Gfted1 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Those external missile tubes are just begging to explode. 1 hour ago, Malcador said: Houthis better not get a hold of these drones. I wonder how low CIWS can slew? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 @Lexx is this legit? https://theins.press/en/politics/268805 Article about Another european Far-Right political party cuddling with Russia, showing once again, that it’s the Russia, who is the biggest sponsor of Neo-Nazism in the world Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 They've shot up these drones, well or other ones in the past. Not sure if they did it with their CIWS or some dude with a Pecheneg though. I don't believe the system on this corvette can depress that much. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Wasn't CIWS if it's the video I'm thinking of, as that ship didn't have one. Pecheneg or even a RPK. Seems a bit funny, but during the Falklands British sailors regularly tried to shoot down Argentine A4s with bog standard assault rifles (!) when Sea Sparrow failed. Phalanx being able to depress further was one of the (few) changes actually made due to the infamous Millennium Challenge, iirc. Same depression as the equivalent Russian system though. Not really hitting the target that is the issue so much as detecting it, since you don't need to take meatbags into account you can design sea drones to be only marginally buoyant and sealed thus extremely low profile, and you can pack a lot more explosive in or give it a lot larger engines than one that has to carry people. Ironically, the Russian are still up on Tarantul class corvettes as they captured 4 of them from Ukraine. Edited February 1 by Zoraptor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Mamoulian War said: @Lexx is this legit? https://theins.press/en/politics/268805 Article about Another european Far-Right political party cuddling with Russia, showing once again, that it’s the Russia, who is the biggest sponsor of Neo-Nazism in the world Dunno how legit, but wouldn't surprise me in the least. Generally all the right wingers here are pro-russia for some weird reason. It's also been known for a while that far-right parties were indirectly paid by russia. There's also reports of various politicians traveling to russia from time to time. So yeah... Guess they all love russian money. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Zoraptor said: Ironically, the Russian are still up on Tarantul class corvettes as they captured 4 of them from Ukraine. Well, three...Ominous Russian Anti-Ship Missile Drill Sinks Ex-Ukrainian Corvette (twz.com) Coming full circle, it was Ivanovets that sank it. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 Looks like US found a workaround for GOP blocking UA aid https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/30/joe-biden-is-arming-greece-so-greece-can-arm-ukraine-and-pro-russia-republicans-cant-stop-him/ 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 Russian T-90 pilot, who launched missiles at civilian targets in Ukraine has been shot in Engels, Russia. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/3/7440244/ Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Ukraine hitting refineries well enough this week as well. Good thing they are evil oil refineries But another sign how big a role UAVs are playing Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralfy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ammunition-stoltenberg-ukraine-bullets-1863220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Jesus Christ, those incompetent monkeys. 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, Lexx said: Jesus Christ, those incompetent monkeys. No its not that bad as the Newsweek article suggests, this is an updated article 1 week after the Newsweek one https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-declares-victory-in-million-artillery-round-mission/#:~:text=The EU executive's de facto,has hit the magic number "The EU executive's de facto defense commissioner, Thierry Breton, pledged last year to get a million rounds of ammunition ready for supply to Ukraine by the close of March 2024, and while actual deliveries to Kyiv are way below that figure, he now says that manufacturing capacity has hit the magic number. "We are already at this level today, in other words — we are two months ahead of schedule in our capacity to produce more ammunition in Europe, of course for Ukraine but also for our own security," Breton said Wednesday on the sidelines of a defense ministers' meeting in Brussels. 3 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Can't believe Zelensky of all people would spread pro Russian rumours like that. Abrams supposedly (and even from some of the pro UA mappers etc, too belatedly) seen around Avdivka- which is finally starting to look really terminal for the Ukrainians since the Russians are in the last line of houses before open ground near the Coke Plant. Once those are taken they'll have clear line of sight on Ukrainian supply lines and only be ~4km from their southern pincer. Edited February 5 by Zoraptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralfy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Keep in mind that the U.S. and the West are reliant on China and others, not only for ammo but even for various needs, like fossil fuels and minerals. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/16/us-military-china-minerals-supply-chain/ https://www.voanews.com/a/putin-profits-off-us-and-european-reliance-on-russian-nuclear-fuel-/7220368.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-natural-gas-european-union-dependence-ukraine-war/32754244.html It's only later that they called for bans, but with a lot of concern because their manufacturing base is not prepared to go on a war footing, and they lack oil and minerals to maintain middle class lifestyles. (There's one report which even shows that the U.S. is wholly unprepared against China because its industrial base is shot.) Meanwhile, many don't want to serve in the military, if not unfit to serve: https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/01/conscription-is-seeing-a-revival-across-europe-is-that-a-good-thing https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/09/28/new-pentagon-study-shows-77-of-young-americans-are-ineligible-military-service.html One expert even pointed out that most U.S. youth are not even fit for many careers, and the main reasons involve drugs, alcoholism, criminal records, unwanted pregnancies, poor physical or mental health, obesity, and low test scores. Lastly, there has been growing distrust of the West by the Global South, as seen in moves away from the petrodollar and increasing bilateral trade, and what appears to be the emergence of a multipolar global economy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, ralfy said: Lastly, there has been growing distrust of the West by the Global South, as seen in moves away from the petrodollar and increasing bilateral trade, and what appears to be the emergence of a multipolar global economy. You mean like BRICS, I have heard about it? Its all about creating a more equitable and fairer world and giving the Global South a seat at the table. And its deeply influenced by China and Russia and these are examples of countries that have always cared about global inequality, because they not Western countries, so it has to succeed and then the likes of Saudi Arabia should also be joining BRICS. Another fine example of country where human rights and a multipolar world matters 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 14 hours ago, Zoraptor said: Can't believe Zelensky of all people would spread pro Russian rumours like that. Abrams supposedly (and even from some of the pro UA mappers etc, too belatedly) seen around Avdivka- which is finally starting to look really terminal for the Ukrainians since the Russians are in the last line of houses before open ground near the Coke Plant. Once those are taken they'll have clear line of sight on Ukrainian supply lines and only be ~4km from their southern pincer. Was surprised to find out that it might not be Butusov or Roepcke freaking out over nothing. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 It still took a decent amount of time for Bakhmut to go from a similar position, and Sverodonetsk. Should be faster for Avdivka given it's a lot flatter which will make an ad hoc supply line more difficult, but 'should be' doesn't always become 'was'. As with both of those a militarily justifiable decision to hold initially is in very real danger of turning into an unjustifiable mess due to political considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralfy Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 1:08 PM, BruceVC said: You mean like BRICS, I have heard about it? Its all about creating a more equitable and fairer world and giving the Global South a seat at the table. And its deeply influenced by China and Russia and these are examples of countries that have always cared about global inequality, because they not Western countries, so it has to succeed and then the likes of Saudi Arabia should also be joining BRICS. Another fine example of country where human rights and a multipolar world matters BRICS refers to Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. It started as BRIC, a term coined by an economist and used by Goldman Sachs over twenty years ago to refer to countries that would become the economic powers of the future. Later, South Africa was included, and other terms were coined to refer to various configurations, like CIVETS (Colombia, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.), EAGLES (Emerging and Growing-Leading Economies), MINT (Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria, Turkey), and Next Eleven (Bangladesh, the Philippines, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, etc.). They are mostly part of the Global South, which is all countries except those in North America, Europe, and Israel, Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. The Global South, which includes Ukraine, is growing considerably and will soon take over the global economy because it has large numbers of young people who are eager workers and consumers: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22956470 A recent example is VIP, or Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, which have some of the highest economic growth rates and will eventually become among the premier investment sites even for the aging populations of the Global North. The main leader is China, which has been experiencing unprecedented growth, i.e., an average growth rate of 7 pct per annum for more than 40 years, and within two decades lifted over 800 million of its people out of poverty. The main tactics employed by these countries is the East Asian Miracle, which was started by Japan and consists of combinations of coordination between public and private sectors, export orientation, heavy infrastructure development needed for manufacturing, mechanized agriculture, and mining, and essentially authoritarian forms of government, and is based on, interestingly enough, nineteenth-century Prussian state policies and three centuries of European mercantilism. BRICS has lately become an organization and now includes Saudi Arabia, which has been trading with Russia and China without using the dollar. The result is a growing multipolar global economy, with lots of bilateral trade and economic blocs outside the influence of the U.S. dollar, G-7, and even the IMF and WB. Many of them grew faster because they refused to give in to policies like IMF-WB structural adjustment, which would have forced them to open up their markets to exploitation by the West. This increasing prosperity by most countries is a major threat to the U.S., which relies heavily on the use of the dollar as a global reserve currency (which is why, for example, it made deals with Saudi Arabia and OPEC to price oil in dollars and to invest profits in Wall Street in exchange for military support). The only way for that reserve currency to be maintained is for most of these countries to be economically weak and thus rely on the U.S. for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 20 minutes ago, ralfy said: BRICS refers to Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. It started as BRIC, a term coined by an economist and used by Goldman Sachs over twenty years ago to refer to countries that would become the economic powers of the future. Later, South Africa was included, and other terms were coined to refer to various configurations, like CIVETS (Colombia, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.), EAGLES (Emerging and Growing-Leading Economies), MINT (Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria, Turkey), and Next Eleven (Bangladesh, the Philippines, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, etc.). They are mostly part of the Global South, which is all countries except those in North America, Europe, and Israel, Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. The Global South, which includes Ukraine, is growing considerably and will soon take over the global economy because it has large numbers of young people who are eager workers and consumers: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22956470 A recent example is VIP, or Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, which have some of the highest economic growth rates and will eventually become among the premier investment sites even for the aging populations of the Global North. The main leader is China, which has been experiencing unprecedented growth, i.e., an average growth rate of 7 pct per annum for more than 40 years, and within two decades lifted over 800 million of its people out of poverty. The main tactics employed by these countries is the East Asian Miracle, which was started by Japan and consists of combinations of coordination between public and private sectors, export orientation, heavy infrastructure development needed for manufacturing, mechanized agriculture, and mining, and essentially authoritarian forms of government, and is based on, interestingly enough, nineteenth-century Prussian state policies and three centuries of European mercantilism. BRICS has lately become an organization and now includes Saudi Arabia, which has been trading with Russia and China without using the dollar.The result is a growing multipolar global economy, with lots of bilateral trade and economic blocs outside the influence of the U.S. dollar, G-7, and even the IMF and WB. Many of them grew faster because they refused to give in to policies like IMF-WB structural adjustment, which would have forced them to open up their markets to exploitation by the West. This increasing prosperity by most countries is a major threat to the U.S., which relies heavily o n the use of the dollar as a global reserve currency (which is why, for example, it made deals with Saudi Arabia and OPEC to price oil in dollars and to invest profits in Wall Street in exchange for military support). The only way for that reserve currency to be maintained is for most of these countries to be economically weak and thus rely on the U.S. for help. Oh I know all about BRICS, I live in a BRICS country What are the specific economic benefits for being part of BRICS? What trade deals does BRICS provide that only BRICS members get access to ? You can trade with any BRICS country and it doesnt matter if you part of BRICS or not part of BRICS because normal WTO trade rules is used For example AGOA (African Growth and Opportunity Act ) is a specific trade deal between certain African countries and the US but it has real trade benefits that help African countries because they get reduced tariffs to sell there exported goods in the US https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/trade-development/preference-programs/african-growth-and-opportunity-act-agoa What are similar economic benefits for joining BRICS, I am not looking for broad generalisations or rhetoric like " The result is a growing multipolar global economy, with lots of bilateral trade and economic blocs outside the influence of the U.S." What does that even mean , any country can trade with any country in the world . The US doesnt control that but whats more relevant to this debate is I am looking for specific trade deals like AGOA that apply to BRICS members. You can find me any unique benefit that applies to BRICS members and I will read them For BRICS to become a meaningful and beneficial economic union it has to have some sort of common institutions like a Central Bank which controls monetary policy for BRICS like the EU and the ECB, BRICS doesnt have a shared currency and it has countries that have very different types of governments so the legality of economic policies cant be enforced within BRICS like how the EU successfully functions around internal EU trade on things like tariffs for EU members But the point is just post some links about what specific economic agreements you get from joining BRICS and these are benefits that if you not a BRICS member you cant get 2 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 Bruce, that’s to much to ask from a person, who joined these forums, purely to show everyone, how “west is wrong and will be economically crushed soon ” Especially, when these somehow completely disregard the fact, that China and India is for decades in a state of cold war, which in some cases even includes banning each others companies from doing business in their countries And that India is making Russia economy bleed, as Russia must currently trade gas and oil with them in Rupees, and subsequently requires them to invest these rupees back in India, as Rupees are non-convertible What a case example how business partners should treat each other when trying to outperform and crush their competitors 1 1 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 29 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said: Bruce, that’s to much to ask from a person, who joined these forums, purely to show everyone, how “west is wrong and will be economically crushed soon ” Especially, when these somehow completely disregard the fact, that China and India is for decades in a state of cold war, which in some cases even includes banning each others companies from doing business in their countries And that India is making Russia economy bleed, as Russia must currently trade gas and oil with them in Rupees, and subsequently requires them to invest these rupees back in India, as Rupees are non-convertible What a case example how business partners should treat each other when trying to outperform and crush their competitors I like to give people the benefit of doubt and hope they do understand there own argument, what he is talking about is the normal BRICS narrative and anti-Western rhetoric and I have heard it all before on Codex and I have had several debates on this same topic but I still am interested in the questions I asked And there are several common points that always get raised around the BRICS narrative and this gets repeated in SA by BRICS activists and one of them is where people confuse GDP and GDP PPP where BRICS is ahead in GDP PPP but not GDP compared to the G7 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-comparing-the-gdp-of-brics-and-the-g7-countries/ But that debate is a distraction because both GDP measurements for BRICS or the G7 is not because of specific or unique trade deals within BRICS, its normal trade and economic activity that would exist even if BRICS didnt exist So the data is correct but not the reason for the data. Which is why I always ask the same question " what is the real economic benefit for being part of BRICS" , what is the BRICS equivalence to the EU single market or AGOA for Africa? Because then you can say " these are the specific economic benefits to join BRICS " but if there arent any substantive benefits then it will continue to be a talk-shop 1 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Tucker Carlson to interview Vladimir Putin. Successfully resisted crossposting to the Funny thread for now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralfy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 22 hours ago, BruceVC said: Oh I know all about BRICS, I live in a BRICS country What are the specific economic benefits for being part of BRICS? What trade deals does BRICS provide that only BRICS members get access to ? You can trade with any BRICS country and it doesnt matter if you part of BRICS or not part of BRICS because normal WTO trade rules is used For example AGOA (African Growth and Opportunity Act ) is a specific trade deal between certain African countries and the US but it has real trade benefits that help African countries because they get reduced tariffs to sell there exported goods in the US https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/trade-development/preference-programs/african-growth-and-opportunity-act-agoa What are similar economic benefits for joining BRICS, I am not looking for broad generalisations or rhetoric like " The result is a growing multipolar global economy, with lots of bilateral trade and economic blocs outside the influence of the U.S." What does that even mean , any country can trade with any country in the world . The US doesnt control that but whats more relevant to this debate is I am looking for specific trade deals like AGOA that apply to BRICS members. You can find me any unique benefit that applies to BRICS members and I will read them For BRICS to become a meaningful and beneficial economic union it has to have some sort of common institutions like a Central Bank which controls monetary policy for BRICS like the EU and the ECB, BRICS doesnt have a shared currency and it has countries that have very different types of governments so the legality of economic policies cant be enforced within BRICS like how the EU successfully functions around internal EU trade on things like tariffs for EU members But the point is just post some links about what specific economic agreements you get from joining BRICS and these are benefits that if you not a BRICS member you cant get There are no benefits in joining BRICS. Instead, there are benefits in employing economic policies that characterize BRICS and emerging markets of the Global South, which are variations of the East Asian Miracle that was first started by Japan, then promoted by South Korea and Taiwan, and later Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, and others, and finally China and Vietnam. That is, infrastructure development needed for mechanized agriculture, mining, and/or manufacturing, heavy coordination between private and public sectors and led by a government that promotes variations of nationalist economics, protection of key industries that have no competition (like utilities) and that have the possibility of impressive development and growth, and export orientation to make industrial sectors grow. What about the U.S.? As the Council of Foreign Relations: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/dollar-worlds-reserve-currency and even Stoltenberg of NATO: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_222258.htm implicitly reveal is that the power of the U.S. and that unipolar global economy lies in the use of the U.S. dollar as a global reserve currency. For that to be maintained, many countries have to be economically weak and thus dependent on the U.S. The U.S. ensures this through a combination of neoliberalism, such as structural adjustment policies via the IMF-WB that encourage client nations to promote free markets, and the military industrial complex, or collusion between rich-controlled industries and the military (with Congress) to use arms sales, military deals, etc., to ensure "freedom and democracy" for recipient countries, or neoconservatism. These go against the so-called model mentioned earlier, which is said to be a combination of 19th-century Prussian state policies and European mercantilism. Such a model leads to a multipolar economy where various currencies are used, if not something like variations of special drawing rights, so that no single country can dominate it by being able to have a global reserve currency. Besides, the latter leads to a Triffin dilemma, where one's exports become too expensive for many and importing becomes cheaper, leading eventually to trade deficits and the need to borrow continuously to meet increasing spending. That's what happened to the U.S., as it began to experience trade deficits starting in the mid-1970s and was able to compensate for that and increased spending by financial deregulation starting in the early 1980s, which in turn lead to increasing debt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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