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But on a serious note the strip clubs I sometimes frequent have rules and standards. Any guy doing what you witnessed in the toilet would be thrown out the club by the bouncers immediately And I promise you they enforce their own rules including making it a big no no for any unwarranted touching of the girls unless they fine with it

, okay you win....that story is enough to put most people off going to a strip club Imagine you sitting at the bar having a drink and that guy comes up to you and wants to chat ....

Your story is not unique which is why I asked Gfted1, some people dont need to interact with other people so their would be less urgency. I understand that ..I wish in some ways I was in your boat

GD you must be missing something that fits some gregarious objective ....what about all those amazing Tennessee strip clubs you have been denying yourself ...you must be missing those

Can you share why you not keen to take the vaccine, I cant wait for mine but in SA its months away. I desperately want to socialize again, I miss meeting random strangers in bars and eating in any restaurant I want. I also need it for my work and the ability to see customers and go onsite So for me it cant come sooner but I am not sure how this lockdown has impacted your life ?

You make some good points and I dont support the Trump bigotry around his generalizations he made of some Latinos but their are parts of Mexico almost under the control of the Cartels so in way its similar to non-conflict zones in Western Pakistan where the Taliban find sanctuary amongst certain tribes and I support drone attacks or necessary cross border raids ( that is how Bin Laden was killed ) in that area. So your question about bombing Mexican Cartels is interesting Yes I do think drones should be used for targeting Mexican Drug Cartels within the Mexican border but only with the agreement of the Mexican government because Mexico is an important trade and economic ally and its not like they have no control of the drug cartel regions so you need to include them in drone strikes And their must be accurate intelligence verified by military intelligence, I trust the US security forces to make the right decision most of the time

Oh....I see ...okay I assumed you were joking Yes a working and functional NK would be much better for the region but its not possible just China is going to be able fix the broken economy of NK. Because China already is the only reason NK hasn't utterly collapsed as it always has provided various economic and financial lifelines So what you would need is regime change in NK or serious political changes, like NK no longer being a hermit dictatorship , to allow other countries to want to trade with NK ....but this going to take a long time so I wouldnt hold my breath waiting ?

I started playing Fable Anniversary its very early days but so far so good I have to say the game makes me laugh, like really laugh with the lines and comments from NPC's. Especially with the outrage when my character as a boy decides to do some " evil " things like accepting a bribe for not ratting on someone who was cheating on his wife

I always appreciate your early morning humor, people dont joke much anymore on these forums

Yes I am very familiar with that conflict as I live in SA and I have worked in the DRC Its not a well known conflict but one that cost many lives and the DRC still is a country that is unstable and its people suffer terribly but most of the interventions from African countries in the DRC are about gaining resources. That war was no different, if you look at the countries that sent armies to "help " you will notice countries like Angola, Namibia and Zimbabwe got involved and they have no real tribal or ethic link to the DRC yet they somehow could send troops yet we dont see that type of commitment from Africa leadership in dealing with any other conflict on the continent. Like Somalia or current violence in northern Mozambique with that Al- Shabaab linked group The DRC should be the wealthiest country in Africa and its people should have a great life but its vast resources have always made it a target for other countries to " intervene " and help yet its not about helping the people of the DRC

Yes that is true and their is a UN sponsored military force but how effective has it been and where is the real commitment from the AU that is suppose to deal with its own internal conflicts ? Kenya was forced to intervene because Al-Shabaab militants were literally crossing the border and kidnapping Western tourists and doing immense harm to the perception of Kenya tourism https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14943300 And since then Kenya has faced the wrath of Al-Shabaab attacks and suffered hundreds of casualties like the example below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westgate_shopping_mall_attack And then their are the terrible military casualties their own forces and others have faced within Somalia in the real efforts and sacrifice to defeat Al-Shabaab https://www.newsweek.com/somali-president-al-shabaab-el-adde-430287 But the truth is if the AU really had the political will and was prepared to commit its own resources to the real objective of a united, working African continent ( which can be achieved, its not a pipedream ) we would have a proper effort and ending of this type of violence and instability

Definitely not, its a stretch to suggest because I support the US military primarily being the ones to authorize drone strikes I would ever support the appalling and illegal behavior of the Junta in Myanmar

No I dont hate Democracy or Democratically elected governments at all. Of course not and I dont want a military junta running any country This debate around Drone strikes has been around for a long time and despite what you may think or believe their is a valid case for it and their has also been a movement to stop it and make them harder to initiate That is what this is about, the article is just an outcome now that the Biden is in power, its not about left vs right because Obama authorized many drone strikes or his administration did. Its more about the type of war countries are involved in and the nature of war Anyway thanks for the debate, I think we have made our respective points and we can agree to disagree

I dont know who specifically at the National Security Council has military experience, I will take your word for it But when you say " Civilian leadership and oversight is one of the core tenets of our military" I am not sure what your define by that because I have been following the US military since 9/11 and drone strikes have been around for ages and that was part of the official strategy. So their is no reason it cant continue but now changes are coming but that doesn't mean the previous strategies weren't part of what anyone can define as " core tenets of our military" So in other words you dont need this extra oversight and it would still be an acceptable military strategy because it has been used for years

This post made me think of something, we dont rely on the advice generally on layman or non-qualified people in other sectors of our lives. For example its doctors and scientists who carry the most weight in most countries when it comes to Corona and I dont know one bank I have ever worked at that relies on people outside the financial sector or have no banking experience to decide business strategy So why should the military be different? Surly its the same thing, we rely on people with military experience to define most strategies ?

Welcome back 2133, you have been quiet for a while and I was worried about you. This pandemic has wrecked havoc in many families and you never know who might have succumbed to it, glad you okay

This made me laugh

Yes, I am not suggesting their should be no civilian oversight across all military matters but it becomes complicated because when do you bring in civilian oversight when it comes to strategies like drone strikes in non-conflict areas? And which civilians because most civilians wont agree their is a valid reason for the examples I mentioned like the Swart Valley in Pakistan Yet their are known Taliban camps in this area which still actively kill Afghanistan citizens and US soldiers. So lets say for example you have input, would you support Drone strikes against these camps? Its unfair to expect civilians to decide military actions unless they understand the nature of the conflict

Its concerning because most civilians are not trained in military strategy so they have no institutional experience in warfare and the nature of warfare especially with dealing with Islamic extremist groups like AQ, ISIS or the Taliban

No thats missing the point completely. In a military conflict you leave the military decisions to experts and that is the military leaders and generals. If the generals and military intelligence decide to do a drone strike in a non-conflict area we should trust their is a valid reason because of the nebulous nature of how some these conflicts exist If the Taliban and other Islamic extremist groups were engaged in conventional warfare their would be no need for drone strikes but thats not the nature of how they conduct themselves And I will just ignore the second paragraph because that is not what I have tried to explain at all

Malc, wanting citizens of a country to somehow control the decisions of the military is a very bad idea and as Gfted1 said it really scares me

Okay, let me explain in more detail because I understand the various military conflicts the US are involved and how they involved can be complex and this creates additional confusion around the legitimacy of valid strategies like drone strikes The article states "Kirby said the action was part of a broader review by the new administration into the legal and policy frameworks that govern when and how these missions take place outside of parts of the world such as Yemen or Somalia that are clearly defined war zones, like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan " Also " "areas of active hostilities" – in an attempt to standardize the semi-legal policies governing U.S. troops operating in conflict zones where war had not been declared formally " So Pakistan is not considered a formal conflict zone and therefore drone strikes and Commando raids need additional authorization. But as I mentioned the Western border of Pakistan and an area known as the Swart Valley is not controlled by the Pakistan government and tribes hold sway. Some of these tribes give the Taliban sanctuary and the Taliban cross into Afghanistan to continue to prolong the war and commit acts of violence. So drone strikes are necessary even though Pakistan is not an active conflict zone, now this will be harder to initiate and make the war effort harder for the US and its allies. And I can give you similar examples in places like Yemen and Somalia https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/taliban-bomber-kills-11-soldiers-in-pakistans-swat-valley-5050995/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/10/7/us-drone-strikes-taliban-camp-in-pakistan

Yes I read the article and quoted from it, did you read my post ?

I see this as a bad but well meaning military decision I support both necessary drone strikes and Commando raids because it avoids boots on the ground in real conflict areas like dealing with the Taliban in Pakistan who cross the border to Afghanistan to kill US and other coalition soldiers and then run back like cowards across the border thinking they can find sanctuary in Pakistan. Im not sure what you think is a reasonable alternative in this actual example ? These types of military strategies reduce the real loss of lives. At least the article says "drone strikes and commando raids in some conflict zones "....so the operative is " some "

Our opinions are just words on any forum and dont translate to veracity Post links of all the violent protests the CCP has allowed to continue for months in China, if you cannot even support your own view with facts you undermine your own argument. Did you do debating at school, this is something you learn about how to make a convincing point in any debate