a positive step but it doesnt ignore the numerous other problems Syria faces
 

"Syria’s Kurds will gain their “constitutional rights” including using and teaching their language, which were banned for decades under Assad. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds, who were displaced during Syria’s nearly 14-year civil war, will return to their homes. Thousands of Kurds living in Syria who have been deprived of nationality for decades under Assad will be given the right of citizenship, according to the agreement." 

[melkathi]

I think throughout history no promise made to the Kurds has ever been kept. So if someone says they'll be good for them, I do not trust that person and expect them to just need Kurdish cannon fodder for their own goals.

Kurds are alongside Palestinians the world's punching bag