The point I was trying to throw to someone's face, was that seeing the direction the biz is headed I doubt we'll be able to look back at Deus Ex or Thief or say...Planescape(as I seem to be labeled as a fan) and call their enviroments plastic anytime soon. Sure, there's some promise, like fer instance Oblivion or SoC, but those games don't sell. Needforspeeds and dancing games do.