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Oooooooo! A cover of Yazoo! Here's some of the real stuff: Can't recommend this album enough. Some of Vince Clark's best.

Using 'conspiracy theorist' as a pejorative is about as sure a sign as there is of having a closed limited thinking mind filled with stuff dictated to you by others (aka: brainwashed). If you actually use your mind to think, you'll realize how stupid it is use that phrase so. As for the legal things Assange might face? Hurlshot has a very simplistic and jaded view of the legal system, and is likely incorrect in regards to what would happen to Assange. What he describes is the exception, not the rule, though it is a commonly perceived misconception when it comes to criminal or other trials. Of course reinforced on the laymen by mass media such as the very talk shows he refers to. What would happen would depend to a large degree on the political environment at the time, as would what would happen to Snowden if he ended up in the U.S. again. There are definitely very powerful people that would like to get their hands on both of them and 'make them pay'. And if they did they would likely not let Assange or Snowden see a fair trial in the light of day, or even the light of day itself. Both would likely be looking at a trial unlike what most U.S. citizens are used to seeing on 'Court TV' or some other such thing. The trials would likely be more akin to what Bradley Manning or Zacarias Moussaoui faced. The chances of Assange ever making the talk show circuit in the U.S. is extremely slim; probably about as good as my chances of winning the 100+ million dollar jackpot in the Mega-millions lottery this week. But really, this is something that will depend a lot on public perception and what's going on in the world at the time it happens. Though I think it's a safe bet that neither Assange nor Snowden would have a good time if they ended up in the U.S. again as things currently are. It would likely take a pardon, which our current president and the perennial likely candidates for that office are unlikely to give, for Snowden or Assange to ever enjoy themselves freely on U.S. soil. And that's not something that is going to happen as things currently are. Though there is slow growing awakening amongst the populace that it should (in large part due to the efforts of Assange, Snowden, and others like them).

Trials and democracy have as much to do with one another as trials and monarchies or trials and communism. Even so. If I were in another nation, and accused erroneously of sexual assault or anything else after I left, I wouldn't give a flying floob about going back to said nation to stand trial or anything else. Nor would I begrudge anyone else who wouldn't. Especially if that nation's laws regarding what actually is a crime are dubious, and especially if that nation is really just after me to to extradite me to another nation of which I am not nor ever have been a citizen, that wants to charge me with what is technically perfectly legal there (though largely unobserved and circumvented under a government known for torturing and disappearing people accused of less in recent times). You call what Sweden wants to do with Assange democracy or justice? Are you kidding me? Junai was a bit closer to the mark when he used the term 'Anglo-fascist'.

Congratulations. You just made me glad not to be young. At least I don't have to go to clubs and listen to crap any more. Have to go to clubs? You must have frequented the wrong clubs.... or clubbing in general just isn't for you. It isn't for everyone.

I didn't bring it up but the Stasi seem to indeed be what many western nations are attempting to emulate these days... Certainly my nation has taken a left turn down that road and hit the gas.

10%!?!?! My experience has that number at much higher across most professions, especially high when it comes to government or large corporate employees. With police specifically it's about 50/50, and I've numerous friends on the 'force'. There is no evidence to support that. 95% of police officers will never fire their weapons in the line of duty in their career. With video becoming more prevalent, accountability is on the rise, rather than the reverse. Look, there is always room for improvement. This is a terribly difficult profession, it requires way more training, discipline, and accountability that your average job. But buying into negative stereotypes is pointless, and perpetrating them only worsens the situation. No evidence to support it? It's a subjective anecdote. If you find that only 10% of the people you know are terrible at their job, and I find that far more than that tend to be..... My threshold for what I consider competence is certainly higher than yours. I was speaking from experience, not from some armchair formulation of opinions based on lalalala. Also, one need not ever fire one's weapon to be a horrible or corrupt police officer.

10%!?!?! My experience has that number at much higher across most professions, especially high when it comes to government or large corporate employees. With police specifically it's about 50/50, and I've numerous friends on the 'force'.

Well I can say with almost complete certainty his career is basically over, I heard he has already been suspended. Its sad really because he made it easy for people to find obvious examples of "aggressive policemen " to now prosecute and make an example of ...also he clearly hasn't been on sensitivity training. There is absolutely no shortage of examples of over aggressive policemen out there. And the guy's career will not be over. Police get away with far far worse and still have their careers intact. With rare exception the worst that ever happens to them is they are fired, in which case they often go on to work for another police agency. One of the biggest problems we have in the states (and elsewhere) is the idea that 'public officials' of all sorts are above the law in many respects. Police often do indeed quite literally get away with murder.

Absolutely no proof of that, at all. If there's a Satan, or some such entity, they are laughing with glee at you and all those who think similar. Anyone on this planet long enough that doesn't regularly go hunting for sandworms head first and that truly thinks, knows that stable families are the bedrock of a stable civilization. It's a 101 concept in pretty much all of the humanities and life. The evidence of this is everywhere. And it's something that many do still realize, both those who want the stable society and those who want to bring it down. The latter seem to sadly be winning, and they are laughing with glee as well. I don't disagree that stable families are important but I don't get the connection between a gay couple and stable family? You don't? You're the one who keeps trying to make one. I said nothing about homosexuality.

Absolutely no proof of that, at all. If there's a Satan, or some such entity, they are laughing with glee at you and all those who think similar. Anyone on this planet long enough that doesn't regularly go hunting for sandworms head first and that truly thinks, knows that stable families are the bedrock of a stable civilization. It's a 101 concept in pretty much all of the humanities and life. The evidence of this is everywhere. And it's something that many do still realize, both those who want the stable society and those who want to bring it down. The latter seem to sadly be winning, and they are laughing with glee as well.

Aye aye. You read it fairly well. Except the part about the "Ultra-Christian theocrat tendency has the whip hand in the GOP". That's really just propaganda from the left. The 'Ultra-Christians' really aren't a big powerbase in any political party, nor are most of those that are religious in any party (there be religious democrats even believe it or not) causing any real problems on the national political scene. The big concerns of the 'Ultra-Christians' are much the same as the big concerns of those who tend to not think they are religious when it comes to politics. The anti-religious rhetoric is really just blah blah to further divide and conquer those who aren't politically savvy or intelligent enough to see what's what. Anyways... yes. War is coming on both sides of the Atlantic. The question is how? Will it be civil uprisings or will the powers that be take us into another world war to avoid such uprisings? As they certainly know they are coming. It's openly talked about in many circles on this side of the Atlantic at this point. My money is on both, but I hope I'm wrong. The momentum towards hot conflict seems inexorable at this point, on many levels.

I'm no fan of Perry, however the indictment as it's so far been represented in the media is a sham. Unless there's something that's not yet seen the light of day in the field of public accusations Perry is in the right on this one, will prevail in court for sure, and will likely come out unscathed politically as well (the office bringing the charges will likely get boiled instead; the DA in question is a corrupt dbag). And not one person so far mentioned in this thread as a candidate for president would make a good one. With any of them we'd just get status quo and be piling on more weight to the sled we're riding downhill into oblivion. Wheeeeee!

40 years ago this week, in the heat of a summer night, In the land of the dollar bill, this was #1 on the charts:

35 years ago this week, this was #1 on the charts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqhT13aQrCc 1979 was Good Times indeed!

Ooooo.... musicals. The Pirates of Penzance was always a fave. Another fave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSSxIJGkPQ

Amazingly awesome album Outside.

I don't give a rats ass about his estimates of casualties during a full-scale US invasion. There was no need for any furhter invasion. No need for any furhter war. The US wasn't saving anyone at that point anymore. is good that you reveal your lack o' any desire or capacity to be reasonable. sure, virtual all reputable historians believe either that the bombs scared japan into surrender, or that it were actual the russian deceleration o' war that set nails to proverbial japanese coffin, but that doesn't fit with your world view, so you chose not to give a "rats ass" 'bout reason or history. is no different than your pov on israel-arab conflict. no surprise. you don't give a "rats ass" what anyone says. HA! Good Fun! Popular history as it is taught in many schools or on the 'History Channel' does not equate to "virtual all reputable historians". Not even close. Having spent a great deal of time in the history department of a couple highly respected major universities in the U.S., I can tell you that not only a good portion of the students don't hold that view but that a good portion of the professors don't hold that view. Most of the better ones, do not. They tend to know better, have the ability to think critically, and actually make use of that ability regularly. That said, real history isn't a popularity contest anyways. Also, Trashman is correct. BTW: Your grammar tends to suck. Work on improving it please.

I never once said Israeli's eat children, nor did I say Hamas is innocent. In your polarized mind it doesn't surprise me it must be thus in your head. The reality is that this post is the first time I've mentioned Hamas in this thread. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of a good sounding false accusation or the self reassuring spouting of your sciolisms. Of course you don't take me seriously. To do so, would mean you'd have to actually go learn yourself some things, think, and admit you're wrong. The latter is likely your biggest obstacle, it is for most. It's much easier to hold onto that paradigm given to you, and to buy that BS being peddled with other people's blood, as you don't need to truly think or actually do any work yourself.

Thirty years ago this was number one on the charts. Awesome movie, awesome tune!

Seriously doubt? This isn't a matter of opinion, the facts can be found. Go find them before you jabber please. You really need to go learn you some history. Of World War 2, Germany, Israel, Palestine, the middle east in general, and I've little doubt a slew of other subjects.. And the exception is modern times, not history. Most of the strife in modern times is due to a whole lotta people such as yourself buying into the divide and conquer tactics of those who would delude you to steal yours and/or others resources and wealth. That and the conflicts, both the hot and the cold, in the middle east and near everywhere else are fomented and funded by the same evil folks who would delude you. But you'd know this, if you actually knew yourself some history and real world politik. But hey, keep on seriously doubting things that happened, and are indeed intended. Be ignorant. It's the cool thing to do. Near everyone else is doing it. Think that there's some deep ingrain hatred amongst all Arabs and has been since time immemorial. Nevermind reality. Keep on buying the BS, it's certainly being sold in droves, and the price is only other people's blood so, what the heck? Why not. right?

In Bruce's world, and in the world of many who believe just about all that is spouted by the mainstream media and 'respectable' in their minds governments, the 1970s is ancient obscure huh? Not even history, but 'huh?'. History, real history isn't a factor in their minds, only the BS spouted by the world is flat cult. Real history and reality destroys their paradigm and would shattered their brainwashed world, so it must be ignored or derided in some manner, ie: 'crazy conspiracy theory'. [Tip: If ever you use the word 'conspiracy' as a 'bad word', you're brainwashed and have been rendered incapable of critical thinking, try and snap out of it.] Sure, their priests might point to some history and ignore some others in their convincing of the masses such as Bruce of X, but real history is never a part of the World is Flat cult leaders' rhetoric. Real history and knowledge points to an invasion of Palestine by a bunch of foreigners under the manta of 'Zionism', who have hijacked (in the minds of many) what it means to be Jewish, actually having the audacity to assert that they speak for all Jews everywhere. Nevermind that a very sizable amount of the Jewish people in this world do not support Israel and are appalled by the evil perpetrated there. There are even many Israelis at this point that are appalled by the evil perpetrated by those that run things there. Real history shows that those invaders ultimately were able to convince and coerce other foreign entities to support them in their invasion. What's happening in Gaza is murder folks. Plain and simple murder. The goal is the eradication of the Palestinian peoples. If you think it is otherwise, you don't know your history, nor do you know the motives of those who run Israel, or how they view people who are not the 'chosen' in the eyes of their God. [Tip: They have more respect for cows.] Really, if the oil embargo is the 1970s is somehow new news to you, if you don't know what the Balfour declaration is, if you don't know what a 'goyim' is, if you don't know who Theodore Herzl was, if you don't know the history behind Zionism going back to the 19th century coupled with the history of the Palestine region in general over that time, you have no idea what's going on in Israel or Gaza. But I'll sum it up for you: Murder, theft, and ultimately local genocide.

Since someone is actually posting ADL links here as if they are a factual and/or relevant news source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtx1u8Bv5_I Foxman is a world class shyster. The ADL is good for as a study subject in propaganda and racial baiting, and not much else.

What's that famous quote attributed to Goebbles "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself." Seriously, despite the fact that people keep repeating that there's no serious evidence to support it. The IDF on the other hand... That's a Palestinian child they're using btw. Actually Imperial Japan had already been negotiating a conditional surrender to the U.S.S.R (amusingly Stalin was the good cop to America's bad cop), unfortunately for the Japanese the Yanks wanted nothing less than an unconditional surrender to the U.S.A. Indeed. Almost everything your average person believes about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a lie. It's been a broken record in western media for over 50 years. A broken record of lies. Arguing with people who believe this stuff is akin to trying to convince a devout follower of World is Flat Cult that the world is indeed not flat. No matter how much evidence there is around them, no matter how little thinking is required to comprehend that what's going on is what's going on, no matter how many times they've obviously been lied to, they cannot let go of their world view paradigm and stop listening to their evil priests who know damn well the world is not flat but realize that they need a large portion of the people to buy their BS so they can get away with their evil crap. And when you get down to it, it's these very brainwashed sciolists parroting the BS they're told on the 'news' without doing a little critical thinking that are why Israel gets away with what it does, and other evils in this world are successfully perpetrated. It ain't a matter of opinion folks what's gone on or what's going on. Open your eyes, think for yourselves, and be willing to be wrong. There is so much utter nonsense spouted in this thread and others about so many things. And yea... for the ignorant or naive: Japan was working to surrender before the A-Bombs were dropped. That those bombs 'needed to be dropped' in order to save lives is one of a great many lies and myths commonly believed about WW2. It was pure evil intent behind the dropping of those bombs. Only the naive or fools who listen to the priests of the World is Flat Cult believe otherwise.