TwinkieGorilla

Did you just call sporks the "ultimate utensil"? Furthermore, are you insinuating Fallout 3 is the "ultimate" game?

Spork. something which functions neither very well as a spoon or a fork.

Back in the day at the Bethesda boards (before the game was out) we simplified this idea with one word: SPORK.

I WAS PROVING A POINT GODDAMMIT!

Sure, I agree...though I guess what I missed was where this came up in discussion.

*snicker*

What exactly are you proposing?

Not really. The reasons people have issues with this game can be written out in great detail with factual examples. If things get emotional back here and don't always appear reasonable it's because we've all typed ourselves into exhaustion by now. There was a time the majority of my posts were exhaustive ones like this from last year: " Is this actually true? All I've seen is a higher intelligence modifying the percentage for a sucessful skill check which is a joke since somebody with a lower intelligence merely has a smaller percentage to make it, but they still have a chance (and really all they'd have to do is re-load until they get it right, no?). It doesn't actually unlock hidden dialog options like the original Fallouts did (and many attributes other than Int. would also unlock dialog options in Fallouts 1 & 2). You are right about one thing though: Bethesda really seems to have created a game that is a glorified hand-holding event and really feels like it's gameplay (not it's content) was made for an all-ages crowd. Something your kids can play and not easily die and become frustrated or something Granny can play when she comes to visit (time to decorate the house, Grandma!). Everybody starts at a positive place and before long every single character can accomplish anything. No room for failing anywhere because there's no room for individualization or specialization for your characters. Edit: I do now seem to remember that sometimes even a rudimentary schooling in certain areas would give you the brackets around an option [science] or something but never did it actually look like the writers choose an answer which was something only a very intelligent or scientific person would say. They simply put brackets around a very generic response, such as the infamous: [intelligence] So you say you fight the good fight? Now is that something a highly intelligent character would respond with? The exact same thing the NPC said to them? Horrible, just simply horribly implemented. No, it's actually lazy developing and makes the system simpler, easier and generally less interesting. I mentioned earlier in this thread how I experimented with Bethesda's implementation of the SPECIAL system by creating simultaneous characters and making them what would have been very different characters using the original SPECIAL system. Nothing really seemed to matter, none of my characters were really any better or worse off than others because of the stats or attributes I chose and I felt then that there was about as much reason to replay the game as there was any other linear story-based game (only this game had a fairly short and very under-developed story)." And we're still stuck here without much else to talk about but the most recent development in the series, which is Fallout 3. I wanted to LOVE this game in spite of who was developing it. I even thought after a few days of playing it that it was good and I might end up loving it. Unfortunately, the more I played the game the more I watched it fail in front of me. Countless posts I've made explain why I feel this way in detail and it isn't because of some inherent bias or predetermined prejudice, trust me. Bias is not really the word to use for people who can point to the exact problems with a situation they have.

what

Thank you? Troll fail, humor fail, condescension...win? Been there in one form or another since "before the fall" and have many great friends there, but thanks anyway.

What in the bloody, bloody hell are you talking about? (yes, that is a Fallout reference) Condition. Hmm. Somehow I don't see your attitude as helping anything here. Not interested, sorry.

You were attempting to belittle the postings of people who argue against Fallout 3 as people who've never made a post in a civilized manner. Also, don't try to turn the table on me if I'm calling you out for exactly the same thing you're accusing me of. It's not helpful if your endgame is actually relevant to civilized discussion. Here's something you may not realize about me and due to no real fault of your own: I am not a "gamer" but a Fallout obsessive. I don't play video-games very often and when I do, based on recommendations...since Fallout, I've not felt the same. There have been some which have come close (Baldur's Gate, Arcanum, Planescape, VB:M, Deus Ex) but I'm just not that into games to talk about anything other than Fallout or it's successors. Sorry for that but don't you have the same ability to not pop into Fallout-specific threads if you have an idea of what you might see there? I'm sincerely confused with your trepidation. World of Goo is installed on my computer as I type yet that does nothing for the argument that I should or shouldn't shut up about the one series which I actually really care about.

Cute. Now go find the post I made in the first few weeks of FO:NV's announcement regarding SPECIAL and my detailed analysis of the difference in it's implementation if you really want to play games with me. This might be the sort of phrase my family, girlfriend or therapist (I don't have one, but if I did...) would be undoubtedly justified in exclaiming to me if I actually railed on the subject outside of video-game message boards, letting it somehow factor into my actual life. However, can you tell me what kind of message board this is? Yes, a video-game message board. One which belongs to a company about to put out a game which I'm very excited about. Excited and hoping is void of the pratfalls of it's predecessor. If you're going to care enough to belong to a forum-community, shouldn't you also care enough to speak about the subjects which led you to that particular board?

Now just hold on a second son...didn't you just criticize me for being irrational? And here you are in hyperbole's glory, using feigned internet-speech to whittle down what usually are actually well-defined posts about the topic. You can't just pick and choose the posts you want to use as examples nor can you marginalize somebody's thoughts on the topic because you're either in disagreement or tired of reading it. Who are you speaking for and is there a committee? (alsoplustoo: it's been much, much longer than a year and it will go on for much, much longer I'm sure. soweee!)

Is this a meme-joke? Because I don't get it. The OP started it off as praise, not hate. Not his fault Fallout 3 sucked enough for any thread outside the Bethieboards to eventually turn into a criticism of it's worst elements.

Hehe. Your posts read like an overcompensation for Bethesda's lyrical inanity (not that I don't agree with the point of that sentence). Agreed, of course...and yet examples like these lead me to wonder if the NMA-hate bandwagoneers actually read anything we post over there? Oh, come now. Are you trying to tell me if there was a dead horse in your yard you wouldn't grab a stick and join in the fun? Yes, undoubtedly.

Errr, it was said in jest because he likes Fallout 3 and dislikes 3 movies generally considered excellent by critics and fans. but whatever (yawn).

There is simply nothing I find better about FO3 in comparison to the originals (for the sake of the argument, just take away the preferences of perspective or technological advancement in graphics etc). There are things they set out to do and did them well, I suppose...but even saying "Fallout 3 HAS writing issues" is a fatal understatement. [intelligence] So you say there are issues with the writing in Fallout 3?

snap! (but me too, seriously. jeez.)

DUDE. it was an alpha demo, meant to show basic game mechanics in progress. the heck is wrong with you?

GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!!!! Eh...maybe Ingmar Bergman/Haruki Murakami or something similarly random, but Dracula/Star Wars...*ahem*..."cultured and witty"? what?

who's talking about the new****? that doesn't even count. i was born in 77, man. Star Wars WAS my childhood!

happiness.

*mumbling* so he's a Bears fan, Fallout 3 fan, and hates Star Wars, eh...i don't even want to find out where else he's gone terribly wrong. *scratches Killian's name onto the 'do not invite over for dinner' list*

wait...isn't chalk supposed to be on a blackboard? i thought it was fingernails you don't want. also, wtf are you retards talking about now? mass effect? really? really? that generic p.o.s. has crept into a Fallout thread? the ****?