Weiser_Cain's Concepts

[nightcleaver]

Batman doesn't wear a chestplate.

Oh, come on.

 

You know, most artists have the trouble where they work so hard on something they forget to look at it in a fresh light. It DOES look sort of like batman, I don't give a rats ass if batman doesn't wear a chestplate.

 

 

It does look sort of like batman. It could be coincidence, but that's what it looks like. If you can't think of another way to do that look (I'll add some suggestions that might do that), don't bother, I'm sure it's fine.

 

You aren't a professional artist; your drawings have problems with them. I'm a musician, and people think I'm amazing or something; I, however, see plenty of problems with my playing, as would anyone with any sort of training. As do, after all, any of my music teachers.

 

A good 2nd year student might have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention a specific aspect of their tone that's wrong, and it's fine. It doesn't make that criticism any less true, though.

 

If you don't know what the heck people are talking about, try to figure it out but don't fret over it. From your drawings (no offense), it doesn't look like you've had any sort of chance at significant training. Have you gone to an art and design school yet? NO!! You haven't.

 

So there will be problems. I don't know that anyone giving you criticism has formal training either; they're doing their best to give you their feedback and help you along, and chances are that feedback won't be entirely accurate. Will you know or understand how they're wrong? No. You might as well use their feedback as hints to what IS wrong, though.

 

Maybe you just wanted everyone to pat you on the back for doing a good job, but that's not how the world works - you haven't had any training, and you asked for genuine feedback. If you still feel like arguing about this, you apparently never wanted genuine feedback, and you should make that clear or withdraw all mention of your drawings. It wouldn't be hard to do, after all; just delete the images in your posts.

 

I'm a good musician, but I have problems with my music; if I didn't see that, I'd never improve.

 

Saying that it looks like batman isn't necessarily a problem. In the game, you might forget that it looks anything like batman; I'm sure you have a certain style in mind, and did it just fine. If you could do that style and make it not look like batman to anyone, it would be good, but it's not necessary; especially, as I said, if you have no idea how to change that.

[Weiser_Cain]

...Ugly with skin tight clothing.

Sorry my polygons don't make you hot.

 

I simply pointed out your ridiculous character concept doesnt gel with star wars. I dont have any sourcebooks or any books on Boba Fett yet I still managed to see the obvious benefits a helmet with such abilities affords a soldier as whoever came up with boba Fett must have.

So let me get this right, you admittedly don't much about Star Wars. But you know enough to tell me I don't know what is or isn't Star Wars?

 

Also I didn't say give him a rocket launcher I said your big ridiculous gun is not going to be anystronger than that which means other characters can have just as much firepower without the cumbersome weight and restricted movement.

Common sense says that if you scale up a blaster to that size it just might do a little more damage than a hold-out blaster. If anything it's overpowered, but then mandalorians aren't exactly renown for their finesse. OK, I'll give to the point that a ninety pound weakling might have trouble picking the cannon up and moving it about. But this is Canderous we're talking about here. A mountain of a man, a brute that can aim, with a metal arm sporting a +2 strength bonus. Not to mention that the cannon is balanced at the handle so swinging it around isn't really a problem provided you can get it off the deck.

 

You just got done saying how stupid I am for suggesting things that have been done before. Like helmets.  And now use as an argument to defend yourself that ALL Jedi wear riding boots.

You are. When I design a character for anything I always try to follow certain patterns. Like say the fact that all jedi wear riding boots, or that (almost)all bad guys wear black. There were several things specific to Juhani to consider when I was doodling the now much maligned concept sketch. Since juhani is an established character, I thought it was best not to go my own way too much. So no skin. She wears footware in KOTOR, so she wears footwear in my concept. She was two lightsabers(that happen to feature pointed pommels) so I see no need for scratching foes. Juhani has a stealth aspect to her, this is another reason behind wearing all black, it's also the reason for the pointed pommels, they are more stealthy than ignighting a lightsaber and lopping heads off.

 

Okae Ill let you hit me in the head with a boot if I can have a tiger or lion slash your head afterwards (because Cathar do have claws on their feet and even if they didnt their paws still provide better balance to pivot, lunge and leap than a boot ever can) and we'll compare which is more effective. Of course youll be dead and Ill have a lump so you probably wont realize how ridiculous your argument is.

I was going to kick you in the head. If you can still get up and open the lions cage after I've kicked you head off you sholders, you deserve to win, though I'd like to point out that Juhani isn't as strong as a lion.

And anyway Juhani's connection to the force is a better aid to balance than bare feet.

 

As for the getting laid thing that was a joke about how little clothing male artists put on female characters in comics and video games. Or if they do put clothing on its always nice and tight leather/rubber to accentuate their body. I am not surprised you didn't get/cant take the joke. Im just over the every capable female dressing ultra revealing/ slutty. And so are many others. Bad comic book artists also like to put everyone in all black. I bet youre going to put Canderous in black armor arent you? Black isnt even the best color for camouflage at night. Dark gray is.

Nape to toe tweed is slutty? I've covered her breast and bum and she's in all black so it's hard to see anyway. Canderous is showing more skin and his clothes are just as tight if not more.

 

You can stop trying to defend your artwork now. You put it in a public forum to be enjoyed AND critiqued. If you cant handle it then don't put it up. But dont be surprised we dont all fall all over ourselves admiring your uninspired, mediocre artwork you can see a million places on the net.

Now you're just trying to be mean. I'm sharing, c&c is to be expected and when it is genuine I listen. You've flamed me more than anything.

 

Do you see devs/artists getting all worked up trying to defend themselves in the Mira topic talking about how ugly she looks up on Lucasarts. Or if I start another topic saying how ugly the entire game and concept art looks will the artists all come on here to defend themselves? Nope. They realize you cant please everyone. And of course they know they are actually good.

I actually know I'm good too. Did you ever notice how few devs even read the forums? Ever notice how they never show anything on the forums? Ever wonder why?

 

nightcleaver:

I'm sorry I don't see it. Maybe if I hadn't slept in a day or so and was hit in the head and eyes several times with a Ball pein hammer, but now...nope don't see it. You are right about one thing looking like Batman isn't bad.

 

Have you gone to an art and design school yet? NO!! You haven't.

But you are wrong about this, I actually have. Maybe you're not used to seeing concept art, It doesnt have to be perfect so long as you can understand what the concept was later. Look at the begining of the topic, when people have real criticism like pointing out the fact that her proportions are out of whack, I don't blow a gasket. I ask them what they mean.

[Weiser_Cain]

And to think I softened my responce...

[Shdy314]

Sorry my polygons don't make you hot.

Anyone that has paid any attention knows I am asking for things that would lower her sluttiness/sex appeal. And no, furry humanoid cats don't get me hot. You could be the best artist in the world but Im not a furry.

 

So let me get this right, you admittedly don't much about Star Wars. But you know enough to tell me I don't know what is or isn't Star Wars?

Another wonderfully asinine argument. I admited not spending any money on stupid sourcebooks. I still know more than you obviously Mr. Cybernetics are a major part of Star Wars! And of course a bionic eye is leet! Blah Blah. You are the one saying this IS star wars and I am simply pointing out other things that are star wars as well that make your concepts ludicrously dumb.

 

Common sense says that if you scale up a blaster to that size it just might do a little more damage than a hold-out blaster. If anything it's overpowered, but then mandalorians aren't exactly renown for their finesse. OK, I'll give to the point that a ninety pound weakling might have trouble picking the cannon up and moving it about. But this is Canderous we're talking about here. A mountain of a man, a brute that can aim, with a metal arm sporting a +2 strength bonus. Not to mention that the cannon is balanced at the handle so swinging it around isn't really a problem provided you can get it off the deck.

 

Common sense says you want as much firepower you can get in the smallest package you can get it. Big does NOT automatically = more power. Especially in the SW universe. I point only to Thermal Detonators. I have never once said anything to the effect that his big dumb arm covering blaster would be weak. I expect it packs quite a punch. Of course it also lacks any versatility whatsoever and is useless in close quarters combat which the Mandalorians are regularly involved in. Gee let me think. Do I want to go into battle with the wrist mounted rocket launcher that can fire multiple ordinances? Or a cannon? Despite what you may think the cannon is not the best choice and Canderous knows this. Its not about finesse. Its also not about weight though anyone that would choose a 90 pound weapon that is inferior to a lighter weapon is a moron. Id love to know how you think your gun is balanced at the handle. Swinging it around is a problem when your in a confined space or entering a room.

 

You are. When I design a character for anything I always try to follow certain patterns. Like say the fact that all jedi wear riding boots, or that (almost)all bad guys wear black. There were several things specific to Juhani to consider when I was doodling the now much maligned concept sketch. Since juhani is an established character, I thought it was best not to go my own way too much. So no skin. She wears footware in KOTOR, so she wears footwear in my concept. She was two lightsabers(that happen to feature pointed pommels) so I see no need for scratching foes. Juhani has a stealth aspect to her, this is another reason behind wearing all black, it's also the reason for the pointed pommels, they are more stealthy than ignighting a lightsaber and lopping heads off.

 

I am dumb for suggesting you stick with concepts that have been used before that are actually intelligent as opposed to your "NEW" (though not really new since your not the first bad artist/ little kid to give your man a big gun and bionic powers. I point you once agin to the six million dollar man as an example bionics has been done before) Did you ever think maybe those much more talented artists and devs and authors etc. maybe gave them those things because they would WORK and they are going for characters realistic to their settings?

 

I gave you 5 Jedi aliens (very important that you see aliens)including a cathar that do not wear boots. Did you go ahead and look at that Cathar in ToTJ? I doubt it. You seem utterly convinced you are right despite all the evidence Ive given to the contrary. Almost all bad guys wear black is a tired cliche. And Juhani is a villain now? You couldnt even bring her to the dark side. You didnt want to go your own way too much??? Well then whats the point? Might as well just leave Juhani as she is. If youre not going to put your spin on her we might as well just go with Juhani 1.0 than Juhani 1.01. Since kicks were a combat move in KOTOR that I saw Juahni use numerous times I dont see why she wouldnt want to slash her foes in addition to the blunt trauma. I also said specifically in my post black is (contrary to popular belief established by poor fantasy literature) NOT the best color to camouflage yourself in. Dark grey is.

 

I was going to kick you in the head. If you can still get up and open the lions cage after I've kicked you head off you sholders, you deserve to win, though I'd like to point out that Juhani isn't as strong as a lion.

And anyway Juhani's connection to the force is a better aid to balance than bare feet.

 

In the interest of fairness we would both be hit at the same time. I can guarantee you will not kick my head off my shoulders. Saying such belies your obvious chilidish knowledge on such things. You may knock me out. I can guarantee you will be very very lucky to survive a lion slashing your head open. Juhani is very strong. She has claws on her feet. Let her use them. Constant use of the force wears the Jedi out. Thus her superior balance and legs would give her a good advantage without using the force allowing her to use it for other things. Even if she did somehow use the force for balance it would give a nice bonus in addition to the superior balance of the balls of her feet. So why would she not want to use both? Unless shes an idiot too now.

 

Nape to toe tweed is slutty? I've covered her breast and bum and she's in all black so it's hard to see anyway. Canderous is showing more skin and his clothes are just as tight if not more.

Have you seen Batman and Robin (the movie) when alicia silverstone suits up? Shes covered head to toe too. Even a mask. Yet all her ..."feminine assets"... are very nicely... accentuated. Ive already mentioned my problems with Canderous. Obviously he should be wearing Mandalorian armor especially since you want to give him his Basilisk war droid back.

 

Now you're just trying to be mean. I'm sharing, c&c is to be expected and when it is genuine I listen. You've flamed me more than anything.

Not mean. Honest. If you dont want my opinion post your artwork in a public forum I frequent. Simple as that. When I post anything in here I accept that people are going to respond to it. Often negatively. C'est la vie. As for the flaming I havent flamed you. If you think I have go get a dev. A harsh critique of your artwork and some jokes do not equal flaming. It just equals you not capable of taking criticism. Whats your idea of construvtive criticism? Great job but Canderous bicep should be bigger? Thats not constructive criticism. Its not even criticism.

 

I actually know I'm good too. Did you ever notice how few devs even read the forums? Ever notice how they never show anything on the forums? Ever wonder why?

 

It must be nice to have such high self esteem. Makes me think of all those horrible American Idol auditions that think they are actually good. They dont show anything in the forums because we see their work all the time. And well see it in game. Unlike you they arent looking for pats on the backs because they know theyve got talent. Deep down inside I suspect you realize you arent that great. A lot of devs read the forums. At least as many as can reasonably be expected.

[Weiser_Cain]

Another wonderfully asinine argument. I admited not spending any money on stupid sourcebooks. I still know more than you obviously Mr. Cybernetics are a major part of Star Wars! And of course a bionic eye is leet! Blah Blah. You are the one saying this IS star wars and I am simply pointing out other things that are star wars as well that make your concepts ludicrously dumb.

So despite the fact that the main villian of the OT is a walking tin can, luke gets a new hand, one of the bounty hunters going after Solo is a cyborg, Cay Qel-Droma had a replacement arm, and Lobot has a fricking computer in his head, you still insist that cybernetics is some sort of super-rare-never-to-be-used-unless-the-great-one-GL-approves-it-himself thing?

 

Common sense says you want as much firepower you can get in the smallest package you can get it. Big does NOT automatically = more power. Especially in the SW universe. I point only to Thermal Detonators. I have never once said anything to the effect that his big dumb arm covering blaster would be weak. I expect it packs quite a punch. Of course it also lacks any versatility whatsoever and is useless in close quarters combat which the Mandalorians are regularly involved in. Gee let me think. Do I want to go into battle with the wrist mounted rocket launcher that can fire multiple ordinances? Or a cannon?

Big = More firepower because I say it does. Hate to point out the obvious but the topic is called Weiser_Cain's Concepts.

There you go on and on again about that rocket launcher. How exactly would she use that in close quarters? If Canderous blast someone at close range he might eat a little charred Wookiee. If you're beloved rocket chucking dame used that thing at close range she'd blow herself up. Your entire argument centers on the assumption that Canderous does all his fighting in school hallways and alleys. The man is walking artillery.

 

I am dumb for suggesting you stick with concepts that have been used before that are actually intelligent as opposed to your "NEW" (though not really new since your not the first bad artist/ little kid

Now I'm a bad artist and a little kid? I thought you were supposed to be pretending you weren't just being mean?

 

I gave you 5 Jedi aliens (very important that you see aliens)including a cathar that do not wear boots. Did you go ahead and look at that Cathar in ToTJ? I doubt it. You seem utterly convinced you are right despite all the evidence Ive given to the contrary.

I'm sorry I wasn't listening, I'm waiting for you to tell my why the hell Juhani would suddenly stop wearing boots.

 

 

If youre not going to put your spin on her we might as well just go with Juhani 1.0 than Juhani 1.01.

Actually if you hadn't noticed this isn't in suggestions, I never even tried to force any of this on you. At the most this will be a mod that you can choose not to download.

 

In the interest of fairness we would both be hit at the same time.

I never said anything about being fair, I said I'd like to kick your head in like a over ripe mellon.

 

Have you seen Batman and Robin (the movie) when alicia silverstone suits up?

Isn't that the one where they gave batman nipples? I either avoided that or violently repressed the memory of seeing such utter crap. Tell me you flamed warner brothers for making that. Or did you like that crap?

 

It must be nice to have such high self esteem.

It is.

Makes me think of all those horrible American Idol auditions that think they are actually good.

Again you do watch a lot of crap.

[ShinIchiro]

TO everyone saying that you want high firepower small package, that's not what canderous is about. He probably would go for the intimidation factor alone of having a huge gun.

[ShinIchiro]

Besides, support your arguments a little better than that instead of making fools of yourselfves if you desire to pursue this point so vehemently.

[Shdy314]

So despite the fact that the main villian of the OT is a walking tin can, luke gets a new hand, one of the bounty hunters going after Solo is a cyborg, Cay Qel-Droma had a replacement arm, and Lobot has a fricking computer in his head, you still insist that cybernetics is some sort of super-rare-never-to-be-used-unless-the-great-one-GL-approves-it-himself thing?

 

How many of those people had a bionic eye? And Lobot pays a heavy price for that computer. Luke getting his hand cut off doesnt mean cyborgs is a big part of SW just that they are used to replace limbs. Malak had the stupid mising mouth and special metal neck guard because KOTOR used the entire OT as inspiration for its story. Thus Malak resembled Vader with his special tinny, metallic voice. The way Vader had his breathing. Had nothing to do with cybernetics being a big part of SW.

 

Big = More firepower because I say it does. Hate to point out the obvious but the topic is called Weiser_Cain's Concepts.

There you go on and on again about that rocket launcher. How exactly would she use that in close quarters? If Canderous blast someone at close range he might eat a little charred Wookiee. If you're beloved rocket chucking dame used that thing at close range she'd blow herself up. Your entire argument centers on the assumption that Canderous does all his fighting in school hallways and alleys. The man is walking artillery.

Oh you say it does. Great argument. Id use it if that wasnt utter crap. The topic is indeed called weiser cain's concepts. Has nothing to do with anything. You keep missing the point of the rocket launcher the point is that she has the same amount of fire power as Canderous for a fraction of the size and weight. Canderous cant use his gun in close quarters anymore than she can. I also pointed out her launcher has multiple ordinances. She doesnt have to fire concussion rockets in close quarters. She can switch to tranq darts for example. Canderous has no such versatility with that thing. My argument centers on pointing out that big does not equal BETTER or more powerful in SW. It also is based on the fact that in KOTOR you did plenty of fighting in hallways and rooms etc.

 

He's walking artillery. His gun is never going to be as good as real artillery. Or a vehicle with a gun mounted on it. Which would make him useless. War is about speed. Remember Canderous' description of riding his basilisk war droid into combat.

 

Now I'm a bad artist and a little kid? I thought you were supposed to be pretending you weren't just being mean?

Im not being mean. Just honest. Let's see if anyone in KOTOR2 has some really tired bionic eye super big gun bs. He might as well be a droideka. Thats what youre trying to make him but hell never be as good as a droideka.

 

I'm sorry I wasn't listening, I'm waiting for you to tell my why the hell Juhani would suddenly stop wearing boots.

Well if you werent listening how can you claim any sort of superior argument. I told you many times but if you just aint listening then of course I can see how youd think youre right. Ok one more time.

 

1. Many Jedi aliens do not wear boots. Juhani is a Jedi alien.

2. Cathar Jedi in ToTJ do not wear boots. Juhani is a Cathar Jedi within the same time frame.

3. Cathar have claws on their feet and wide paws for superior balance. Both of these things are very useful in combat with a lightsaber especially considering the kicking that was a combat move in KOTOR.

 

These 3 points are very important. But if you want to keep Juhani in boots oh well. You can keep churning out 15 year old crap thats been seen/done a million times before. Oh all black, rubber, chestplate. Boy thats so kewl! Its rather funny. Terry Pratchet is the only author who makes fun of this tired untrue fantasy cliche where the best color for stealth is black. And he's not a real fantasy author. He is a satirist.

 

Actually if you hadn't noticed this isn't in suggestions, I never even tried to force any of this on you. At the most this will be a mod that you can choose not to download.

I never said you forced anything on me. I just said if youre going to post mediocre artwork on a public forum be prepared for serious criticism.

 

I never said anything about being fair, I said I'd like to kick your head in like a over ripe mellon.

Ah so it was a threat. Thats a serious infraction against board policy. Dont worry I wont go get a mod. Unlike you Im not a little baby who takes message forums too seriously.

 

Isn't that the one where they gave batman nipples? I either avoided that or violently repressed the memory of seeing such utter crap. Tell me you flamed warner brothers for making that. Or did you like that crap?

How funny is this! Call the movie crap then steal their look and say it ISNT crap!

 

Again you do watch a lot of crap.

Yep. Not because I want to though. Just because a lot of stuff is. So you can imagine my disgust when I looked in this topic and saw even more crap. Crap dealing with a game I dont find to be crappy at all.

 

I notice you didnt respond to all of my post. Most likely because you didnt want to juxtapose your crappy argument right after the many points I made. Very weak.

[Shdy314]

TO everyone saying that you want high firepower small package, that's not what canderous is about. He probably would go for the intimidation factor alone of having a huge gun.

Spoken like someone that doesn't know what their talking about. Have you used guns before? You think someone is MORE afraid if you point an AK-47 at their head instead of a 9mm? No. Both are just as scary. Of course I am assuming a very close range where missing is virtually impossible. It all depends on the situation and what the gun can do NOT the size of the gun.

 

If we also take into account the relatively slow firing rate of most weapons in SW this big thing probably does not fire very fast. Thats a big disadvantage. He gets one shot where others may get 3. Volume saturation is important in combat. If you want artillery use REAL artillery and give Canderous useful ground combat equipment. Look at real life. Do we strap vulcan machine guns to our ground troops? No. It'd be dumb.

 

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=11...36F362&set_id=1

Here is what the Army is striving to one day put their troops in. Do you see them carrying big stupid guns in that picture? Of course not. If you need the firepower of a vulcan machine gun you dont send in troops. Before any stupid fools jump at this to say SW isnt reality it is a fantasy world with all the same physics and battle situations etc as our own. Im also not saying this is what SW troops would use since there are shields and such but that they would use the futuristic equivalents. Look at the clone troopers. I hate the movie but I love watching the clone troopers. They do a good job like real mobile infantry. Not exact of course.

 

Is this a nice enough argument for you or have I made myself look foolish again?

[ShinIchiro]

Good point. Still, have you seen Canderous walking up with this masive ordo's repeating rifle. He sort of pats it and is very intimidating. Btw, Canderous also seems to act the part of a stereotypical muscle head even though he doesn't think like one. ALso a classic Sci-fi theme (almost a rule) is that the tough guys who are very confident use big guns. Its a classic.

[Shdy314]

Good point. Still, have you seen Canderous walking up with this masive ordo's repeating rifle. He sort of pats it and is very intimidating. Btw, Canderous also seems to act the part of a stereotypical muscle head even though he doesn't think like one. ALso a classic Sci-fi theme (almost a rule) is that the tough guys who are very confident use big guns. Its a classic.

His repeating blaster does have a place in combat. Its like a M249 SAW.

http://www.casesbypelican.com/military/m249.htm

 

In case you didnt realize though even fully upgraded it was useless compared to other upgradeable blaster rifles. And it still wasnt the ridiculous cannon Weiser gave him.

 

Youre right they made him an intelligent tactician and then also made him appear to be some dumb musclehead. But the muscle head thing has been done to death and who needs that?

 

It is "classic" to have a big gun for your tough guy character. So classic its now just a tired stupid cliche that never made sense in the first place. So why continue it?

[Kdy-worker 1138]

Actually if you look in the PnP core rulebook (just got them all for free..did i mention that? ) you will see that he is actually using a bloddy E-web blaster cannon....well they look the same .

[Shdy314]

Actually if you look in the PnP core rulebook (just got them all for free..did i mention that? ) you will see that he is actually using a bloddy E-web blaster cannon....well they look the same .

http://bruce.kus-numa.net/lego/starwars/eweb.html

Like this?

 

An E-web blaster cannon is stationary. Its purpose would be to lay down massive amounts of cover fire. It doesnt shoot fast enough though in the movies. So its only purpose must be to take out vehicles. Even if it could be lightened and adapted to be carried on a single arm itd be little different than carrying a bazooka. If you are solo you would not carry such a specialized weapon to the exclusion of others. In a team it can be useful. To cover a retreat for example. Still look at my link to the future soldier concept.

[Kdy-worker 1138]

Yeah thats the one...only in the PnP books it looks exacly like canderus pop gun.

 

Edit :page 135 in the core rule book.

[ShinIchiro]

The muscleheadish character is a classic throwback to old sci-fi movies. Otehr classics include the quirky alien, the old man, and the strange droid(s).

[Craigboy2]

come on weiser!!!!! I want to see more 3-d images of your verson of the future juhani

[ShinIchiro]

as do I. I would also like to see other characters. Plz.

[darth_spaz]

Weiser, Leave the hair. Maybe add a little color to the outfit, Make her lips a little less red, and you're doing a good job.

[Exitium]

If you think he's doing a good job you have absolutely no taste in art. Go to www.cgtalk.com and see some real art. Lol "good job". Yeah, good one.

[darth_spaz]

I stand by my earlier post.

[Shdy314]

I stand by my earlier post.

Then obviously you didn't check out Exitiums site reference.

[OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN]

Obviously...good site Exitium!

[darth_spaz]

I did a quick browse over it. I just Look at one thing and say, "ok, now that's good, so this can't be good". I liked the drawings on the website, I liked Weiser's drawings too, YES!!! It can happen!!! You CAN like 2 things at once.

[Exitium]

You have no taste at all. Feel ashamed. Very ashamed.

[OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN]