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Blast from the past. Spiritual Precursor of Ukrainian Junta is Duvalier Regime from Haiti. Too many similarities here. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1963/6/3/the-duvalier-regime-paccording-to-haitis/ http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14832-will-the-us-continue-to-obstruct-justice-for-duvaliers-victims-in-haiti http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2844.htm http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804
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what would you like to know? I could ask my friends from Russia. 1) do you see 'West' as an enemy? 2) If so, why? 3) do you still 'like' Soviet union idea? 4) what do you think about Lenin, Stalin? 5) do you think that what Russia done to east Europe in last 50 years was good or bad? 6) Do you think that anexing Ukraine teritory was just? 7) Do you think that separatism in Ukraine is just? Do you think that separatism in Chechna was/is just? 9) Do you agree with Putin? 10) Do you think that Russia is not in control of Oligarchs? 11) Dont you fear of nationalism wave running through Russia? 12) Doesnt seem as oximoron to call Ukraine fashists while large part of russia population actualy support nationalist ideas? (from my point of view) 13) Do you think Russia is supporting Donbas separatists? 14) Do you agree with it if you think they do? 15) How do you feel about Putin lies (eg. claim that there were no troops on Crime and then give medals to soldiers which were there?) 16) do you want war? 17) Do you think there is freedom in Russia? 18) Do you think there are political processes in Russia? 19) How do you feel about state censorship of internet and media (blogs, TVs etc.) 20) do you prefer 'pseudo' democracy or dictatorship? Few of them would be nice to have answear Just for comparison 1.Yes. 2. During 80s we give to West great opportunity to create new bright world without wars and many other bad things. But we overestimated West, they are too barbaric and too backward for this, they f***d everything during own childish attempts of rule the World. In result we are very skeptical about peaceful coexistence with West. Problem even not in Western rotten elites, but in whole Western culture quite backward but aggressive culture, with all this supermacism, self-idealization, racism and constant expansionism. Though this don't meant what all Western people are bad, but majority (mainstream eaters) is bad exactly. We not hate West really but considered them as potentially harmful thing ( monkeys with grenades - its always so scary ). 3. Soviet Union die and cant be resurrected. But anyway its very cool state, just uncial and greatest social experiment in story of humanity. Just to say what all world history of XX century is just reaction to events in USSR. 4. Lenin is cool progressor who implement in life ideas of Robida. Stalin backward petit bourgeois men who cancel everything, return orders of Russian Empire back and become new tsar. 5. They do good things and bad things too, though in comparison with current state of East Europe USSR rule looks mostly positive. 6. Yep. In Crimea nothing Ukrainian exist - everything is build by Russian Empire or Soviet Union, local population consider yourself as Russians, Russian business owe everything here etc, and most important thing - locals dont want be pert of failed state Ukraine. 7.Yep. When your country is piece of s****t - it's quite logical wish to create own state instead. 8. Nope, because no economical reasons exits for this, this is only worsened life of people here (In same time Tatarstan refuse separatism by this reason). In present time i don't notice significant separatism in Chechnya (while some sponsored by West "Russian" Neo-Nazi demand separate them). 9. In case of Crimea - yes, in case of protective self-isolationism -yes too. I not his supporter, but anyway he is more competent leader than all Western politician's. 10. Yes, Russia under control of Oligarchs, bu this is not meant what we must replace them by Western Oligarchs. 11. Nope, nationalism has no perspectives here, too multi-ethnic Empire we is ( more than 180 ethnicities ). Just to say most of Russian Neo-Nazi movements are Western creatures (i known one Nazi leader who constantly visit Norway where someone fund him ). 12. Fascism is power of corporations really and Ukraine quite fitted for this regime. Russian xenophobia and anti-Western alignment is not nationalism, nationalist's are marginals here. 13. Yes, but our support too small, we must give much more support to them. 14. Yes, national interests blah blah. 15. His speeches is just good trolling. Probably something missing during translation to foreign languages, we understand who really acting in Crimea from first days. 16. Current world order is terrible, but can't be changed without war. Sad but True, big war in Europe happened soon by same reason which cause WW1. 17.Yep, government control only huge cities as Moscow, while 90 % of Russian territory has independent life. Some sort of Wild West we are. 18. Yes, but these processes Western media don't showed, only artificial shows created by Kremlin's own hands (**** Riots). 19. Any censorship is bad. Personally i don't have problems with censorship in Russia, actually i more censored here (or on 4chan where i banned for political speeches). 20. Why i must prefer between these sort's of s**t? I refuse both.
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New portion of news. Murican guy who fight on side of Junta in paramilitary battallion has been killed. Ukrainian Junta-supporters cry about this lose. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/american-donbas-battalion-member-dies-in-fierce-fighting-near-donetsk-city-361285.html http://youtu.be/F4DpPr9xy5U RIP sweet prince. New video ( 1.5 hours long, translated to English ) about war crimes performed by Junta in East Ukraine. Cauton! not for children's. Why Western "independent" media channels kept silence about these crimes? Oh, i forgot, West sponsored these crimes by sending money and arms for Ukrainian Army. Western freedom of speech yeah.
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"Independent" news channels don't exist nowhere in world. Someone alwais owe them, pay money to them and obviously decide what sort of information must be spreaded. Or do you think someone waste money to media just for lulz? If Russians want independent news they just talk with informed people who live in place where some event happened, or just visit this place and watch all by own eyes, no media channel needed for it. Also some internet resources for talking quite good for taking news.
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The Iraq war was a disgrace, but sometimes we forget just how much
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You too slow, Monroe doctine don't working more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine Our bases must be appeared in South America soon. Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ecuador, Cuba very friendly with us and don't like US (non-surprisingly) now. -
Argh! Your simpleminded statements just kill me! This "independent" media channel belongs to Russian oligarh Aleksandr Vinokurov. This guy is very-very tied with some factions in Russian government. http://www.acg.ru/english/impact_of_crisis_on_russian_oligarchs_examined Actually this is quite dirty story. http://ru-facts.com/news/view/30438.html
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Polish guy teach German guy about freedom lol.
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1. Stop talking about Democratic systems while such systems don't exist in current time - everywhere in world only oligarchic republics with patricians and powerless plebs. 2. Even someone make true Democracy (technically this is can be make'd now) this is not mean Democracies are "best way", until you give proofs of it (IRL all Democracies has been defeated by oligarchies or tyrannies). 3. Your problem (and Western politics) - you don't understand what Russia is and who are Russians. Do you seriously belive Russians criticize Putin because he so un-democratic and not support Maidan, take Crimea and support rebels in East Ukraine? In Russia opposition criticise Putin because he is too peaceful, too softcore, too friendly with West, too weak, don't want invade Ukraine and ban EU food only now while opposition demand do this yet 10 years ago. Ok, imagine West overthrow him (though this is too stupid in 2018 year he stop being a president anyway), but who replace him in this case? Someone pro-West aka "democratic"? No way really, only someone much harder, much aggresive, much hostile to West. West again demontrate own strategic stupidity as in case of Somalia, Lybia, Sirya, Afghanistan or Iraq too.
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By your logic important and influential countries must suck US lingam. It's obvious substitution of concepts. As i tell before we are quite happy when our enemies blaming us, much worse when they praise us as it been during ****ty rule of Gorbachev and Yeltzin. Western approval of our actions is not needed for us, i even wondering why someone can think what Russians do want Western praise.
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Oh no! Again Putin!
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Do you mean a full-scale Russian invasion with tanks and hordes of cannon fodder as it's typically portrayed in US patriotic movies/games? We really don't want do this. And we really don't need do this if we someday decide destroy USA. What is traditional war? When Reich during WW2 raep such cool and powerful army as French by new style of warfare - this is traditional or not? Anyway Russia always be some sort of desert, vast armies never exist here. Current Russian government quite smart for understanding this and typically prefer more subtle methods for reach of own goals. For example someone really thinking Russians try defeat Ukrainian Junta by military force? Nope, goal is quite different - overheating Junta and help them shot own leg. Just look at them - they are bankrupts, treasury is empty, civil war consume all their moneys and they continue this war only because US (or US taxpayers ) pay for it. They destroy own industry and own huge cities, separate own people by hate and killings... and most important things they don't have money for restore all this.. They all deadmen, their state is dead, they too slow and don't understand yet but their fate is doomed and no chances exist for escape from this. EU can try save them... but this is even better... Ukrainian crisis may overheated them too... even today conflict inside EU increased dramatic... Eurosceptics take power... probably EU is main target in this conflict. While you thinking a new video about crying Junta military forces. http://youtu.be/POQqlvKjDgg And othere video where happy Rebels go to battle. http://youtu.be/GffdgaWKZSk
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Yep, some oligarchs and their servants are pro-West here. It's quite normal, but probably this is too difficult for Western citizens. On West too much nationalistic pattern of thinking ( all Russians are bad, all Muslims are bad, all Jews are good and so on). Wut? Do you talk about few police operations against local criminals? What separatism do you talking about?
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Best pickup tricks from me (i never do this but watch how young Britt's/Germans do this constantly). 1. Visit any resort with big amount of young alcoholics (Ibiza, Golden sands, Lloret de Mar etc ). 2. You must choice right target. This is British or German girls. No, not these beautiful ones. Your prey is fugly girl with lack of sex. Avoid Russian girls - they just ignore you... because you don't known Russian language and anyway they think foreigners are not-attractive. If Russian girl do want meet with you - flee from her so fast as you can - she is not from Russia but migrant from USSR instead, avoid her, she just want steal your money. 3. Drink vodka or beer. If you forgot - she is ugly and alcohol fix this. 4. Drink yet moar vodka, she is really fugly. 5. Just ask all girls do want they make love with you or not. Some poor souls do want (especially if they are drunk too). 6. .... 7. PROFIT 8. Visit venereologist.
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Look here. In 1993 year supported by West forces overthrow Soviet parlament and take power in Moscow. Their opponents fled to periphery into Chechnya (some of parlament leaders are Chechens) and pro-West neo-liberals continue fight against them here. Same pattern in Ukraine now - supported by West oligarchs overthrow government in Kiev - their opponents fled to home region from capital and war continued here. In both cases West run these processes and fully responsible for blood baths happened later. Ukraine now is copy paste from Yeltsin Russia (and thos mean Ukraine suck so much), same reasons cause same problems. Another examples of **** caused by West is Somalia, Libya (US officially name them as terrorists now and evacuate diplomats), Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. But as childs Westlings continue mumbling "This is not our fault" and try evade responsibility again and again
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Facepalm. When foreigners tell fairy tales about Russia looks so stupid. How it's be IRL 1.Supported by West "democratic" president Yeltsin bloody suppress rebellion of Soviets in Moscow. These Rebels are fully supported by Chechen's, their leader - High ranked Soviet general Dudaev planned become new minister of Defense in new Soviet government. Chechnya stay only one region of ex-USSR where privatization are banned and Soviet order are stay untouched. But rebels fail and many of them flle into Chechnya and Chechnya become new center of resistance against pro-West puppets in Kremlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_d'état_attempt 2. Obviously pro-West forces attack Chechnya after this - war is begin. During war all Soviets in Chechnya are killed (include Dudaev) and controlled by Kremlin/West right-wingers take power. Reasons to continue this war don't exist more and peace treaty is signed. 3. Everything is bad in Chechnya - some sort of Somali on Caucasus. Western neo-liberals punish them for such resistance - war never ended here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_Republic_of_Ichkeria 4. Controlled by western neo-liberals Chechen's attack Russia - Putin defeat them, restore order and totally rebuild this republic. Obviously West blaming Putin not for war in Chechnya, but because he kick arses of Western puppeteers from this region. And some guys mindlessly continue blaming Putin for war in Chechnya though he stop this war IRL.
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Good Old Black Panther manual of what to do in such situations Guerella warfare. But modern black Muricans are too pussies for this hardcore and true black panthers don't exist more (at least all true black panthers are jailed and organization transformed from international left power into some sort of black racist bogyman for good old "divide et impera" political games - they are just a puppets of government now).
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Sudden evidence of massive losings in Junta army. Ukraina buy old Soviet tanks (downgraded t-72) from Hungary. These tanks extremely worse than modern Ukrainian tanks, but this is looks like majority of them are destroyed. http://www.hidfo.net/2014/08/12/hulladekvas-araert-eladott-honvedsegi-harckocsik-utban-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele
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Poles talk about Russians the same way that anti-Semites talk about Jews . Typical Poles do want exterminate Russia, any Russia not important what political regime they have. Just some sort of Polish mania. http://naszdziennik.pl/mysl-felieton/87065,imperium-zla.html Another Polish guy has wet plans how destroy Russia. http://www.voltairenet.org/article30038.html Yet another Polish politican It's really typical Polish behaviour (though this is alwais make epic failure to them) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/6127277/World-War-2-Poland-was-conspiring-with-Nazis-to-destroy-Soviet-Union-Russia-claims.html Just Polish commoner tell about butthurt how he hate Russians. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/why-i-was-taught-to-hate-russians Poles do want place weapons of mass destruction into own country. By some intelligence reports PRO IRL is just covering for placing of US nukes in Europe instead of mythic missile defence (they fail majority of tests to intercept something). http://europeandisarmament.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/view-from-poland-we-need-us-nuclear-warheads-in-%D0%B5urope/ How everyone can wondering why Russians consider Poland as hostile country after this. But most disgusting thing - all these East European Russian-haters are cowards, they just have fear to say "Yes we are your enemies", they constantly try hide own hostile nature by childish lie, this is so infantile attempt don't take responsibility for their own actions. Same thing about Ukrainians. Firstly they shouted how they soon massacre ethnic Russians, and do this in some places (Odessa for example) - now they crying about evil "Russians" rebels who kill Ukrainian punishers. Looks like these idiots seriously believe that only they can kill opponents, when their opponents begin kill them in response this is so unfair. >Ukraine didnt have russian military harbour Nope, this harbour belongs to Russia. You too slow.
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23 years be a hostile to Russian people, constantly talking about necessity extermination of Russia, place foreign weapon on own territory to war against Russians, give to ethnic Russians status of subhumans... After this when Russians tell them what can happened with their countries in case of continue of this hostile politics they begin cry about evil nazi Russians, tell we want live they are friends... What a traitorous cowards these Limitrophe's are...
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Yes, yes Western butchers are our friends, reaally. They just want save us
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Guys, do you are seriously belive in that propagandistic crap about dying Russian economics? I hear such sentencies from western politicans during last 10 years. Anyway situation when our enemies worry about our economics looks comical. Something in style of Goebbels propaganda about difficult life in Soviet union with inviting go to "save" in German concentration camps. US "ministry of Truth" must try harder. (Though all this is for internal consumers, Obama stronk, victoryev erywhere, vote blah balh, losers must continue belive in "democraty").
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How Ukrainian propagand lie. Cauton! Corpses! http://ukrainewarlog.blogspot.com.br/2014/08/russian-soldiers-commit-torture-war.html?spref=tw&m=1 Here Ukrainians tell coolstories about how rebels torture and execute Ukrainian POW. IRL they change consequence of photos. Firstly this wounded guy captured by rebels after battle, later he lie wounded on ground and await evacuation (he a bit covered by blood because of this). After this rebels bring him to hospital where medics cure him. Local civilians try execute him in hospital, but rebels protect him. In near past rebels change this guy and other POW's to captured rebels (and captured rebels looks much worse after Ukrainian captivity). In other words all story in Ukrainian media is total bull**** . http://youtu.be/DIs9KsKR5nk P.S. About "Russian marine". This guy has Ukrainian surname, he is ethnic Ukrainian, he can reason to fight in this war. Anyone can dressed as Russian marine, it's quite easy - such dress can be buyed in any military shop. And even if this guy is citizen of Russia and serve someday in Russian military forces this proof nothing, it's his personal business what he do now, in this case he just a volunteer