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Volo, well done. You have found one of ways to actually annoy me even though I know I should ignore it and now you are forcing me to respond .....even though I know you dont care in the way you should I never said anything of the sort, I had several detailed chats to Raithe and my predictions so far have been correct So why dont you produce the links where I said that?

It's not the industry per se that worries the politicians. It's the financial services sector which makes up 78% of the GDP. The Brits are the true masters of Banking, making the Swiss look like amateurs. They've just been better at keeping a low profile and maintain their tax havens and general lack of transparency on the channel islands, London and Gibraltar. If they suddenly can't do all those less visible transactions without scrutiny through the already existing channels, it might cause more than just a few sleepless nights. They might even start frowning. 100 % correct, half my family live in London and work in the banking sector Its the strength of the UK financial sector in the UK that I was alluding to earlier when I said the UK has some clever people and can survive BREXIT But I find on this forum and other mediums some people have an understandable but unnecessary automatic dislike of the banking sector and I felt that I may actually create some bias towards the UK if I came across as saying " the UK can survive leaving the EU easier than many other countries because the core strength of The City (London financial sector ) is not at all dependant on being part of the EU. This is a huge advantage to the overall sustainability of the UK once it leaves the EU

This is an excellent example of an interesting anecdotal story that I always find interesting You are very good at making posts that are detailed but captivating, Gromnir also has that talent

They are Eurosceptic, they want to end free movement, dissolve the Euro, keep the common trade bloc, promote traditional family roles, are pro gun rights, etc. With multiculturalism a failure, immigration driving low skill wages down making the poor poorer, and the leftist feminist drive to destroy the traditional family I can see the appeal But some of these objectives seem inconsistent, you cant have the EU and the single market without the Euro as the currency and the central government in Brussels It surprises me people keep bringing this up as a reasonable objective ? More and more people are seeing this as a mistake and wish to decentralize, return to old currencies and work as partners instead. People are witnessing the erosion of the things that matter the most to them(their people, culture, heritage and identity) and the EU is actively collaborating in its acceleration and people are getting fed up with it. A soft democratic process of removing political power from Brussels, abolishment of the multicultural project (which is ironically enough destroying our cultural differences), forced integration, enforced borders and a sound policy of return of refugees will alleviate the worst of sociatal grievances and ensure a calmer future for all europeans nations. Then they can finally make the necessary structural changes to make sure that their central banks are not privately owned and controlled by their governments instead in order effectively destroy the cancer called 'globalism' (for more information on the last part, i would like to refer to the documentary 'The Princes of the Yen'). If not, then we will be heading into a manufactured crisis with a resulting war and a final death in the vein of the poem 'The Hollow Men' by T.S. Eliot. You raise some good points that are relevant to you and your personal experience which I'm sure is shared by many others in the EU In the past I have been a little condescending by these types of comments and said things like " you think you want this but you dont really " ....but I'll explain in more detail what I really mean When you say " People are witnessing the erosion of the things that matter the most to them(their people, culture, heritage and identity) and the EU is actively collaborating in its acceleration " what if you gained these things by leaving the EU but the consequence was the crash or utter dysfunction of your economy? You see basically every person on this forum who lives in the EU has probably only known about life in the EU, its not anyones fault but you guys all live in first world countries where the EU and your governments are functional. You are use to this and unintentionally take this for granted You complain about lack of sovereignty and immigrant quotas being enforced and I understand these things matter but imagine a failed healthcare system, broken government institutions, high unemployment or a government simply not caring what its citizens think. This the reality many countries and there citizens face outside the EU I am not fearmongering but I cannot see how any current member state , outside the UK, could in this current reality of such tight economic integration leave the EU and gets it old currency back and somehow be able to sustain its economy outside the EU....the economic impact would be so severe to the average citizen it would almost unimaginable So imagine a failed economy outside the EU but you have your sovereignty back ...would it matter ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773601/UK-economy-proving-doubters-wrong-says-Theresa-amid-signs-country-avoid-recession-Brexit-vote.html I think economic collapse isn't something that is necessarily a big concern. It is so nice that British economy don't necessary collapse just because they had a vote. But guys again I need to stress this point, the UK is in a unique position compared to most other EU countries where they can leave the EU and after the 12-18 months of adjusting to there new reality I am confident they will be in a sustainable and relatively robust economic position. And this doesn't mean I am saying the UK is necessarily better than many other very strong EU countries it just means the UK is less dependant and integrated into the EU on a economic structural level The UK does have some of the strongest industries in the EU and there really are some very bright people who live and work in the UK. That article about Teresa May says " the UK will avoid a recession " ....that was never something I even considered. The definition of recession is 2 quarters of negative growth so that would mean 6 months of negative growth. This would be a huge problem if it happened but it takes something like the 2008 crisis to impact a country like the UK and it did happen then ...and BREXIT isnt the 2008 crisis Of course there is risk the UK may go into recession if it makes bad decisions or is impacted by unforeseen consequences of BREXIT. For example Japan has invested 38 Billion pounds in the UK and has warned Teresa May what they expect from BREXIT and what would cause Japanese companies to relocate http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37270372?SThisFB So one of the worse case scenarios is where the UK fails to create meaningful trade links and new agreements with the EU and certain foreign investors will pull out of the UK but this is highly unlikely as most investors do like and prefer having there HQ in the UK and the Teresa May government understands this and will ensure these companies dont pull out

The Danes on the forum are likely to disagree with your assessment Yeah I knew someone was going to raise the Denmark example....there is always someone who likes to be clever But Denmark is an exception and Denmark is very integrated into the structures of the EU ....I cant imagine Denmark ever seriously leaving ?

They are Eurosceptic, they want to end free movement, dissolve the Euro, keep the common trade bloc, promote traditional family roles, are pro gun rights, etc. With multiculturalism a failure, immigration driving low skill wages down making the poor poorer, and the leftist feminist drive to destroy the traditional family I can see the appeal But some of these objectives seem inconsistent, you cant have the EU and the single market without the Euro as the currency and the central government in Brussels It surprises me people keep bringing this up as a reasonable objective ? More and more people are seeing this as a mistake and wish to decentralize, return to old currencies and work as partners instead. People are witnessing the erosion of the things that matter the most to them(their people, culture, heritage and identity) and the EU is actively collaborating in its acceleration and people are getting fed up with it. A soft democratic process of removing political power from Brussels, abolishment of the multicultural project (which is ironically enough destroying our cultural differences), forced integration, enforced borders and a sound policy of return of refugees will alleviate the worst of sociatal grievances and ensure a calmer future for all europeans nations. Then they can finally make the necessary structural changes to make sure that their central banks are not privately owned and controlled by their governments instead in order effectively destroy the cancer called 'globalism' (for more information on the last part, i would like to refer to the documentary 'The Princes of the Yen'). If not, then we will be heading into a manufactured crisis with a resulting war and a final death in the vein of the poem 'The Hollow Men' by T.S. Eliot. You raise some good points that are relevant to you and your personal experience which I'm sure is shared by many others in the EU In the past I have been a little condescending by these types of comments and said things like " you think you want this but you dont really " ....but I'll explain in more detail what I really mean When you say " People are witnessing the erosion of the things that matter the most to them(their people, culture, heritage and identity) and the EU is actively collaborating in its acceleration " what if you gained these things by leaving the EU but the consequence was the crash or utter dysfunction of your economy? You see basically every person on this forum who lives in the EU has probably only known about life in the EU, its not anyones fault but you guys all live in first world countries where the EU and your governments are functional. You are use to this and unintentionally take this for granted You complain about lack of sovereignty and immigrant quotas being enforced and I understand these things matter but imagine a failed healthcare system, broken government institutions, high unemployment or a government simply not caring what its citizens think. This the reality many countries and there citizens face outside the EU I am not fearmongering but I cannot see how any current member state , outside the UK, could in this current reality of such tight economic integration leave the EU and gets it old currency back and somehow be able to sustain its economy outside the EU....the economic impact would be so severe to the average citizen it would almost unimaginable So imagine a failed economy outside the EU but you have your sovereignty back ...would it matter ?

I love these forum philosophical discussions, they can be very entertaining when stoned We all have different experiences with what we define as the truth and how our ideas align, many of my ideas are absolutely aligned to the truth. For example I believe in gender equality because its not only the truth that a society where women are treated equally to men makes for a better society but also because its my personal view\idea that women should be equal to men I also firmly believe the truth and its importance in many cases is real and substantive....but the weather is just the weather. No association for me to the truth ?

Yes but the Truth can also be nice, in this case Justin Trudeau comes across as not just believing in gender equality but also implementing it. Yes it may all be a facade but I believe him....so Volo's "truth " in this case is biased and negative So human ideas dont necessarily need to temper truth, they can and should be aligned

Volo thats not a very nice thing to say about your PM?

No because I'm sure you know how to google. Thats what I thought, you dont really want to have a debate about facts No problem, it would be wasting my time if you werent really interested

Its not bad, it neglects certain facts like the fact the FBI found all or most of the deleted emails. We discussed this before, data recovery software works well in cases like this https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-finds-deleted-clinton-emails-112714810.html?ref=gs That story is old and inaccurate. She used Bleachbit, which makes the data impossible to recover. Try not to use year old stories as evidence. They get stale real fast. Edit: "The Hill" also seems fairly unbiased, although it's also a matter of which stories get coverage at all. When I read Breitbart, it's less that I like the conservative bias, it's that they cover the stories that interest me, which no one else covers. Actually WOD I can raise many inconsistencies and hyperbole based on fact about the so called " criminal behavior " of Hilary around this email scandal. I do this for a living and many things she has been accused of aren't applicable So for starters can you provide links about this " Bleachbit " ? So we can have this debate about facts but I dont think the facts really matter to you in this case? This is not attack on you, I just dont think you want your opinion changed It would be like you telling me " Trump cares about African Americans and there economic reality " ..... You can replace trump with pretty much any politician in that statement and it would be unsupportable. I suppose if you cynical and believe politicians lie that would be true but take your PM? Dont you think he believes in the importance of gender equality? Also when you hear Trump suddenly now try to be nice to the Latinos and African American it just sounds fake ....I dont believe a word he says I'm just saying, Democrats have claimed to care about blacks for a long time, but none of their policies have done anything to help them. Its an interesting point you raise and something I am very aware of because of Apartheid My experience with how black people respond or align with is not necessarily about actual tangible results. Its starts with respect, the Clintons historically are considered friends of African Americans (AA )and that matters on numerous levels Also there are many wealthy AA in the USA but yes some AA do live in poverty and its almost generational and hard for them to break out of it

" Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....the media is being unfair ....waaaaaaaaaaaaa " Volo blaming the media is like getting angry at Bioware for betraying gamers because they became more inclusive True enough. You can't fault a compass for pointing north. The media is mostly biased towards liberals. It's just how it is. You can find plenty of media of varying degrees of popularity and quality that slant right. You can tilt at windmills all day. The Wall Street Journal. U.S. News and World Report. Investor's Business Daily. Fox News. NewsMax. Breitbart. WorldNetDaily. The New York Post. The Washington Times. Etc.,.. Many people nowadays tend to get their news from sources they are already pre-disposed to agree with anyway. Check this one out, tell me what you think. I've been reading/watching for a month now. So far I haven't found a bit of bias, It's pretty straight forward & factual: http://www.oann.com/ Its not bad, it neglects certain facts like the fact the FBI found all or most of the deleted emails. We discussed this before, data recovery software works well in cases like this https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-finds-deleted-clinton-emails-112714810.html?ref=gs That story is old and inaccurate. She used Bleachbit, which makes the data impossible to recover. Try not to use year old stories as evidence. They get stale real fast. Edit: "The Hill" also seems fairly unbiased, although it's also a matter of which stories get coverage at all. When I read Breitbart, it's less that I like the conservative bias, it's that they cover the stories that interest me, which no one else covers. Actually WOD I can raise many inconsistencies and hyperbole based on fact about the so called " criminal behavior " of Hilary around this email scandal. I do this for a living and many things she has been accused of aren't applicable So for starters can you provide links about this " Bleachbit " ? So we can have this debate about facts but I dont think the facts really matter to you in this case? This is not attack on you, I just dont think you want your opinion changed It would be like you telling me " Trump cares about African Americans and there economic reality " ..... You can replace trump with pretty much any politician in that statement and it would be unsupportable. I suppose if you cynical and believe politicians lie that would be true but take your PM? Dont you think he believes in the importance of gender equality? Also when you hear Trump suddenly now try to be nice to the Latinos and African American it just sounds fake ....I dont believe a word he says

Do you know I still havent played Skyrim yet ....I am busy with the expansions of w3 but once done I'll play Far Cry 4 and then move on Skyrim, I have the GOTY edition You might as well skp FarCry 4, unless you want to choose between Indonesian alt right extremist or Indonesian Anita Sarkeessian. Pagan Min is best ending. I am not a very critical person when it comes to gaming, I enjoyed Far Cry 3....so hopefully 4 is similar? I like doing the side quests like hunting

I would say that it is better idea than let one country decide who has right to have root name servers and what kind domains there can be. But I have my doubts that things will changes to any direction, as there is already Governmental advisory committee where there are representatives from most of world countries and observers from lots of international organizations. The root name servers are distributed around the world for redundancy. Queries very seldom ever reach them because of caching technology. The root name servers are a . record and have records of the top level domains but the records are replicated between the root name servers. So it doesnt matter who manages them as many countries take house them Servers don't matter as much as content. They will try to dictate what content should be allowed, which will lead to what happens in despotic Communism: snitching about things that never happened to get someone in trouble and middle manager overregulating because they don't want to get in trouble with the higher ups. Plus if you think that they won 't come up with an excuse to go after competing servers then your are very naive. After all most people don't have enough tech know how to understand or care about this. I can understand that concern but end of the day the actual data is not the concern of the DNS system, DNS simply routes your query to the " www" or " "ftp " which is the actual server that contains the data. The root name servers dont know about the domains lower than the top level So yes some governments do block some internet sites but the ownership of the root name servers is important but it cant be used to block access to lower sites as this would crash many queries and make overall browsing inconsistent But they cant use competing servers as then you would need another similar system to DNS, like every company uses its own private DNS, and another competing DNS would be pointless as who would want to register with it ? For one they can dictate content, otherwise good bye being on the mainstream portion of the internet. Secondly, you're not seeing this situation as a whole; is like saying that controlling the roads has no bearing on you driving your car (Tolls will prove you wrong). The fact is that this will put globalist interests and national interests at odds when they're not aligned, which gives whomever is lining the pockets of the EU control over the Internet. They can't dictate the content. It is technically impossible. Yes Elerond is correct, the DNS system doesnt dictate content because if you think about it a DNS query is simply a name to IP address translation. DNS doesnt care about content, only routing

They are Eurosceptic, they want to end free movement, dissolve the Euro, keep the common trade bloc, promote traditional family roles, are pro gun rights, etc. With multiculturalism a failure, immigration driving low skill wages down making the poor poorer, and the leftist feminist drive to destroy the traditional family I can see the appeal But some of these objectives seem inconsistent, you cant have the EU and the single market without the Euro as the currency and the central government in Brussels It surprises me people keep bringing this up as a reasonable objective ? Why would you need a common currency to have free movement of goods? The EU as a trading bloc with free movement of goods within it and the European commission simply in charge of negotiating trade for the bloc is what most EU countries signed up for if I remember correctly. The EU real purpose is about economic trade and access to the single market., its suppose to be about a group of countries that have agreed on tariffs and trade laws so that business within the union is cost effective and easy. So for example someone living in Hungary who wants to export .....swords? to Spain and Italy knows that the cost to do this is understood and regulated and that no government can suddenly charge extra tax and make the sale of the swords expensive. This makes understanding things like profitability and costs of doing business much simpler Logically this is much easier to maintain with a single currency because if you had the original multiple currencies it would make the ability to manage this system much harder because some currencies are weaker and more unstable than others And yes free movement is also an objective for citizens of the EU but I question how balanced this is as its normally the same countries people want to immigrate to ...like the UK which can be seen as unfair if you live in the UK

I would say that it is better idea than let one country decide who has right to have root name servers and what kind domains there can be. But I have my doubts that things will changes to any direction, as there is already Governmental advisory committee where there are representatives from most of world countries and observers from lots of international organizations. The root name servers are distributed around the world for redundancy. Queries very seldom ever reach them because of caching technology. The root name servers are a . record and have records of the top level domains but the records are replicated between the root name servers. So it doesnt matter who manages them as many countries take house them Servers don't matter as much as content. They will try to dictate what content should be allowed, which will lead to what happens in despotic Communism: snitching about things that never happened to get someone in trouble and middle manager overregulating because they don't want to get in trouble with the higher ups. Plus if you think that they won 't come up with an excuse to go after competing servers then your are very naive. After all most people don't have enough tech know how to understand or care about this. I can understand that concern but end of the day the actual data is not the concern of the DNS system, DNS simply routes your query to the " www" or " "ftp " which is the actual server that contains the data. The root name servers dont know about the domains lower than the top level So yes some governments do block some internet sites but the ownership of the root name servers is important but it cant be used to block access to lower sites as this would crash many queries and make overall browsing inconsistent But they cant use competing servers as then you would need another similar system to DNS, like every company uses its own private DNS, and another competing DNS would be pointless as who would want to register with it ?

Do you know I still havent played Skyrim yet ....I am busy with the expansions of w3 but once done I'll play Far Cry 4 and then move on Skyrim, I have the GOTY edition

They are Eurosceptic, they want to end free movement, dissolve the Euro, keep the common trade bloc, promote traditional family roles, are pro gun rights, etc. With multiculturalism a failure, immigration driving low skill wages down making the poor poorer, and the leftist feminist drive to destroy the traditional family I can see the appeal But some of these objectives seem inconsistent, you cant have the EU and the single market without the Euro as the currency and the central government in Brussels It surprises me people keep bringing this up as a reasonable objective ?

I would say that it is better idea than let one country decide who has right to have root name servers and what kind domains there can be. But I have my doubts that things will changes to any direction, as there is already Governmental advisory committee where there are representatives from most of world countries and observers from lots of international organizations. The root name servers are distributed around the world for redundancy. Queries very seldom ever reach them because of caching technology. The root name servers are a . record and have records of the top level domains but the records are replicated between the root name servers. So it doesnt matter who manages them as many countries take house them

" Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....the media is being unfair ....waaaaaaaaaaaaa " Volo blaming the media is like getting angry at Bioware for betraying gamers because they became more inclusive True enough. You can't fault a compass for pointing north. The media is mostly biased towards liberals. It's just how it is. You can find plenty of media of varying degrees of popularity and quality that slant right. You can tilt at windmills all day. The Wall Street Journal. U.S. News and World Report. Investor's Business Daily. Fox News. NewsMax. Breitbart. WorldNetDaily. The New York Post. The Washington Times. Etc.,.. Many people nowadays tend to get their news from sources they are already pre-disposed to agree with anyway. Check this one out, tell me what you think. I've been reading/watching for a month now. So far I haven't found a bit of bias, It's pretty straight forward & factual: http://www.oann.com/ Its not bad, it neglects certain facts like the fact the FBI found all or most of the deleted emails. We discussed this before, data recovery software works well in cases like this https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-finds-deleted-clinton-emails-112714810.html?ref=gs That story is old and inaccurate. She used Bleachbit, which makes the data impossible to recover. Try not to use year old stories as evidence. They get stale real fast. Edit: "The Hill" also seems fairly unbiased, although it's also a matter of which stories get coverage at all. When I read Breitbart, it's less that I like the conservative bias, it's that they cover the stories that interest me, which no one else covers. Actually WOD I can raise many inconsistencies and hyperbole based on fact about the so called " criminal behavior " of Hilary around this email scandal. I do this for a living and many things she has been accused of aren't applicable So for starters can you provide links about this " Bleachbit " ? So we can have this debate about facts but I dont think the facts really matter to you in this case? This is not attack on you, I just dont think you want your opinion changed It would be like you telling me " Trump cares about African Americans and there economic reality " .....

Many people do whatever, but around here most people don't look to care about the news much at all. For big events everyone'll have an opinion. Elsetimes not. Most people I know see stories on facebook and watch cat videos or maybe talk about human interest. they don't care about what's going on in the world. Interesting to chinwag here because of the political discussions unavailable elsewhere but apathy, not partisanship, is the real evil in the world today. " using facebook as a source of news " You might as well say the Obsidian forums are where you get your information from But I have learnt loads from anecdotal stories from members on these forums but this is more about actual citizens views on the social dynamics in there countries and how they view what this means. Its not necessarily factual but relevant nonetheless as its part of understanding why people have certain views

" Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....the media is being unfair ....waaaaaaaaaaaaa " Volo blaming the media is like getting angry at Bioware for betraying gamers because they became more inclusive True enough. You can't fault a compass for pointing north. The media is mostly biased towards liberals. It's just how it is. You can find plenty of media of varying degrees of popularity and quality that slant right. You can tilt at windmills all day. The Wall Street Journal. U.S. News and World Report. Investor's Business Daily. Fox News. NewsMax. Breitbart. WorldNetDaily. The New York Post. The Washington Times. Etc.,.. Many people nowadays tend to get their news from sources they are already pre-disposed to agree with anyway. Check this one out, tell me what you think. I've been reading/watching for a month now. So far I haven't found a bit of bias, It's pretty straight forward & factual: http://www.oann.com/ Its not bad, it neglects certain facts like the fact the FBI found all or most of the deleted emails. We discussed this before, data recovery software works well in cases like this https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-finds-deleted-clinton-emails-112714810.html?ref=gs

" Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....the media is being unfair ....waaaaaaaaaaaaa " Volo blaming the media is like getting angry at Bioware for betraying gamers because they became more inclusive

Exactly, that should be a valid question but I think this rejection of Merkels view on immigration is more about emotion and anger at the direction Germany has taken...its not about actual policy at the moment I'll be honest if I was Merkel I would accept the reality of the political situation, yes it could have worked allowing large amounts of immigrants into the EU but if she continues on this path she could lose the government election ....so I would start reversing the policy in a reasonable and sensible way

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3489936/Angela-Merkel-set-punished-voters-open-door-refugee-policy-Germany-s-Super-Sunday-state-elections.html http://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkels-conservatives-lose-two-major-regional-elections/ This is a huge development, I am not that surprised but I am disappointed by this result because I like Merkel and really respect her but the frustration being felt by EU citizens cannot be ignored ....clearly So now what? Will Merkels party see this as a warning and change policy?