BruceVC

Hi Fighter Where have you been?

No my friend Germany has become the vogue immigration for people fleeing the USA..try something different Come to South Africa, you can stay with me for free...then you can experience life as one of the privildge white minority

I'll admit, as someone who's fiscally conservative but still supports equality and environmental protection, it's nearly impossible to find a candidate I agree with 100%. When there was that quiz to determine who you supported a couple months back, I ended up being closest to Sanders, but I hate his economic policies.It leaves me every election struggling to find who to vote for, and I usually end up only voting if there's someone I'm very opposed to running...but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Well you will never find a candidate who suits you 100 % so might as well vote Clinton as then at least its a Democrat vote Considering that I swore the first time she ran that if Hillary was elected I was going to leave the country, that seems unlikely. I hear you....lets not be hasty and want to leave the country I am excited for your election, I will staying up all night as usual to watch

I'll admit, as someone who's fiscally conservative but still supports equality and environmental protection, it's nearly impossible to find a candidate I agree with 100%. When there was that quiz to determine who you supported a couple months back, I ended up being closest to Sanders, but I hate his economic policies. It leaves me every election struggling to find who to vote for, and I usually end up only voting if there's someone I'm very opposed to running...but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Well you will never find a candidate who suits you 100 % so might as well vote Clinton as then at least its a Democrat vote Then perhaps you should begin treating all of us like adults. Unfortunately, I've done this little song and dance with you just a few too many times now, and I've just sort of lost my stomach for it at this point. I was treating you like a adult? Now it seems like you are offended....its like I can't win and whatever I say you seem to want to leave?

Okay if you say I am wrong then I suppose I should believe you... ...its just ...its just I am not convinced But having a low intelligence really should bother you at all, firstly its subjective and secondly I live in a country where many people are deemed to have a " low intelligence" , its not a factor that really matters ..yes of course in the job space but then you just something suitable Personally I want to drop all this " he is stupid " ...." he isn't intelligent " ...its ultimately more offensive than constructive

No, but thanks for the condescension in assuming that we cannot possibly think/act in good faith towards a candidate just because she's a woman. Now, in regards to acting in good faith towards a guy around here going by the name of BruceVC who never acts in good faith towards any of us...I'll admit that that one's a little more tricky. Barti you seem very defensive....did I catch you out? Its okay if you don't want to vote for a women..no judgement today....you get no SJ condemnation the whole day

Okay, but its not unusual for those factors you mention to influence many people so its not a ridiculous question What is the main reason you wont vote for her...you dont trust her ?

I have to be honest I don't really understand this American aversion to being spied on ,....its not like you will be targeted. I install eDiscovery all the time, this is form a spying ...various financial corporations use it all the time and no one even knows So you need to trust the government a little and learn to accept the NSA knows more than you about security. You know Glenn Greenwald is considered by many in the USA as a traitor and is aligned to Snowden And yes those are possibly concerning examples but do they really bother you...I mean spying on Amnesty International? Who cares when the safety of the USA is concerned ?

That hasn't worked out so well in the past. Unless what you mean is more along these lines. No offense 2133 but the example of Greek austerity is really a bad one Of course Greece needs to repay the EU Troika.....you have these strange views that these types of debts can just be written off...you know how much th this was

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem Who are the Republicans? That really is the question. Every election they present themselves as the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility. Then once they get elected they act like anything but. I've said this a number of times but the only thing I hate more than the Republicans are the Democrats. But I will hand it to the Dems on one thing. They are honest about their intentions. They do not value freedom, or individual liberty, or private property, or Federalism and they do not pretend that their aim is anything other than to take all these things away in the name of a "fair" and "just" society where they control everything and everyone. But GD when you say the Democrats don't value freedom or individual liberty what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Internet surveillance I'm guessing here but I will say that its a case of same **** different package. When to comes down to American politics corporate interest are at the top, bipartisan issues and party politics take the second and thirdly are the issues that actually concern Americans which become a stage for parties and representatives to flex their muscles and brag, which means they don't get resolved. Guys can I ask you all a question, it seems none of you are prepared to vote Clinton....I won't lie, I'm disappointed But are you sure its not some misplaced view around the fact she is a women? It may be a subconscious view that you arent necessarily aware of..and this is not meant as an insult many people in my country say they aren't ready to vote for a women? It just may be best to acknowledge it...get it out there ?

Correct. The extreme lefties vote for Sanders, the rest of the party of big government and no freedom votes for Clinton and the republican nominee winsRepublicans aren't voting for Clinton.

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem Who are the Republicans? That really is the question. Every election they present themselves as the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility. Then once they get elected they act like anything but. I've said this a number of times but the only thing I hate more than the Republicans are the Democrats. But I will hand it to the Dems on one thing. They are honest about their intentions. They do not value freedom, or individual liberty, or private property, or Federalism and they do not pretend that their aim is anything other than to take all these things away in the name of a "fair" and "just" society where they control everything and everyone. But GD when you say the Democrats don't value freedom or individual liberty what exactly do you mean? Do you mean Internet surveillance

Man do you vote Democrats ...or are you one of those white supremacist dudes who just rejects the idea of a vote

Yes I agree with SJ influence to allow things to appeal to a broader audience....Volo you now have Syrians in your county so there entertainment needs should be considered? Have you ever watched Islamic TV...we have it in South Africa and I get it on my cable selection. It must be the most boring and brain numbing channel I have ever been forced to watch...sorry to sound critical but its really bad. I remember the one show was just about this guy in a white room and all he did was pray and recite this song....thats it ...for 1 hour I assumed it cant be popular, I thought our SA Muslims can't seriously enjoy it ....but they do

Yes my friend.....stats don't lie....this is scientific but maybe not so many .....give or take a few But they are spread all over the world I hear they sending 40 k to San Diego because you guys are so friendly and welcoming

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ? I've made my opinion of Hillary Clinton abundantly clear. And I fail to see how the republicans being "conservative" should offend minorities. Truth to tell I fail to see any conservative republicans at all. The "republican" house and "republican" senate just passed a big government disaster of a budget that gives the President everything he's ever dreamed of and more. They fully funded every bad idea he's had for two years. If both political parties are bound and determined to spend the United States into insolvency one just faster than the other, then the outcomes of elections are meaningless. If you want my $.02 it's past time we took a hard look at secession. All I can do is protect my financial assets, minimize my tax exposure and make the land I own as productive as possible so if needs be I can provide for myself. And ensure I al well armed and well prepared should the worse come to worst. Of course you must realize I sympathize with you and others and do always read what you say. I am a white, male and I do believe we need to concerned of real threats which come surreptitiously through various mediums....so yes there are agendas against us. I accept that but Clinton isn't one of the, And you know you can overreact or maybe its better to say you sometimes need to clear your mind..like the last time you bought all that gold and went to that game park with the dogs But if I can try to be constructive, the Republicans have got to start asking another series of question " what do we stand for? What intrinsically do we offer? What will we not accept in our name " You cannot let a guy like Trump run rampant...I know its easy for me to make suggestions from South Africa but I refuse to believe with all this intelligence and experience Trump is the only divisive candidate And also GD this whole " conservative" values needs to be re-looked at if the result is a candidate who just offends people. This is not an attack on your religion or our race, why do you feel you need to follow someone who is religious? I watched the whole Republican debate, as in the whole thing. There are good candidates like Rubio and Bush. But the thought of Tennessee seceding....you can't mean that. Imagine not being able to sing the US anthem

Those are the stats now ? Ask Volo its all over Canada....there information is generally accurate But Hurlshot thats only 10 %? Why is that such a concern

You know this is where I tell people you make irrefutable points that are logical .....you right here. Why even mention the 90% ..its always the 10 % we worry about Thats something I never focus on and always say 90 % are harmless...I am going to say what you said next time on the radio

Volo....it looks like you have been cursed by Prophet Mohammed for your Islamophobia ? Do you feel guilty ...now your country is being overrun and conquered by radical Muslims I warned you about this....lucky Qistina isnt here

GD I know you take politics seriously but lets be realistic ....Clinton will win Don't you think you should start to get use to respect her ...I mean if she is president. I assume you guys respect the office? I would be also frustrated by Trump...but he is more a symptom of the Republicans failure to install real confidence. Lets not blame the Democrats for having a logical structure and appeal. I have said this before but the Republicans have almost lost there identity And yes they need to stop offending minorities and coming across so conservative....it can't be that hard ?

Mmmmm....so much for the hardcore socialist values Guys its fate, Clinton is obviously the choice

Why am I not surprised that people on this forum are not impressed ? Obsidian elitism strikes again....does anyone actually feel like they are now just being unreasonable

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live Because I wanted to avoid needless tags. People from Western EU, US, Canda, Scandinavia, and generally rich countries, perceive people from CEE as "beggars" and sometimes worse. It would not be the case if a lot of people from CEE would not go to other countries and do some simple jobs, even when holding masters degree... and why? because salaries in the CEE countries are relatively small, while prices are on near West EU level, with exception of rents, public transport and general grocery products + health care/beauty related services - like dental services and plastic surgery. Here, example from Poland, which uses median (gross salary, so you need to take away taxes and social insurance deductions, which amount to roughly 30% in the lowest range). Remember that 1USD is around 3,93PLN and 1EUR is around 4,27PLN while for example a price of a perfume i recently bought for myself, because i am used to it (Channel Home Allure 150ml) is 609PLN (includes VAT), 40cm radius pizza costs around 35-40PLN And Poland is one of the richer CEE countries. Yes I understand what you say some people think about Poland, we have property in London and the one day I was watching a protest from the BNP and there is nothing more annoying than watching fellow white people who are not only racist but ignorant..anyway they were complaining about the all the illegal " Polish and Romanians\Hungarians" living in the UK " living off the social services " ...basically implying you guys were parasites Also my dad was telling me in his day everyone use to joke about Polish people ....but my point is so what? You need to look at the reality of EU So firstly as you know I really believe in the EU but we need to be honest about some things, so lets look at the " old Europe " view of East European countries. Yes there was a time where Poland, Hungary, Romania would have been looked down on by some people. But now we have an EU where the country that was defeated in 2 world wars is the dominant and influential....yet they have no army? How is that possible ....funny enough that is a question some people in "old Europe " ask themselves and they feel a sense of resentment towards the Germans. But the realty is Germany absolutely deserves to be such a dominant economy, they were able to recreate themselves out of the inferno of shame of Nazism and economic defeat. They could have given up....people like Lexx on this forum is German and yet he refuses to give his country any credit and says things like " what Germany has done anyone could have done " I don't blame him for this view. I am not here to tell people to be proud of the EU, you guys will naturally appreciate your way of life if its ever threatened by external forces like Islamic Extremism. And this basically includes most people on this forum who live in the EU but seem to think its weird to say "I'm proud to live in Netherlands " ( TN and Hoonding especially unpatriotic ) Anyway so now there are people in old Europe who can't accept that Germany is the most influential power in the region....they seem to live in the past where they think WW2 matters....so first thing those are the type of people who look down on East Europeans and rely on insults to justify there importance. But now what matters is the economic factor of any country in the EU. This is correct, in previous times it was about military success but the EU doesn't need an army. It has our American friends, the UK and France to address the military aspect So as far as I know Poland was considered a rising and economic star...I'm not sure if that is still true with the right wing government ? But CNN has done numerous documentaries of Poland called " Poland Rising" and my Polish friend tells me how well the country is doing So if I was you and any other East European I would just ask myself " why do I care about bigots in countries who aren't even the most relevant anymore " But then it gets worse for " old Europe " ....the mighty and historical PIGS countries, the birthplaces of Democracy ...the places that have always existed and always will as they " don't really need to work hard and maintain good governance" .. no not them. Everyone else in the EU like your countries, Scandinavian countries and Baltic states gets down and works hard but suddenly after 2008 various levels of mismanagement and economic incompetence is exposed in these PIGS countries This is actually an embarrassment ...well it should be because the reality is there are African countries who are working harder than these PIGS countries and they work harder under much worse conditions . I work in the financial section and what was asked of the PIGS countries was nothing unreasonable ...seriously. People like 2133 will claim how imperialistic and dictatorial Germany and the EU Troika became. How unreasonable the austerity is....and you know what? Its quite amazing how everyone else in the EU can maintain the rules of the EU..in fact the EU Troika gave countries like Greece many chances. I'm sorry but why should We feel sorry for any country from a prestigious region like the EU for not maintaining its own economy ? So now back to Poland and other East European countries. I am absolutely amazed that you may feel you are not legitimate and proven members of the EU? Under the last few years why you would feel inferior just doesn't make sense And I am very supportive of the EU but its all about the economic success and this is a good benchmark

No there is some issue still there about where they come from, Dark wouldn't even tell me where he lived when I first asked him and alum snapped at me and assumed something when I asked him I hope I'm not embarrassing you guys but its better to just discuss these things so there is nothing weird or strange about where you live

I am from EU Yes but you also understand life under Communism...you know how bad things can be Do you think people who never lived under the USSR understand it? I have talked about it with my boss from UK/Scotland who is hardcore socialist, he was unnable to get even a glympse . but I was lucky that i was living in it only like year or two Its annoying when people who have never lived under Communism but live now in first world countries complain and say things like " Communism is more fairer than Capitalism" ...yes I respect some countries prefer the USSR like Mam War but he is more the exception