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Yes, and I think he made a decent job on ESB but the true genius behind SW/ESB still are George Lucas, John Barry, Norman Reynolds, Roger Christian, Leslie Dilley, Michael Ford, Harry Lange, Alan Tomkins, Lawrence Kasdan, Leigh Brackett and the complete FX Crew. If you remove all of them you get someone who did Never say Never, Seaquest (Pilot) and Robocop 2. Probably his "The Flim-Flam Man" was as good as ESB, I dont know never seen it.

I think Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett indeed saved the Star Wars sequels. D.W. Peoples also is a good writer, but which parts on ROJ was written by him (since he was uncredited)? Kershner and Marquand are medicore directors like Lucas. Lucas seems more interested on the technical aspect of a movie then the principal shoots with the actors. I think he should best stick as a producer and story writer. But screenplay and direction isnt really his big thing.

Genres got mixed over the time, but that isnt anything new finding elements from classic adventures in RGP since the middle of 90's. Take Eye of the Beholder in context with Diablo and not with Baldurs Gate and you will see the core elements are still the same. When I play Buck Rogers from 1990 I still have the same fun as when I play Kotor. Take a classic which hasent evolve over years and is played more than every other game sold in 2004....Windows Solitair. I dont care if the game is from whatever year, at the end all of the games no matter how good they are, they are just neat timekillers.

@Shadowstrider Your explanation is too simple to me for two reasons: Reason 1) You said games has advance over the time, and this is true in terms of graphic, music and complexity. But this is not the why a game was fun or not. In this case movies have also advance cause of cgi. The kids from my brother love to play Bubble Bobble on a C64 Emulator, while they also have fun playing the latest Age of Empires. Reason 2) You completely blank out the emotional link. In 5 years most teen/kids wouldnt touch a Fallout, a Baldurs Gate or a Kotor either. But I think in 5 years you probable will replay a Fallout cause you remember it were good and you like it even its far behind the standards of a game in 2010.

Started 1986 with a Commodore 64. My favorite back then were International Karate / IK+, The Last Ninja, Fist II, Barbarian 1+2, California Games, World Games, Winter Games, Labyrinth, Maniac Mansion, Zak Mckracken, BC's Quest for Tires I+II, Beach Head II, Blue Max, Boulder Dash, Bubble Bobble, Defender of the crown, Dino Eggs, Ghostbusters, G.I. Joe, Great Giana Sisters, Impossible Mission I+II, Little Computer People, Mr. Do's Castle, Park Patrol, Paradroid, Pitfall II, Spy vs. Spy II+III, Test Drive I+II and Wizball Between 1989 - 1995 Ive got an Amiga 500/1200/CD32, there were also a lot of games I liked: APB, Another World (Out of this World), Bar Games, Batman: The Movie, Battle Chess, Battle Squadron, Beach Volley, Beneath a Steel Sky, Bermuda Project, Biing!: Sex, Intrigue and Scalpels, Bio Challenge, Bobo, Bombuzal, Buck Rogers, Captain Blood, Chambers of Shaolin, Champions of Krynn, Dune 1+2, Dungeon Master, Frontier: Elite 2, Future Wars, Gobliiins I+II+III, Grand Monster Slam, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade: The Graphic Adventure, It Came from the Desert, James Pond 2: Codename: RoboCod, Loom, Lure of the Temptress, Mad TV, Menace, Mega lo Mania, Millenium 2.2, Monkey Island 1+2, Ooze: Creepy Nites, Pac-Mania, Panza Kick Boxing, Paradroid 90, Pinball Dreams + Pinball Fantasies + Pinball Illusions, Populous, Ports of Call, Rockstar Ate My Hamster, Sensible Soccer, Shadow of the Beast, SimCity, Space Quest III: The Pirates of Pestulon, Space Quest II: Chapter II: Vohaul's Revenge, Speedball, Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe, Wings and X-COM: UFO Defense. Between 95-Now, I got my PC and I got my first job and so on, well not much time anymore for playing but I still remind and highlight. Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Day of the Tentacle, The Dig, Monkey Island 3, C&C, Legends of Kyrandia 2+3, Command & Conquer, Fallout 1+2, Planescape: Torment, Unreal Tournament, Grim Fandango, Leisure Suit Larry 7, Baldurs Gate 2, Blade Runner and Kotor. Okay that was enough, I think.

Thats true, but CRGP's have much more facet's than an old style adventure game. So its okay to discuss about TB/RT.

Make it three. I go with mEtalLL1x opinion, as long as it suits the game. I loved TB in Fallout or SSI's Buck Rogers but RT in FOT or Baldurs Gate were okay to me too. What about a TB system which switch to RT on easy fights, for example player and NCP's are on much higher level than the the enemy and it is sure you will win the the fight without any hard loss. Just an idea.

Hi mkreku! Couldn't tell, played Morrowind just for about half an hour. But I heard bad things in case of bugged software too. Therefore joining their programming skills would probably leave to a game which main quest is it to get it running by selfmade patches. By the way, looked for Gothic in the stores here, just found Gothic 2. No Gothic 1. 8S

If Bethesda would pick up the core Troika members (Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky and Jason D. Anderson), that would indeed rise my hope for a decent Fallout 3.....as long they are hired mainly as designers and not as programmers.

I think its also a matter of budget, if a software studio isnt get paid from a publisher to do a patch, they probable dont write one. Therefore I think if Activision didnt pay a dollar more on Troika, they didnt really work in their "extra time" on Vampire Bloodlines. Or do you work a month or two for your firm for free? It's not a fact, It's just what I think.

Same situation with starcraft here, but wouldnt say I dont like it, but I prefer the C&C series. I'm also with you in terms of Fallout, but I missed the better NPC handling from Fallout 2. I wish Troika could redo (not completely remake) and polish Fallout 1+2 a little (fix broken quests, adding new stuff etc.).

No question about it.

Iam absolutely with you in that case! It was the delicious bugs recipe you mention before.

Okay, I will remember this next time I went to a computer market. Iam sure its available for cheap price today.....or should I probably give Wasteland a try before?

Well, torwards the end it was too heavy set on action imho. What especially didnt you like in that parts? What me really pisses off in sabbat's lair was that SPOILER SPOILER Danke f

Maybe I give it a try, Ive seen it have some neat graphics too. I would probably play Gothic 2 or would you recommend try Gothic 1 before?

True, True. You see where the arrow is pointing in the Troika logo? Faaaar away from "Code". Nah, I like their games anyway.

You missed my point, but then again take out the same point in your post. When I buy a game on release date and you are not able the play the game to the end only via patches/hacks or console commands something went wrong. It would be okay If I was an beta player but I was not. Iam not the kind of person who stop playing and wait weeks for fanpatches/offical patches and continue playing.

Have no problem with it, since I often wait for the first patch before playing a complex rgp game. Also would be nice to see that they do more polish to the game based on the feedback they got from the X-Box version.

Hehe, yep I admit I never played it. But iam not really into fantasy so there's sure a lot of good RGP I missed in the genre. Whats so special on Gothic?

To answer the main question: 1. Fallout - It was rather short but I loved pretty much every bit of it. 2. Fallout 2 - Much more of the same and enhanced, but in terms of storyline and atmosphere I like Fallout 1 better. 3. Baldurs Gate 2 - One of the few fantasy RGP I really like. ------------------------------------------------------ With all RGP games I played the last 5 years. 1. Fallout 2. Kotor 3. Fallout 2 4. Planescape: Torment 5. Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday 5. Baldurs Gate 2 6. Vampire: Bloodlines 7. Arcanum 8. Icewind Dale 2 9. Temple of Elemental Evil

Well its nearly ten years ago, a time I thought Lucas Arts can do no wrong. Better left forgotten, or should I try it again now?

I played Kotor first time with patch version 1.02 or 1.03 I think, so more or less I played very well thru. Bugs can be annoying but you get really angry like in recent Vampire Bloodlines, when the game crashes on a certain point in the game and there isnt any patch available. Also with Aliens: A Comic Book Adventure. This game crashed on cd2 and I didnt have Internet back then (1995), I remember I get the update from a BBS Mailbox.

I played Kotor twice, one time as Wur-Jo Tryvin (male) and the second time as Petra Geilarsch (female).

Back in 1990 my parents let me choose a computergame for christmas, I choose "Coporation" for my Amiga 500 cause it got an awesome review in the game magazine I read those days. Boy was I disappointed. http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,1487 Also Mad TV 2, I really tried to like it...but I couldnt. http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,3819 Also pretty dissapointed I was with Lucas Arts Afterlife. http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,202 and even if was not that bad, Monkey Island 4. http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,3/gameId,2606