Gromnir

you and your parade o' horribles. 'course we already addressed your concern. will repeat. even if we assume unlikely situation hillary were so stoopid and corrupt as to overt request election help from a foreign power, have situation play out exact same, albeit with different actors. change one small detail, which in light o' history is actual the likely situation: house o' representatives in 2019 is narrow republican control. with what woulda' been a narrow victory over an unpopular trump, trying to swing the House in midterms woulda' been a challenge for hillary. every national failure woulda' been blamed on hillary and as is typical with a relative unpopular President at midterms, the opposing party wins seats. so republican controlled house needs decide whether to impeach hillary for election interference and overt obstructionist behaviour? any chance such fails to get a majority when President hillary were so obvious 'bout it... plus her efforts to bury the IG report to Congress woulda' been enough to get her metaphorical keel-hauled by an unfriendly House. predict for us what happens in the Senate when articles o' impeachment from House arrive condemning hillary o' high crimes and misdemeanors? what is chances mitch and other republicans is convinced by procedural issues to ignore the threat o' a President open hostile to rule o' law with an upcoming election in 2020? imagine a President hillary and same mistakes as trump exposes the hypocrisy o' trump supporters if they is being at all honest. oh, and somehow assume all same mistakes and hillary never survives mueller. never. however, even with the fever dream silliness gd regular embraces, we don't see hillary or any other major candidate who were running in 2016 indulging in the buffoonery and criminality as has this chief executive. every other candidate, even the overt mercenary ones such as cruz, had some level o' respect for the office o' President and for the nation as a whole. there is a gravitas which comes with the office and while many Presidents fail to live up to standards set by predecessors, we has had extreme few Presidents who were narcissistic and ignorant. we have had fools as chief executive. we have had borderline tyrants. we has had men who we might even wanna label as evil, whatever that means. even so, if you do not see trump as different after three years o' constant lies and attacks on the Constitution, you never will... which is exact why we says people should be specific. "no matter who wins," is unconvincing and cheap. compare specifics and you cannot help but see how different is trump. did obama, for example, attack the media unfairly? sure as hell did and we called him out for doing so. go after fox guys you don't like specific 'cause you don't like? were wrong then as would be today. but compare obama's attacks on the media to trump is representing a difference in scope we never coulda' predicted in 2016. so no, we would not be in same situation with a democrat President. and no, the choice 'tween trump v. anybody is NOT pointless. yeah, Congress and local should be our bigger focus in this nation, but is not a pointless choice unless you ignore reality complete and instead rely on sweeping generalizations which you somehow validate with the unique and aberrational narcissism and ineptitude o' trump. HA! Good Fun!

that's fine. call 'em out if you see hypocrisy, though your vagueness fails. specific is good. for instance, point to actual instances where dems who during trump impeachment were excoriating trump for arguments schumer and others were making when bill were on trial and we would support you 100%. call out the wrong. however, doesn't make better 'cause more people is doing the wrong. cheap dodge. HA! Good Fun!

wasn't us, but any excuse for more tina weymouth bass is appreciated. HA! Good Fun!

we all know this ain't comrade master's first board incarnation, but how does board software intuit? kid. we kid. and to stay on-topic, good news for those who pre ordered the bolton book, a judge is not granting the government request for injunctive relief. also, while am supporting geoffrey berman, he can't remain as us attorney boss for sdny if Trump fires him. barr can't fire berman, and am disturbed (but unsurprised) that barr would lie 'bout berman "stepping down," but no statutory defense is gonna hold up for very long when we are talking 'bout specific article 2 powers. even so, berman may do as trump has done so frequent in past and use the legal system to delay what is otherwise inevitable. regardless, am utter baffled by the the trump supporters who defend the President and his cronies when is so clear the President flaunts rule o' law and any American notions o' justice. President fires the guy investigating the President, even if legal, should be a kick in the shorts o'... everybody. how is this not more troubling to trump supporters? if President hillary did same f'ing thing, firing a US attorney investigating her business/foundation/allies and then lied 'bout it, imagine the reaction from some o' our boardie trump supporters. is not 'bout trump. shouldn't be. HA! Good Fun!

kinda unrelated, but am reminded that james cromwell is a criminal underappreciated actor. if you only saw him in babe or nerds or some movie or show where he is playing the supportive grandpa/father figure, you probable think o' him much different than does Gromnir. few actors bring the menace as does cromwell. clear has range. is also worth noting cromwell is a big-time supporter o' peta and animal rights issues. he were arrested a few years ago 'cause some university lab were breeding canines with ms or md or some disease with an M in its acronym/abbreviation. cromwell shows up at regents meeting to protest. he also protests horse racing as blood sport and all kinda other animal stuff. so am guessing cromwell has a softer side in rl. oh, and for shady in particular, am recalling some bit o' trivia which claimed ~fiveish star trek credits for cromwell, plus his wife and daughter also have star trek credits. regardless, we see cromwell playing nerd dad and all we can think o' is, "hush, hush." HA! Good Fun!

on that point you get zero argument from us. HA! Good Fun!

not sure if we agree with hoon, but we do know billy taylor's song, penned in 1963, feels powerful and disturbing appropriate today. 1763? 1863? when does it finally change? am no longer sure what some folks mean by racist or racism. doesn't matter though. we want this song to be a joyful anachronism by 2063. too much to ask? HA! Good Fun! ps a couple days past we mentioned how little it took to make anything relevant, yes? just had a weird brain hiccup and recalled jeff goldblum did billy taylor's song on his jazz album. coincidental, jeff goldblum were once on sesame street, as bob's brother. minneapolis johnson. and thus ends yet another Gromnir autism moment.

speaking o' quincy jones, and am knowing is weird, but is possible our favorite kill bill moment were when we first heard the ironside sirens sound in tarantino's flick. were just too cool. HA! Good Fun! ps full disclosure: we prefered mr. jones' sanford and son theme to ironside.

which is why we recent had people buying toilet paper enough to last a year and eggs in bulk they had no chance o' consuming before they became dubious fresh. your nervousness and need for agency, on a large scale, leads to toilet paper shortages and literal many thousands o' complete avoidable handgun related deaths a year. oh, and if you carried around a fire extinguisher in case o' potential fires, or wore a suit o' faraday cage armour in case o' being struck by lightning, people would perhaps chuckle at your paranoia, but that would be the end o' the conversation. sadly, you ain't carrying around a single-purpose tool meant to extinguish fires. you is carrying a single-purpose tool which is designed to serious injure/kill. accident happens and the mess you clean up isn't just foam but is blood. will spend the rest o' your life cleaning up a handgun accident. even with best training, mistakes happen, and unlike the pens we mentioned earlier, when an ardent gun wielder has their weapon "sudden go off" or in the dark they accidental shoot the 14-year old in a hoodie, carrying a lethal weapon to protect 'gainst infinitesimal small dangers when the statistic chance o' accidents is far higher, will be small consolation. gd is concerned 'bout a whole lot and seems like the crazy world is not paying attention to his rational fears. am not gonna convince gd if all the statistics, which in almost any other situation gd would find compelling, don't dent his resolve. gd knows handgun ownership is, by any statistic measure, dangerous and has a disturbing high chance o' leading to accident. regardless, the world is outta control-- just look at the news, right? gd sees a world gone crazy and the handgun on his person is one o' the few options he possesses to prevent the insanity o' the masses from affecting him in all those ways his imagination tells him is possible and increasing likely. well, at least we can both agree medicine dan is not looking at same economic numbers and debt totals as is Gromnir and gd. unfortunate a handgun won't save gd from the US economic stoopidity o' the last decade or two, although the last three years has been particular wanton and capricious. somebody wanna tell us where all the republicans preaching fiscal responsibility has gone? we loved you guys. heck, we were one o' you... though we always thought it were were kinda weird to get lectures 'bout fiscal responsibility and prudence from folks sipping single-malt and smoking $50 cigars at a club with initiation dues o' +$200k. HA! Good Fun!

to be fair, it's three times in two months the same vid were posted, not three times since august of last year. we mention 'cause while is not unusual for repeats to happen in long threads, is curious to get three so close together. three since april 19. HA! Good Fun!

everybody who ever died 'cause o' their handgun ownership were certain the statistics did not apply to them. each corpse were the exception, until they became a statistic. and you don't really believe that in a high pressure situation informing a police officer you is armed will significant decrease your odds o' getting shot, do you? is better than cops discovering during a search incident to arrest, but c'mon man. *shrug* is one issue we know gd will not budge regarding, and neither will many thousands o' americans each year who will kill selves or others, or be killed by others. is too many gds who would otherwise be alive but for handgun ownership. so no, you ain't alone in getting all panicky and wanting to carry a weapon to protect yourself and stuff during a time o' crisis. too bad. HA! Good Fun!

ironic, meatloaf had dropped a whole bunch o' weight previous to his fight club role, and he were wearing a fat suit throughout the film. is actual one scene, which didn't get edited, where you may see meatloaf with his pants falling down and he needs pull 'em back over his foamy suit. also, in spite o' being much shorter than edward norton, he towers over ed in that scene. movie "magic." still hope. @Hurlshot from our pov, the only reason for swimming in the waters o' san francisco bay is no longer valid: escape alcatraz. those waters is having sharks and is brutal cold. 'least near half moon bay you got great surf. regardless, congrats on the mixed blessing o' your newfound vigor and "health." HA! Good Fun!

am hesitating to mention, but seems as if you has developed an increasing number o' peculiar and unfortunate health concerns since taking up serious fitness. no doubt the uptick is correlative, but... HA! Good Fun!

you o' all folks know how statistical you has significantly increased the likelihood o' your own death and injury by carrying such a weapon, but every handgun toting person seems to believe the folks responsible for such numbers is untrained or ignorant, so... regardless, if you do care 'bout gd's life, smart money is to ditch the handgun asap. HA! Good Fun! ps particular as gd referenced "these days," death by cop numbers multiple by a factor o' ten if the unnecessary corpse were armed. regardless o' race, you is statistical more likely to die from a pen/marker than a cop... unless you are armed.

on the positive side, if they ever do a stage show o' fight club, (five minutes from now somebody will perhaps inform us there is such a thing... maybe even an ice show?) you got an inroad for playing meatloaf's part. warning: first rule in death, a member of project mayhem has a name. fare thee well azdeus. fare the well. HA! Good Fun!

we hesitated to mention as we much enjoy the play for change, song around the world treatment o' the doobie brothers, but is literal the third time since page 11 o' this thread the same vid/song has been linked. what the hell, we may be repeating self, but the drummer in the play for change song liked by orogun is the inestimable and preternaturally funky james gadson. any excuse for more bill withers and/or james gadson is welcomed. HA! Good Fun!

just a heads up: the comrade board character, which am dubious as to legitimacy, is a cartoonish level ideologue. his/her posting strikes us as disingenuous and am suspecting the post you respond to is just one o' many offerings which function as a kinda inside joke, so far played out in +300 segments, only the poster gets. alternative, he/she is a genuine cartoony ideologue. decide for self which alternative is less worthy o' serious response. HA! Good Fun!

our favorite author is james joyce and we didn't honest finish ulysses until we were compelled to read complete as part o' a class at university. even today am willing to admit we dislike ulysses to a point which approaches loathing. have read ulysses a total o' three times and each were more excruciating than the last. dune were not so punishing for us as joyce's magnum opus, but by midway through the third dune book, mr. herbert had exhausted all the good will he built up with us as a reader o' earlier works. am not certain why we eventual read white plague after the complete and total nightmare which were children. kinda glad we did soldier on with herbert 'cause while the prose and characters were utter pedestrian in herbert's book 'bout terrorists unleashing a bioweapon targeting human fertility, it were conceptual intriguing enough to be worth the slog. HA! Good Fun!

isn't there something on the order o' 200 three stooges films, which has neither laugh track or crowd noise, though sound effects were added. if wwe is experimental theatre, that particular experiment started in the 1920s. whatever is wwe, the stooges did it earlier and better, though late 20th and early 21st century versions has added well-oiled actors in bathing suits, so there is that. ... clearly Gromnir is not the target audience o' wwe. HA! Good Fun! ps am s'posing punch and judy came much earlier, but they did indeed play to live crowds back in the 17th century, or perhaps even 16th?

am also glad to hear shady's dad recovers, but am thinking we is kinda simpatico on not wanting to go to a hospital if we get covid-19, particular if we feel we require breathing assistance. we do not wanna go thorough interminable er triage only to discover there is little the med folks may do for us save make us feel more comfortable, which is actual impractical given a few o' our medication issues. am having a hard time seeing our self consent to a ventilator. so... hospitals is not too strained here in norcal at the moment, but if they become such, am certain gonna be less likely to go to hospital even for potential life saving measures. given a few o' our health issues, we has had a pretty good run. all things considered, am less afraid o' death than am o' dying in a hospital. will opt for the "dad move" if such a situation arises. HA! Good Fun!

another argument nobody here made. who is blaming all cops? a few folks has suggested cop job attracts wrong persons, but nobody has suggested all cops is guilty for the actions o' those who done wrong in minneapolis and elsewhere. too many bad cops? too much violence? not anywhere near same as all guilty. blm and antifa is same "crap pile"? so, no longer concerned 'bout fairness, eh? blm and antifa is all same and anybody who supports any aspect o' either group fails vol's weird racism test? vol may not be as clever as loki, but he got same smell. but since am posting movie clips, give dc a shot. at the beginning o' june, bolton was nobody to anybody. on the right he were all too often seen as the weak link who trump jettisoned from the wh and on left bolton were viewed as a coward who, when the moment came for him to show his mettle, he cowered behind a subpoena which were not actual forthcoming. however, with legal action taken by doj, bolton is getting new life. is nothing with which trump and barr may threaten bolton. transform bolton form an ordinary clown into the joker? no way. HA! Good Fun!

so, you are retreating to a trumplike, "some people say," defense o' an argument nobody hereabouts made? you are using the vol transitive property for argumentation? conflating blm and antifa is a nice trick too, but notion you is justified in knocking the stuffing outta an argument some rando yutz somewhere in cyberspace made 'cause those unnamed clowns has affiliation to otherwise diverse groups and such groups has found support 'mongst a few obsidian board members? ... well, ok then. HA! Good Fun!

as an aside, am not certain what barr and trump is doing with their case 'gainst bolton, other than working as free publicity and making the book more salacious than it has any chance o' being for reals. am predicting the book underwhelms, 'cause in spite o' pre-release sales pitches, bolton has taken great efforts to maintain his tarnished standing w/i the gop in spite o' the trump fallout. "any system of prior restraints of expression comes to this Court bearing a heavy presumption against its constitutional validity." you youngsters feel free to do a search for "pentagon papers" case. regardless, Court gave a hearty fu to government attempt to suppress so-called harmful and libelous material, even when government made claims o' the substance o' the publication being otherwise classified material. the doj and trump is punching way above their weight class in this battle. oh, and while it garnered less attention, there were a legal kerfuffle for chris simms and his publication efforts o' team of vipers. barr suggesting the current situation is a novel issue o' law requires him have memento kinda recollection impairment as vipers were a 2019 publication. find a trump sympathetic judge who wants to review the entirety o' the work in camera and perhaps we see a short delay, but is tough to imagine the publication o' bolton's book is prevented. all trump and barr has done has made it so that those folks who were angry at bolton for not testifying at impeachment and were likely gonna boycott his book, now is gonna be doing anything they may to get their mitts on the work as soon as it becomes available. HA! Good Fun! ps pentagon papers were 1971, so were kinda before time which we were reading nyt articles on a regular basis... full disclosure.

is good to know you are here to defend against an argument nobody has made on these boards, least not that we may recall. am thinking "potential misleading " is a bit o' an understatement, but regardless, folks now have the actual table and data from which to be drawing their conclusions. HA! Good Fun!

agreed. nevertheless, is one o' the many less than obvious costs of fixing US busted health care. regardless, question were asked 'bout how we got to this improbable place and answer is less sinister than some may imagine, but worse 'cause it is everyday ordinary. US income disparity got worse and fewer people were able to pay hospital bills. indigent population got worse, but not so significant as to cause a serious need to shift billing. accounting logic had hospitals raising prices o' procedures to help cover losses from previous unpaid bills, which common sense predictable led to even more folks failing to be able to pay hospital bills and yet hospitals continued with same busted logic in an attempt to stay ahead o' the debt. so now we got this improbable bloated system which is nevertheless seeming self-sustaining. obvious there will be a breaking point, but we ain't quite hit it. shady is correct in that something needs change sooner. problem is the fix is gonna be bad for a whole lotta people regardless o' what efforts is taken to mitigate, and there is not enough discussion 'bout mitigation efforts. charlie fox. HA! Good Fun!