BruceVC

Eh, expected as much. Hope he didn't lead to more dying. Yeah that's the concern now, has he infected others

No, offensive words surely should only be offensive if they touch a nerve How can you be offended to be compared to ISIS? ISIS is a real, brutal and militant extremist group that is chopping off peoples heads and crucifying its enemies, and that's on a good day. How can a gamer ever possibly think that describes them, that's just ludicrous. Its not offensive because its so stupid

AGX is right WOD I have been watching several interviews around Ebola and there is no evidence that says the virus is transmitted through the air. Its transmitted through liquid like saliva, vomit and feces I also see Thomas Duncan has died

Congratulations, Bruce, you just reached a new level of hypocrisy. And that right there sums up nicely not everything, but a good part of what I hate about SJWs. "Hey guys, it's wrong to stereotype other people and put false labels on them. Hey, why are you getting mad because we stereotyped you and put false labels on you? Why are you bothered by this?" Wow you guys are really defensive, sorry I aske the question As usual my point is misunderstood, I'm not saying that white male gamers can't be insulted or offended by certain words. Of course we can, we are human beings. I am saying in this particular case why are you offended with being compared to ISIS. A white, male is so far from what ISIS is and how they operate its just seems ridiculous to get offended by that characterization Also the main issue with offensive words against certain minority groups is not that they are false characterisations but that the actual words used have an hurtful and malicious intent. Like words to describe a black person or gay person. Its not the same as saying " white, male gamers are like ISIS" which is not offensive because its so irrelevant Also you shouldn't hate people in life Keyrock, that just creates bad karma

I see what you mean, but they might as well say " only Chinese" because unless you speak Chinese you wouldn't be able to interact in the mall anyway

I'm not a very social person, so I tend to socialize more online than anywhere else. This is my main hangout and though I don't post really frequently, I'm probably browsing the forums a couple hours a day. My other main hangouts are Kotaku and io9, and white males are the #1 discriminated group there, and the sick thing is its mostly white males that throw around the vitriol. I live in a city that has seen whites become a smaller and smaller portion of the population, with a larger and larger chinese population, and chinese are some of the most racist people in the world, especially against whites. They have chinese only malls, and its not considered racist, its considered "accommodating". The attitude towards racism against whites seems to be acceptance. And I don't know if its white guilt or whatever, but it seems like the ones who have the attitude that its somehow deserved due to top dog position of whites in history is ****ing white people. More and more we're being subtly told that we deserve to be treated like crap because our ancestors did it to others, and more and more white people are getting on board. I see more and more similarities to the Anders and Haken in The Soul of the Fire all the time. White people are more and more feeling bad about being white, and its sick. This is a very relevant post and is worth discussing further. Are you saying that there are Chinese malls in Canada where white people aren't allowed to go to? If so this is completely unacceptable and I agree. I wonder if anyone else on these forums has similar experiences? In South Africa we are sensitive around racial harmony due to Apartheid, but I am opposed to reverse racism which is what many people say Affirmative Action and Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) is. But in the South African context there is no place or area that white people can't go because its considered a black area only. So your experience around the Chinese is very interesting

Okay, that's fine. We will never agree on this point and that's fine We can agree to disagree

Okay so you genuinely feel harassed as a white, male gamer? And just to be clear this harassment is coming from feminists and gaming journalists?

I don't understand why some of you guys get so offended by the characterization or generalizations about white, male gamers? I am a white, male gamer and we are least most discriminated demographic in the world. We really aren't the victims of real bigotry in almost all cases. Who cares if someone associates us with ISIS, its an utterly pointless insult because its just not true. Its like someone calling me a pygmy child molester. I don't concern myself with things that aren't valid. Why the outrage? Do you these insults really bother you

Volo how do you feel about SJ causes in RL ?

Well you should be concerned because he pushes the boundaries of what NATO is suppose to protect and Russia is a much more dangerous military threat than any Islamic extremist group Russia's not going to attack NATO. They're jerks; not crazy. I'm not worried about jerks; I'm worried about lunatics. I agree there is no real chance of war between Russia and NATO but the crisis in the Ukraine and Putin's desire for Russian hegemony highlights just how fracturable the relationship is between Russia and NATO. The fact that Putin is not insane but makes calculated and strategic decisions worries me more

Volo that is very nasty, I was only joking

Well you should be concerned because he pushes the boundaries of what NATO is suppose to protect and Russia is a much more dangerous military threat than any Islamic extremist group

Okay good to know we do agree on somethings

Its both amusing and something to be concerned about

Wow, never really seen you concerned about something before. I would have thought you would have found this whole thing amusing

Typical Finnish response, totally out of touch with reality

Come now, that's not being truly for social justice where you shut up and accept it just for the sake of convenience. As for me, pretty much the same online as offline in terms of approach to things and demeanor. Its not a question of convenience, its a question of protocol and how we conduct ourselves at customers We are not suppose to argue with customers or discuss politics or other contentious issues. I'm sure its the same at all other companies ? Indeed the customer is always right and their consumption should be the primary factor in any business, those whom alienate and dismiss their customers are forgetting the basic rules of commerce. A pity game journalists cannot grasp this very basic concept, I suggest they try reading Adam Smith's the Wealth of Nations. Personally i'm a little more easy going in reality, apart from that i'm fairly much unchanged. Trust you to find a valid link between what I said and the drama around gaming journalists, I can't disagree with what you have said in the context of this discussion.

Nah, I don't see it as avoiding trouble But if you make a customer feel uncomfortable about some SJ issue, even if you are right, he is likely to complain about you afterwards. And I don't go to customers to discuss SJ issues, that's not why I am employed. So if anything its about me being professional at work

Yes in South Africa we normally use day/month/year. It makes sense since you are incrementing logically. So 6 October 2014 is 6/10/2014

Are we still on this? GG is not against equality. Everyone except Jezebel readers knows this by now. Actually, honestly, maybe some GG supporters are. Trolls are using GG as a front for harassment and some GG supporters have become militant (note how this is a bad thing for them as much as it is for feminists). Doesn't mean that GG is about it. That is, and has been all this time, a misrepresentation by biased media. Trolls do not represent GG, which is a consumer revolt from a diverse group and not an organized movement. I'm not going to say that GG is still innocent at this time. Championing Milo and Adam Baldwin despite their ridiculous views just because they are on the side of GamerGate is about as ridiculous as anything Leigh Alexander says. But on a whole, the actual consumers with good intentions are the majority of GG and their cause is just and most of all - not about holding back social justice. I don't disagree with what you have posted, but my point is not that GG is against equality. I am not suggesting that at all. All I'm saying is in RL the issue of gender equality will still be around long after GG.

Come now, that's not being truly for social justice where you shut up and accept it just for the sake of convenience. As for me, pretty much the same online as offline in terms of approach to things and demeanor. Its not a question of convenience, its a question of protocol and how we conduct ourselves at customers We are not suppose to argue with customers or discuss politics or other contentious issues. I'm sure its the same at all other companies ?

What makes you angry on these forums and the Internet? In other words what are you passionate about on the Internet that doesn't apply to RL?

Actually, it looks like lots and lots of non-gamer feminists (probably from tumblr) found it relevant enough to join the flame war. That is also true, so in other words people who aren't necessarily involved in gaming are also criticizing the gaming industry

Nice post, I am the same about the issues I am concerned about in RL and these forums But in RL I am more concerned with what I say, or rather in what environment I say it. For example I don't tell a customer who is being inadvertently racist that it is wrong because its not my place to lecture them on something they should be aware of and also there is work etiquette that I need to adhere to. But if I meet someone in a bar or club and we discuss SJ issues I am always honest, but polite, around what I believe.