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Sweden's crime statistics from last year don't tell about alarming rise of crime rates they seem to be quite stagnant http://www.thelocal.se/20170112/swedens-2016-crime-stats-analyzed Although with sexual crimes, researchers aren't sure why their rates have gone somewhat back and forth in past couple years. The Local also published article by couple Swedish journalists that say that some of the claims that Horowitz made don't check out. http://www.thelocal.se/20170220/sweden-facts-a-closer-look-at-filmmaker-ami-horowitz-claims

Which is why he decided to use phrase, "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible," EDIT: It is easy mistake to make to think that he may have referred something else than report what has been happening in Sweden in past 4 years. Also Trump defense is something that people in media and social media suggested after his speech, so he may have just picked it as his defense when he didn't find anything better http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39020962

This is useless study. First it only shows the distribution in crime. Where is the "per capita" data? In any country you will have more natives committing crimes just by sheer numbers. So let's put this numbers in perspective: According to this chart around 40% of crimes are committed by immigrants (first and second generation), but in US this group is only 12-15% of the population. So it seems this group is HIGHLY criminal, because 12-15% of the population is responsible for 40% of the crimes! Second prevalence of each group involved in at least 1 crime? Another WTF? So it doesn't matter if 10 natives each commit 1 crime each and 1 second generation commits 10 crimes it wouldn't affect the results of this study? In the previous 12 months. Seriously? That's not great time frame to have a thorough study on the case. Chart don't have information that you think it has, because it is chart about behavioral pattern it doesn't have any information how many crimes each groups have committed, but how probably it is that person from that group has committed at least one crime. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

Interesting but that's US migration profile. If anyone has numbers on say French Algerian migrants that would be more relevant. Here is one study, but you need to pay to read it http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199859016.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199859016-e-013

Trump has been in office for a month, Obama for 8 years. So we know exactly what Obama's policies have led to. Yeah they lead to Trump taking office and I agree that is very bad.

By telling lies and exploiting such incidents as Zimmerman and Ferguson, and supporting BLM. I don't ever remember such anti-police riots here before (there were in the sixties, but that was a different situation). "”Man riskerar att bli skjuten om man går dit, eller rånad, av kriminella element. Det är områden dit polisen knappt själva vågar gå och folk som är där är annorlunda.”" "You risk getting shot if you go there, or robbed, by criminals. It's areas where the police themselves hardly dare venture, and people there are different." What the middle and upper class said about some areas in Stockholm and Gothenburg in the 30's. Filled with "jews, gypsies, russians and such suspicious filth" I suppose if you go back far enough, again talking about an immigrant enclave. I don't know if they were factual, or motivated by racism. Romani families like to live in same neighborhoods and other Finns don't like live in same neighborhoods were there are Romani people, because we are nice like that. And situation is similar or even worse in other parts of Europe. Actually said motorcycle gangs own whole neighborhoods, which is why it is difficult to get rid of them. And why they still exists, with their drug selling, extortion etc. business. Those groups have their neighborhoods in much tighter control than any immigrant population that we have. Also ethnic-cultural enclave what this had to do with that "Europe didn't have them (hostile neighborhoods towards police) though until mass migration". Also minor one, there are at least couple million Romani people in Europe. EDIT: I also wonder what you think is happening in immigrant heavy neighborhoods if you think that they are more scary place for police than neighborhoods where gangs fight with each other and with police using military grade weapons?

Northern Ireland is quite famous from having neighborhoods that aren't that police friendly. Here in Finland we have our Romani neighbors and our motorcycle gangs don't like police that much, especially in mid 90s when they were in war with each other and were able to access weapons like M72 LAWs their neighborhoods weren't places were police went gladly. EDIT: If we go little more back in Finland's history. In there was in 1800s group called Puukkojunkarit (knife-fighters) that terrorize big part of Western Finland.

Don't think they're exactly no-go, but they're hostile to the police, and have become a lot more hostile thanks to Obama's demagoguery and lies. Europe didn't have them though until mass migration. So the causes are different but the result is the same, ethnic-cultural enclaves hostile to the society at large. There has been areas that are hostile towards police in Europe as long as there has been police forces in Europe.

Currently that is the projection model that has happened everywhere. Richer state becomes lower its birthrates become. Some states have achieved situation where their birth rates are lower than their population decreasing rate, Japan is one example of such state. There are some states that have achieved this status via artificial means, like for example China, where their one child policy has lead in population decrease. Also inside of local populations poorer families usually have more kids than rich families, but that isn't as universal rule as birthrates dropping when general wealth of state increases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4255510/ https://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Birth_Rate_Decline_e.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility total fertility rate (TFR) versus human development index (HDI), Source: Human Development Report 2009

Police is public service agency that is empowered by state to enforce laws and limit civil disorder. So police is part of system that controls the state aka government, but not the government aka ministry, a collective group of people that exercises executive authority in a state.

At least Russia's foreign minister Lavrov tells how we are starting time after West and people should to prepare to new world order.

"The news is fake because so much of the news is fake" - D. J. Trump Also "Leaks real, the news is fake" - D. J. Trump

It is over 1000 years long tradition to import new people in Sweden, meaning that is their culture. They import people and ideas from other cultures and then say that they are theirs. They have done it from dawn of the time

By international agreements that Russia has signed, legality hacking that targets computers in USA is determined by USA laws. Which of course don't necessary mean much as Russia isn't in habit giving its citizens to USA to be tried. Nah, not if it's the Russian State doing it. Even for private citizens extradition itself requires the crime to be illegal in Russia as well, albeit that can be waived. The direct equivalent would be Russia saying that CIA hacking in Russia is illegal. Well yeah, it may be in Russia, but it isn't a crime in the US and there isn't merely no chance of an extradition whatever reciprocal treaties may say there's no chance of, well, anything except incredulous laughter if they complained about it. It's also particularly problematic when you have the NSA rather obviously hacking/ intercepting the Russian Ambassador's communications- completely against the Vienna Convention, of course, but you'd be naive if you thought it didn't happen. Well, if all the intelligence communities want is a compliant leader who does what they want I guess it's all good then? If one were to be facetious one might mention that all Putin wants is a compliant leader who does what he wants, as well... That kind of thinking is far more sinister than Trump being a blowhard, because Trump is both limited in power and is an actual elected official who will be gone in 4/8 years. These guys are neither elected nor are they limited in their power or in the time frame of their power. You don't get any less limited than trying to kneecap your country's leader as there isn't any higher target to go for. And if they get away with it once they'll do it every single time, it can hardly be claimed they'd stop at the President either since- and I know I'm repeating myself- there is no greater target to go for. (I don't give an asterisk if Putin tried interfering here, that's expected and the best defence to that is having a proper democracy where his potential influence never rises above margin of error level. If our spies tried interfering though? I'd have a hard time describing that as anything less than a clandestine coup and outright treason, and would be tempted to suggest actual hanging for anyone caught doing it, pour decourager les autres. Hi GCSB/ SIS, hope you enjoyed my post) Russian state don't do anything, it is people employed by Russian state and those people are committing crimes in USA if they are hacking computers that locate in USA. But of course them to face consequences of their actions is slim to none as there is quite minor change that Russia will ever hand over them to USA even if USA would be able to actually give Russia prove that those people committed such crime. It is like CIA agents that commit crimes in other countries in order to ensure that USA's interest will come true or USA's soldiers that commit war crimes who will not ever face international courts because USA protects its own people when they commit crimes in its name. But that don't make what these people do any less crime or any more legal in places where those acts have been committed. Like for example there is Finnish hacker that USA wants to try for crimes he committed, but we haven't yet decided if we actually want to give USA our citizen. And there are people in Europe that have committed such crimes like rape in USA but European courts refuse to give them for USA official for trialed there, because their crimes aren't serious enough to warrant such actions. Intelligence communities want compliant leaders that isn't new thing, neither is their power plays during administration changes. Trump just seem to be from weaker end of leaders when it comes to handle such actions. But like you said it is USA State actions there is nothing to worry about it is perfectly legal . But more seriously bad behavior from intelligence communities domestic or foreign don't excuse Trump's actions as leader of US executive branch and leader of US intelligence community. His actions give room for corruption in agencies in US executive branch and it is his job to keep those agencies work for people of USA. Meaning that if they leak information that they should not then that is Trump's fault, because he is the boss and he carries the responsibility for actions done by his agencies addition to those done by himself. What comes to Putin he is leader that puts Russian's interest first, although for him it usually means his interests first, because for him they are same thing even if all the Russians don't agree. Which is important to remember in any negotiations with Russia and speculations what Russia may do. Putin is mastered art to say one thing and do another thing and same time point finger to third thing. He also has somewhat similar attitude towards international agreements as Trump says he has, if they don't benefit Russia then following them is optional.

By international agreements that Russia has signed, legality hacking that targets computers in USA is determined by USA laws. Which of course don't necessary mean much as Russia isn't in habit giving its citizens to USA to be tried. Trump is special case, because he is the most visible politician in world currently and he is the leader of USA. Other politicians behaving idiotically is bad, but when such visible leader does it it is much more worse. Because his behavior and attitude is what everybody sees. Pelosi and Schumer and rest of democrats in House are just some within many that don't all share similar views. There isn't similar opposition for Trump as he is in position above all others. I don't believe that intelligence communities want Trump gone, they just play their own power play where they show that one don't want them as their enemy. As in past Trump has spoken quite lot against intelligence community and how its should be in better lead and otherwise spoken in undermining tone about them.

While I don't really want to get tied up in the minutiae of camel farms in Sweden and other such things Daily Sabah is an abysmally bad newspaper. It won't take a metaphorical crap without written in triplicate approval from Erdogan. Well yeah, and you have the people who were appalled!!! at the Hillary/ DNC leaks who are cheering the current leaks on. Plenty of hypocrisy to go around there, if the circumstances were equivalent, which they aren't. There's a big difference between Hillary/ DNC stuff being leaked by someone be it the mysteriously, unsolvedly, murdered Seth Rich or Vladimir Putin wearing a Groucho Marx moustache as it was information from a private institution to which the leaker either had legit access in Rich or was part of a hack by a 3rd party state which has no obligation to respect US laws. In the current case(s) it's both clear political meddling by, effectively, a state institution (individuals within, but you'd suspect that the leakers could be caught were it a priority for the leadership) against the political leadership of said state and is also illegal leaking of classified material in many cases. The overwhelming impression is that the 'intelligence community' doesn't want to share with Trump not because they think he's a security risk but because they want to monopolise the ability to leak and limit it to anti Trump stuff. They've been leaking like a sieve for the past couple of months, after all. Anyone and everyone should be concerned about the intelligence community influencing politics. Their power over the general population and politicians is an order of magnitude greater than any influence Russia could possibly have even in McCain and Graham's worst nightmare (or Raytheon et al think tanks' push marketing, at least). In both cases leaks were illegal no doubt of that and in both cases leaks were politically motivated and done in purpose to effect in US politics no doubt. But my point was about Trumps attitude towards media reporting said leaks, where first he is very pro when it is his benefit, but then when situation is opposite he is more than ready to blame media reporting about said leaks. Such inconsistency just works in benefit of said leakers because it moves blame from leakers to media reporting about leaks. It also make people attitude towards leaks become more jovial and accepting, which makes it easier for intelligence communities influence politics by leaking stuff.

Are you sure about that name Holmertzová Gun President of Caritas International is Cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle and Henrik Alberius is Chairman of Caritas Sweden Also Marie Lexhagenové seems to be off http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/stockholms-katolska-stift/news/gun-holmertz-fraan-caritas-upptagen-i-paavlig-riddarorden-146143 Do you seriously think I am making all this up or what? I asked are you sure about the name Holmertzová Gun which is somewhat different from Gun Holmertz It seems that Gun Holmertz isn't head of Caritas, but she is founder of Caritas Caritas Gothenburg and Angered (sub organization of Caritas Sweden, which is sub organisation of Caritas International). This quote seem to be against their general urban development project not the mentioned camel park. "It's absurd vision. The people who created it, Andgered want to change a kind of circus with exotic animals and immigrants, which would have outsiders come to see them, " http://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/satsar-32-miljoner-på-svamp-getmjölk-och-hästgräsklippare-1.4148563 http://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/gun-holmertz-ett-helt-absurt-projekt-1.4148588 Population: "Clean racism" The project may be harsh criticism from residents who call it fuzzy and offensive. - If I had wanted to work with animals or crops, I had gone back to Namibia. The money is needed for education, housing and real jobs. We do not want more animals here. We immigrants are already stigmatized group - this project is pure racism, says Florence Hansen, accommodation in Angered. - This feels frivolous, says Issmet Elsalihie. Even Gun Holmertz Caritas in Hjällbo directed similar criticisms. She calls the project a "circus" that has a "colonial mindset". Read more: Gun Holmertz: "Would make Angered a circus" Something Dan Melander not agree with. - This is definitely not a circus, and we do not claim that this is the solution for the entire northeast. This is just about to test new ways to build economies. http://www.mistraurbanfutures.org/en/urban-research-urban-rural-gothenburg-stadslandet So they think that their Green urban project in immigrant suburban is racist, that sounds more like swedish thing to do.

Are you sure about that name Holmertzová Gun President of Caritas International is Cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle and Henrik Alberius is Chairman of Caritas Sweden Also Marie Lexhagenové seems to be off

Sweden's plans to build a camel park in the Swedish city of Gothenburg, which it hopes will create jobs for migrants, have been slammed as racist by immigrant advocates as reported by the Swedish daily newspaper Göteborgs-Posten. It is that part that I can't find

Here is article from Göteborgs-Posten that seems to be the one that Daily Sabah's article uses as its source http://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/bert-om-kamelparken-måste-vara-ett-skämt-1.4150619 Bert on the Camel Park: "Must be a joke" GOTHENBURG Gothenburg city and other donors together account for over one million crowns. But the entrepreneur Bert Karlsson and a tourist scholars condemn the planned Camel Park in Angered in advance. - Are you kidding me? It will never work out, says Bert Karlsson. Michael Verdicchio 05:00 - February 9, 2017 Plans to make Angered a tourist resort with camels believe entrepreneur Bert Karlsson not at all. - This must be a joke. Are you kidding me? says Bert Karlsson when he hears about the plans and continues: - This is so ****ing stupid. That's what you have to do on the tourist trip abroad when there is nothing else to do. You ride once and then you will never be back. I condemn it totally. It will never work in reality. Read also: Million Contribution - to tourism and camel milk Neither Maria Lexhagen, tourism researcher at Mid Sweden University, believes in the idea. - I do not see that there is no great demand for camels - especially in Sweden. It will very much to for something like this to succeed and go around financially, says Maria Lexhagen. Granted half a million One of the latest entries Angered camel center received was from Gothenburg Social Resource Management last year in the form of integration funds of SEK 500 000. - We thought it was an exciting integration projects which could also attract visitors to Angered. It was also promising because it could lead to jobs, says Marina Johansson (S), Chairman of the Social resource committee. But Bert Karlsson is critical. - There are obviously people who do not know what they are doing. The granting money is no contractors. But the municipality love the word integration projects. Do you say the word integration, you can get how much money any time. This should be stopped before it even starts, says Bert Karlsson. "No expert on camels" The official who investigated camel center defends the decision, however. - I'm no expert on camels but I thought there was a basis. Could this lead to people getting a job, perhaps especially Somalis who are far outside the labor market, then I think it's worth testing. Maybe I am naive, but I stand in that case, says Lena Salo, development of social resource management. Marina Johansson also defends the project. - If we grant money for something that does not succeed, it's something we can learn from then. One should also remember that the municipality has the opportunity to request a refund if they are not used to what we intended, says Marina Johansson. Here is another article that seems to be cited https://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/miljonbidrag-till-kamelturism-och-mjölk-1.4150581 I try to find if they have any article about accusation of racism towards the park, as far I haven't find any

Slang word for: To criticize harshly; censure forcefully. Well it depends on who you ask no? I mean there were mentioned immigrants 'slamming' it: Leftist immigrant advocates are claiming the project is "racist," "xenophobic" and "islamophobic," while the right perceives it as yet more proof of a clash of civilizations. In local news there were citations as well... But it isn't mentioned in Swedish news about critic that the project has received. well, so we debunk everything you got against my article, and now you just point out that if information is not in your article so its not true? Doesn't it sounds a little bit like picking only information you like? Also Sweden is kinda known for hiding facts related to immigrants, I think we can agree on it? Only thing that we debunk was my claim that it didn't get public money Also if Swedes hide information about immigrants, only source that your article uses is Swedish one and why SVT would hide criticism towards Swedes but not criticism aimed towards immigrant whose project it is?

Slang word for: To criticize harshly; censure forcefully. Well it depends on who you ask no? I mean there were mentioned immigrants 'slamming' it: Leftist immigrant advocates are claiming the project is "racist," "xenophobic" and "islamophobic," while the right perceives it as yet more proof of a clash of civilizations. In local news there were citations as well... But it isn't mentioned in Swedish news about critic that the project has received. Also project initiator seems to be immigrant, which would make me question what immigrant advocates would claim that he is racist especially in Sweden.

Slang word for: To criticize harshly; censure forcefully. or Slang word for: A harsh or devastating criticism.

It seems that fake news about Sweden are quite popular this days. Is it fake? it was in our local news, I was just looking for some english written source, I have skipped RT and Breitbard for obvious reasons... http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/skattemiljon-gar-till-gigantiskt-kamel-projekt-i-goteborg It is private project that has no public funding or even permit yet. It is build in Angered which is suburb in Gothenburg Municipality not in actual city of Gothenburg and so on. I mean there is real think behind the story, but it is full of alternative facts. woot, headline from this page: Tax-million goes to the giant camel project in Gothenburg It has granted money from Västra Götaland Regional Council (Västra Götalandsregionen), which I first though was only some development organization, but it is actually some regional governance in Sweden. So it has actually received public funding, my bad. But other details in article are still off. (Million SEK is about 100k EUR) Although SVT's article is about how entrepreneur behind park is marketed benefits of camel milk in way that is against Swedish law and how park still don't have building permit. So what actually in that article I posted is not true? Starting to be confused. Location of park It isn't aimed for immigrants (at least not by information given by SVT's article) And it is slammed because it don't have building permit and illegal marketing, not because it is racist.

It seems that fake news about Sweden are quite popular this days. Is it fake? it was in our local news, I was just looking for some english written source, I have skipped RT and Breitbard for obvious reasons... http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/skattemiljon-gar-till-gigantiskt-kamel-projekt-i-goteborg It is private project that has no public funding or even permit yet. It is build in Angered which is suburb in Gothenburg Municipality not in actual city of Gothenburg and so on. I mean there is real think behind the story, but it is full of alternative facts. woot, headline from this page: Tax-million goes to the giant camel project in Gothenburg It has granted money from Västra Götaland Regional Council (Västra Götalandsregionen), which I first though was only some development organization, but it is actually some regional governance in Sweden. So it has actually received public funding, my bad. But other details in article are still off. (Million SEK is about 100k EUR) Although SVT's article is about how entrepreneur behind park is marketed benefits of camel milk in way that is against Swedish law and how park still don't have building permit.