Elerond

Republicans in House seems to have fun with Trump and how he ignores them. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-congress-order-234392 Hill staffers secretly worked on Trump's immigration order Several House Judiciary Committee aides helped craft the controversial directive without telling Republican leaders.

How many of these we can mark as checked these days.

But it is also very carefully constructed so that it mostly only effects Muslims. You can see what it is purpose is even though it is tried to make so that it don't blatantly break law. But its intention is quite clear from how it is constructed. I must say that way it is constructed reminds me of German's so called anti-Jew laws that never actually named Jews as their target, but in reality they were about only population group targeted by those laws.

The Trump 'ban' at least theoretically isn't an actual ban either though despite how it's being reported. It's a suspension until proper (extreme) vetting can be put in place. That could, of course, be a constructive ban and the temporary measure is meant to be permanent, but the legal basis for it is near identical to Obama's, and Obama rigorously defended his right to issue such edicts on the subject. Certainly there's more than a whiff of hypocrisy about criticism from Obama of such things, and a fair bit of selective reporting going on. (ftr measure is stupid populism. I have no objection in theory since the US is perfectly justified in wanting to control its borders but it also needs to be applied even handedly, and an even handed application means that KSA/ Egypt etc get banned as well since KSA especially is the prime jihadi exporter) He himself calls it a ban so I don't see any point to argue opposite

When did Obama did such ban for Syrians?

Whats that you say Gfted1? Why bother waiting for a nomination before deciding your course of action? Senate Dems will filibuster Trump’s Supreme Court nominee. So they are continuing what they started last year. Question is will they even nominate new justices when last one of current ones dies

I can't find any actual references of direct bans by Obama, only that he made getting in USA much much more harder for people from certain countries, by adding visa requirements and security checks etc.. TYT usually don't get their facts right even when they directly quote thing they are saying. Which is why I can't bear to watch, listen or read their pieces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?client=safari

Here somethings of some significance that happened in 1954

You mean same country that Trump chose to be his first country to align towards? It is OK for USA to reach agreements with Russia but not for Iran? Well that is not what happened, the sanctions against Russia havent been dropped so what agreements do you mean? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/trump-calls-putin-world-leaders/ Trump and Putin discuss stabilizing ties, Kremlin says CNN's Matthew Chance in Moscow said a Kremlin summary of the phone call talked about stabilizing the relationship between the two nations and several other subjects. Some of the other issues included restoring trade ties, international terrorism, the situations in Ukraine and the Korean Peninsula, and the coordination of military action against ISIS and other terrorist groups in Syria.

You mean same country that Trump chose to be his first country to align towards? It is OK for USA to reach agreements with Russia but not for Iran?

It is mind warming to see that all the super Christians and bible thumpers in US Senate and Congress are still willing stand behind Christian values like they are when it comes to subjects like marriage equality and having right to refuse service because of religious values

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/trump-syrian-refugees.html All these countries have ISIS groups, so its a valid preventative measure, are you worried this making the USA look bad ? Also Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Malaysia and France have ISIS groups.

Because they are allies of USA and were just forward thinkers in policies that USA will establish?

It seem that this dangerous citizen of UK, but who is ex-Somalia fears that his return to US will also be denied https://www.facebook.com/MoFarahGold/posts/1369028299785195 Mo Farah On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien. I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years - working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It’s deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home - to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice. I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow polices of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation. EDIT: Removed alternative facts that slipped in. As Farah don't anymore have Somalian citizenship and he has not yet tried to enter to USA after the ban.

Total number of Iranian descents in USA is about 1 million (estimate 2016). Total number of people with Somali ancestry living in USA is about 200000 (census data 2012) Total number of Syrian descents in USA is about 157000 (census data 2005) Total number of Sudanese descents in USA is 42,214 (census data 2013) Total number of Iraqi descents in USA is about 150000 (census data 2015) Total number of Libyan descents in USA is about 9000 (census data 2012) Total number of Yemeni descents in USA is about 40000 (census data 2014) Can't say what annual numbers are, but not probably that high that total ban would add more security compared to security vetting and visa(+green card) process that was done before it.

Bans seems to be doing good and blocking very dangerous sounding people to entering in the country http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/28/boston-area-academics-facing-bans-entering/StddgeCOncofRfEFVG7LTL/story.html Boston-area academics are facing bans on entering US Among those whose plans were disrupted was Seyed Soheil Saeedi Saravi, a scientist from Iran, who was planning to come to Boston with his wife to work at a research laboratory specializing in cardiovascular disease at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. Now his visa has been suspended for three months. “Many Iranians are successful persons in the field of science and trade in US. We are peaceful people and we are out of political games,” Saravi, 30, wrote in an e-mail. “We learn, research, work for development of our country and help to improve the public health of global populations. . . . I am so sorry for this decision.” Dr. Thomas Michel, a cardiologist who hired Savari to work in his lab, got the news Friday. He said the travel ban is jeopardizing the country’s position in the scientific community. “So many people who have been trained in science in this country have gone on to do amazing things in the US and their home countries,” Michel said. “That is being undermined.” Samira Asgari, who holds a doctorate from the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne in Switzerland, posted a Twitter message Saturday announcing that she had been barred from boarding a flight to the United States because she’s Iranian. She was traveling to Boston to begin working on a tuberculosis project at a Harvard Medical School research laboratory run by Dr. Soumya Raychaudhuri. He said he recruited Asgari after hearing her give a talk last May at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York. She was granted a J-1 Visa and was awarded two years of research funding from the Swiss National Science Foundation. “I couldn’t believe that somebody with a visa with her standing would be denied entry,” Raychaudhuri said in a telephone interview. “I was very upset.” He said Asgari had flown from Geneva to Frankfurt where she was barred from continuing to Boston.

They're also close US allies, who we can't afford to quarrel with. So only fatal attacks count? There were just recently a couple of attacks by Somalis. Egypt with government that is somewhat hostile towards USA is ally, but Iraq with government placed by USA isn't? And I would questioning how good ally Turkey is in these days. I can't say what counts as fatal attacks don't at least seem to be the reason for the bans.

Time when Teen Vogue is your example of good journalism http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trumps-immigration-ban-excludes-countries-business-ties?mbid=social_twitter Yesterday (January 27), President Donald Trump signed an executive order banning immigration from seven countries, all of which are predominantly Muslim. The countries in question are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen. During the signing, President Trump proclaimed, "I am establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States of America." However, over the past four decades, there have been no fatal attacks on American soil that were orchestrated from immigrants from any of those seven banned countries. Additionally, according to a report from the Cato Institute, no Americans have been killed in the past 15 years by Muslim Americans with family backgrounds in any of those countries. And it has been noted that zero of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from any of those seven countries. The report from the Cato Institute concluded that Trump's ban "will have virtually no effect on improving U.S. national security." Incidentally, the same report demonstrates that approximately 3,000 Americans have been killed by citizens from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and Turkey. The majority of those victims died during the 9/11 attacks. Those four countries have something pretty glaring in common – they are all locations where President Trump has close business ties.

They use stripe as their payment processor. When KS moved to use it I had problems to get it accept my visa certified credit card.

Elerond I watched an interview with someone from the Trump camp about this and what he said actually made sense Trump is prohibiting Muslims coming from countries that cannot guarantee or vet the people who get on planes, these countries include Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Sudan All these countries are either war zones, enemies of the USA or hotbeds of Islamic extremism....do you blame Trump for blocking them? I would think this is appropriate considering the fact the USA is a target of terrorist attacks ? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-plans-to-sign-executive-action-on-refugees-extreme-vetting/ Yes I blame him. USA don't take non-vetted refugees, so everybody now denied are people that US officials though to be safe to take in, many such that have helped them in past. Also USA actions in past are big part why Iraq, Libya and Syria have become hotbeds of Islamic extremist and why people are fleeing from them now. Of course stopping and killing Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi and opposing Bashar al-Assad can be justified and even seen as necessary actions, but they were also actions the destabilized those countries and drive them in uncontrollable civil wars and give room for extremist to get foot hold in them. Also where you think refugees mainly come if not from war zones? Also Iraq's current government is ally of USA. This is one of the few topics you and I dont agree on, since we have had this debate before all I ask is you consider what I am going to say below Even though I dont agree lets say you right about Iraq and thats all the USA fault The initial civil wars in both Libya and Syria were caused by the Arab Spring, everything else came after that and both Gaddafi and Assad had options to share resources and agree to what the protestors were asking for Both of them refused to make any concessions and civil wars started. How is that the fault of the USA? In Libya USA gave weapons to those who opposed Gaddafi and during rebellion they gave air support for rebel forces. Meaning that USA take active part in dethroning Gaddafi and Clinton was quite gleeful when their efforts ended successfully. In Syria USA has given military schooling and weapons to rebels that oppose Assad and some of those weapons even ended in hands of ISIS terrorists. Meaning that USA had active part in Syria's civil war. So just to be clear, you are going to ignore the reasons why these civil wars started which had nothing to do with the USA but still blame the USA for supplying arms and weapons? I don't ignore why they started, but when you supply weapons, and give military schooling and air support for one side of civil war, then you can't say that you didn't play part in the consequences of said civil war and new civil wars started by previous ones.

Elerond I watched an interview with someone from the Trump camp about this and what he said actually made sense Trump is prohibiting Muslims coming from countries that cannot guarantee or vet the people who get on planes, these countries include Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Sudan All these countries are either war zones, enemies of the USA or hotbeds of Islamic extremism....do you blame Trump for blocking them? I would think this is appropriate considering the fact the USA is a target of terrorist attacks ? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-plans-to-sign-executive-action-on-refugees-extreme-vetting/ Yes I blame him. USA don't take non-vetted refugees, so everybody now denied are people that US officials though to be safe to take in, many such that have helped them in past. Also USA actions in past are big part why Iraq, Libya and Syria have become hotbeds of Islamic extremist and why people are fleeing from them now. Of course stopping and killing Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi and opposing Bashar al-Assad can be justified and even seen as necessary actions, but they were also actions the destabilized those countries and drive them in uncontrollable civil wars and give room for extremist to get foot hold in them. Also where you think refugees mainly come if not from war zones? Also Iraq's current government is ally of USA. This is one of the few topics you and I dont agree on, since we have had this debate before all I ask is you consider what I am going to say below Even though I dont agree lets say you right about Iraq and thats all the USA fault The initial civil wars in both Libya and Syria were caused by the Arab Spring, everything else came after that and both Gaddafi and Assad had options to share resources and agree to what the protestors were asking for Both of them refused to make any concessions and civil wars started. How is that the fault of the USA? In Libya USA gave weapons to those who opposed Gaddafi and during rebellion they gave air support for rebel forces. Meaning that USA take active part in dethroning Gaddafi and Clinton was quite gleeful when their efforts ended successfully. In Syria USA has given military schooling and weapons to rebels that oppose Assad and some of those weapons even ended in hands of ISIS terrorists. Meaning that USA had active part in Syria's civil war.

Elerond I watched an interview with someone from the Trump camp about this and what he said actually made sense Trump is prohibiting Muslims coming from countries that cannot guarantee or vet the people who get on planes, these countries include Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Sudan All these countries are either war zones, enemies of the USA or hotbeds of Islamic extremism....do you blame Trump for blocking them? I would think this is appropriate considering the fact the USA is a target of terrorist attacks ? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-plans-to-sign-executive-action-on-refugees-extreme-vetting/ Yes I blame him. USA don't take non-vetted refugees, so everybody now denied are people that US officials though to be safe to take in, many such that have helped them in past. Also USA actions in past are big part why Iraq, Libya and Syria have become hotbeds of Islamic extremist and why people are fleeing from them now. Of course stopping and killing Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi and opposing Bashar al-Assad can be justified and even seen as necessary actions, but they were also actions the destabilized those countries and drive them in uncontrollable civil wars and give room for extremist to get foot hold in them. Also where you think refugees mainly come if not from war zones? Also Iraq's current government is ally of USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0 President Trump’s executive order closing the nation’s borders to refugees was put into immediate effect on Friday night. Refugees who were airborne on flights on the way to the United States when the order was signed were stopped and detained at airports. The detentions prompted legal challenges as lawyers representing two Iraqis held at Kennedy Airport filed a writ of habeas corpus early Saturday in the Eastern District of New York seeking to have their clients released. At the same time, they filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry. ... The lawyers said that one of the Iraqis detained at Kennedy Airport, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, had worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq for 10 years. The other, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was coming to the United States to join his wife, who had worked for an American contractor, and young son, the lawyers said. They said both men had been detained at the airport on Friday night after arriving on separate flights. The lawyers said they had not been allowed to meet with their clients, and there were tense moments as they tried to reach them. “Who is the person we need to talk to?” asked one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project. “Mr. President,” said a Customs and Border Protection agent, who declined to identify himself. “Call Mr. Trump.”

I would guess that it is because of fees that PayPal asks