TwinkieGorilla

Now that's what you call an angry drunk post, there. ^ Packers lost and I was drunk n' angry, whoo boy. And I'm feeling it all this morning. Anyway, Killian...you didn't actually address the content of my post.

You ignored the content of my post and gave a blind answer addressing nothing. I now find it hard to take seriously anything you post. Good job. Whining about VanBuren. Nobody does. Nobody whines about VanBuren. People Call FO3 sh!t because it is. People wish VanBuren didn't die with Interplay because it looked much more hopeful than anything Bethesda has or most likely ever will attempt to execute. Not much more complicated than that.

Who?! I asked you "who", partner. I get the message you're spewing out in the ether, but I'm asking you "who" is whining about VanBuren? As I said, when the topic comes up I see people lament about the way things went and the fact some of those great ideas will never be realized, but who is whining and where is this happening? Calling Fallout 3 crap and lamenting about the demise of Interplay (and VB along with it) are not parallel lines reaching the same end. They're two different things. Also, VanBuren didn't fail...Herve and Interplay failed. Big difference. Alsoplustoo, do you honestly think Bethesda had something to do with Interplay's failure to manage their business? Really, dude? Really?

Who the heck are you talking about? I've certainly seen people lament that the game never got made but who whines about that fact? People exclaim, usually in detail (or with a series of fairly purple adjectives), about how and why Fallout 3 deserves it's "Failout 3" title. But whine about VanBuren? What?

Damn. That was an excellent post, mang. Well said (though I don't necessarily agree 100% on every aspect of it, still a great diplomatic post). Um...congratulations? I guess? Way to assert yourself as a shining beacon of light (hehe) on an internet message board? You do realize everything about my obsessiveness is something I admit to yet is limited to the fairly superficial realm of the internet, right (like, my friends, family, girlfriend and I don't exactly discuss "what I've posted about Fallout today"). This is actually a very interesting discussion and one I've had many times since pre-release. I think Bethesda knew that they had to make a game which would and could cash in on something tried and true so the best "first step" in owning the franchise is to revive a dead series while keeping a great deal of familiarity with what made the game a favorite for so long. I don't have much invested emotionally in FO4 because FO3 was such a letdown, but it will certainly be interesting to see if Bethesda are capable of creating something as memorable as any of the beloved factions, characters, lines of dialogue...etc as the original games did. I certainly won't be holding my breath. The one major credit I will give them.

As in all areas of life the lower your expectations are, the lower your chances for disappointment. Hopefully for your sake you don't choose your dates or mates that way ("Yeah, I've got AIDS now but all I wanted was to get laid, and I got laid!")

i've seen his name popping in and out of the forums quite a bit actually.

If you didn't order anything you don't matter.

Indeed. In fact, for as long as Fallout 3 has been a topic I feel like I've been defending against the same Top 10 Strawmen Arguments against obsessive fans (i.e. "rose colored glasses", "all you want is the exact same game", "suspension of disbelief" and other hits!) and just as I find myself repeatedly posting the same thing in defense, I find the same arguments being brought up (either by the same posters or new ones). Hey, look...I'm excited about the prospects and possibilities of FO:NV. Almost as excited as I had been during the grueling years of meager updates and "Is VanBuren actually going to happen?" So when discussions come up about what FO3 did wrong, seeing as how there's a whole heck of a lot, I find myself getting back into a reiteration. Hell, maybe the devs read some of this stuff and maybe some of it sinks in their heads...and if not...I've at least vented and got some stuff off my chest. Trust me, Hurldawg. If FO:NV is a good game you'll hear all sorts of different tunes. Some of them you just might enjoy listening to (I'll make you a mixtape). EDIT: @Dogmeat - hey, I never played Oblivion and never will. I hate Bethesda's style of game and only played FO3 because it was...well...Fallout, and even BOS deserved a shot back in the day. Also, I will never, ever be happy about receiving spaghetti when I've ordered pizza. If the chefs make me a special surprise pizza which is actually good, despite the fact it's not exactly what I ordered, I'm sure I'd be pleasantly surprised. Change my order too much and you've simply got an angry customer.

Ah, indeed. Here is another of the sheisty yet effective FO3 fanboy strawmen. You do realize NMA is Fallout-specific fansite dedicated to Fallout, right? Those of us who are members there or have been visiting since the games very existence don't claim anything other than a fairly obsessive allegiance and devotion to a game we love enough to sit and talk about on a message board for over a decade now. Nobody claims anything more than this. What many of us do indeed claim though, and rightfully so, is that many things which gained our love for the originals has been absent since (and the stingiest of the bunch will even argue against FO2). It's not an opinion that SPECIAL is not as effective or meaningful in FO3 nor is it an opinion that C&C was more abundant and meaningful. Lamenting over these topics is not inherently synonymous with claiming ownership over an intangible but instead a vocal display of dissatisfaction with plenty of in-depth analysis and explanations for why one would feel this way. But nice attempt, as always, to vilify the devoted followers (even if their devotion seems, well...strange). Well, see...the funny thing about NMA is that it is a Fallout-specific fansite dedicated to Fallout. Oh- have i mentioned this already? Ok, so could you possibly see how Fallout fans would (and will continue to do so) be talking about any and all things Fallout-related? Though I must say when many of us found out Obsidian was getting a shot at a game which rightfully belonged more in their hands than in Bethesda's, our interest peaked to a climactic high not seen since the days of VanBuren and for once it seemed that some of these misguided paths Bethesda chose to follow could be redirected and new roads could be paved. ...and besides, when somebody farts in a room and it smells horrible the first thing people do is exclaim their displeasure. Unfortunately the lingering stink of Fallout 3 just won't go away.

y'know...this is a topic which i attempted to bring up over and over at the Bethesda forums and is one of the greatest letdowns of the game indeed. While it's easy for somebody to rail on those RPG fans out there who whine about C&C to an almost self-satirical extent, there is much to be said about the difference between things you say and do in Fallouts 1 & 2 actually meaning something or having an effect on the game-world and it's characters within. Fallout 3 is unequivocal in it's lack of consequence for anything you do. There really aren't even any real repercussions to blowing up Megaton. Does word not travel? Fallout 3's world feels exactly how it was designed...unconnected, disjointed and pointless.

wait, no. i *do* wonder why you and other FO3fanboys interpret what i just said into that same goddamned strawman argument. when i order pizza, i hope i get pizza...not spaghetti. i don't always want the same exact pizza, but if i order PIZZA i want PIZZA. get me? it's not that hard, holmes.

yeah, yeah, whatever. i don't want a "fun" game when somebody says "Fallout". when somebody says "Fallout" i want a "Fallout" game. period. so anyway, Josh...when are we going to see that nifty trailer yr workin' on? eh? EH? EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?

Indeed (though I feel the same about those who genuinely loved Fallout 3. )

eh, i'm not sure if it's an e-peen/e-pride thing with you or if you really, truly think the arguments you're making are actually addressing anything i've said...or perhaps you're simply blinded by your own nerd-rage? either way, all we've come to is: twinkiegorilla: "something" mkreku: *misinterpretation* twinkiegorilla: *reiteration* mkreku: ALL CAPS!!! twinkiegorilla: "um..." or, apropos: TwinkieG: So I was hoping Fallout New Vegas would improve on the Fallout series, taking it into the modern era while fixing the many mistakes which rendered Fallout 3 a failure in my eyes. mkreku:[intelligence] So you say you fight the good fight on Galaxy News Radio with your voice? TwinkieG: Uh...no. No that's not at all what I'm talking about. mkreku:[Nerd-Rage] GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! and while i find myself far more entertained by this pointless exchange than i have been by any amount of time spent playing FO3, i see no real point in continuing.

oh. nice. is this one of those "everything sucks now so why wish and hope for a Renaissance?"

i didn't backtrack, i reexplained myself to a nerdraging forum member who misinterpreted my post. and if you'd actually read my posts you'd know that your last sentence is less an accusation than hyperbolic nonsense. wanting a good game is not the same as wanting a repeat. yet it's the oldest and easiest strawman FO3 lovers use against those who don't. trust me, homer...i spent enough time at the Bethesda boards to see that false argument rise up and get beaten down a hundred times, and always from the same people who always fail to comprehend the issue. it must be something like 'perceptual defense', the tendency for humans consciously to see what they wish to see. eh, nice try buddy. but you were attempting to call me out as if i was saying "everybody who bought the game" which is another thing FO3 fans like to argue (the number of copies sold) when all i was doing was simply addressing your "everybody at NMA will be whining about this". so i said, "actually, we're all resigned to a number of things and fairly excited for FONV." the fact that you flailed around too much to see it twice is now staring you in the face. whether or not you can see yourself flailing like an angry fool, you are. trust me. you missed my point. flail johnny, flail! wait. really? really? this is your comeback when somebody makes fun of your incredibly poorly-constructed sentence structure? flail, johnny, flail!!

no ****. and it was like an old p n' c adventure game too, figuring it out! unlike FO3 where my hand would get sore from the game holding it so goddamn hard.

yeah, but no.

eh, no. i don't care about "l00t", i care about meaningful substance. if i tell you the only games i've ever played through to the end are Fallout 1, 2, Arcanum, Baldur's Gate 2, Planescape, Deus Ex and most likely Dragon Age...do you get the impression that l00t is what i'm after? the reason FO3 fails in this regard is because it forces you to go through situations which give you the impression that there is a reason to be going through them, only to find out that the quests are uncreative, boring or worthless in regards to the game as a whole. why put a location on a map if there's no story to be had and the same copypasta throughout? it's not all the time but it's in the majority. you said "everybody at NMA" and i said "yeah, just about everybody there". see how this works? it's sort of fun watching you flailing around like a man with a bag over his head bumping into walls...too angry that he keeps bumping into the walls to notice that all he has to do is remove the bag from his head (or cut some eye-holes, convenient!). racing? omg that would be ttly kewl!! nope. in fact, that's not Fallout-y at all. if you are like me, and you like something for what it actually is it's not very far-fetched to assume that you don't also like it for what it isn't. never once since '98 have i said "God Fallout is so great but i wish there were cars and racing!" i'd imagine there are plenty of other games out there for you if that's really all you need to satisfy yourself. i keep reading this sentence over and over and feeling braincells screaming out one by one before shriveling up and dying. wanting a game which isn't crap = living in the past? hmmm, it would seem so lately wouldn't it? yeah. abouut [sic] that...actually Fallout 1 and 2 became my all-time favorite games because i don't find them to contain retarded characters or situations. some over the top in 2? sure. but i'm not talking about over the top. i'm talking about "in comparison to 1 and 2 Fallout 3 really misses the mark and contains some of the worst dialogue, uncreative storytelling and unfunny 'humor' i've seen in the series since FO:BOS." hahaha. you are really good at misinterpretation, at the least. i already explained this in my first paragraph...if you don't get it by now, just...eh...pass go and do not collect $200.

i love that n00btards are worried about Fallout being in the hands of people who worked on the originals.

i thought the environment design was pretty cool and exploring was fun, but after awhile it became very unfulfilling and pointless. if the game advertised itself as an arbitrary exploration simulator and i bought it for that reason, hell...i'd give it two thumbs up. but there's just not enough throughout the game which is worth anything. too much repetition, too many goddamn pointless toolboxes with pointless fission batteries and some really uninspired side-quests, imo. there are a few which i thought did a good job of story-telling (the hp lovecraft, android and the zombie wig in the dlc for instance) but the game as a whole suffered from too much nothing. and no, i don't mean "empty wasteland" i mean arbitrary refuse forcing boring dungeon crawls or low-reward adventuring (oh wow! yet another safe with a stimpack, wrench, and crappy rifle inside!). given that just about everybody there considers Bethesda's ****ty engine to be ****ty and Fallout in FPS to also be annoying, and given that knowing that we *have* to accept these facts if we want another Fallout game, Obsidian is just about our only chance at something playable. you're also the same guy who got really excited about the promise of vehicles in the recent newstroll. go figure. and being optional doesn't mean it's not ****ing retarded. not that i'm surprised...but why? what is there to like about them? collecting? getting stat-cheat bonuses? this was part of it's biggest weakness. i'll agree that much. but nothing is going to change the fact that they are, like Crashgirl says in my sig, a pretty "meh" group of writers with a very polarized idea of what Fallout really was.

well then you'd be in the minority, Dr. Longtooth.

re: Pointless filler pt 1. yes, it certainly is a major weakness for most fans of the series, but when you combine the psychology of an individual inclined to play virtual-house with console kiddie achievement-whorery, you are talking about these peoples' wet dream realized as a video game. trust me, hang out at their board long enough and you'll see that for the overwhelming majority, this exact game is exactly what they've always wished for. re: Pointless filler pt 2. and we haven't even addressed the mundanity via perpetual repetion of finding this exactly identical pointless filler everywhere you go. the same goddamn safe with the same goddamn worthless l00t! in it. sure, it's a very pretty game. pretty pointless, that is.

it also falls into Bethesda's "lame as all heck" sense of humor.