Wrath of Dagon

Link please, or is that the thing from couple of days ago?

Don't see what's generic about it. It's always been medieval-inspired fantasy, the trailer fits into that, that's all.

OK, thanks guys, except for Hurlshot.

No, I meant how do you see what it says, it always stays black for me. I guess quoting the post would be one way.

I was actually pretty excited that there would be a video after all these years of drought. Anyway, the more important question is whether the game will be any good, not Bio's clumsy marketing attempts.

How do you get those black spoiler lines to show up?

Meh, I'm only interested in their historical games. And those haven't been that good lately anyway, although Empires looks intriguing.

The big surprise for me in ME was what Vigil revealed about a certain location. Even there I kind of suspected something already. As far as nature of the Sovereign, that was discussed on Bio forums long before the game came out.

The cool thing about the DA forum is that the developers actually participate.

Oh, I expect it to at least match NWN2, but does anyone know how well it sold? Also I believe J.E. was being sarcastic.

KOTOR was a Star Wars license, ME is a console shooter, not a PC exclusive rules based game. Everything else is ancient history, not something you can go by anymore. Also I think you need to sell close to 2 million (before price cut) just to break even on a big budget game these days.

Oh, I agree. But those are more fantasy games, that's why I referenced Oddworld. For a game that's trying to have a more realistic feel (not actually be realistic) those things just wouldn't make sense at all.

Well, I wouldn't want bee filled bullets, that would be ridiculous in addition to absurd. Yes, most accepted gaming conventions don't really make sense, but for whatever game you're trying to make, there's a line you shouldn't cross. Also trying to make some things authentic is still valid even if other things aren't, it just depends on the game (bee filled bullets worked great in Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath btw).

OK, so how absurd is it that you mow down hundreds of enemies all by yourself, which is why you'd run out of ammo in the first place. Can you imagine going on a commando raid and failing because you didn't take enough ammo, that would just be embarassing. Also as I said, ammo drops all over the environment are even more absurd, in real life you wouldn't run out of ammo, or if you did it would probably be game over.

That's why I was confused, I thought you meant it as a counter-argument to what I said about not having to kill anyone in IW.

Heh, heh, that's why I do it.

Is that in IW or the original?

How absurd is it that you never have to go to the bathroom in a game, or even eat for that matter. Oh, I get it, the bathrooms have the ammo drops, so ammo is not really infinite, but since you never see the bathroom, you don't realize that's where the reloading takes place. Oh, and I guess having reload clips with exactly the caliber you need scattered all over the environment is not absurd, because that's totally how it works in real life.

Ah, but chicken fried steak > chicken.

DX IW you could complete without touching anyone, it would be really hard though.

No, there's an escaped group of students you can choose to help or kill, you can double cross fellow students or try to be honest, although they'll usually attack you anyway, there's a student you can save from the former headmaster at a cost to yourself, if you return with either of the headmasters you don't have to fight the whole academy, you can turn the Twiilek Sith to the light side, etc.

Yes, it's true. You go to the Jedi academy and through quests learn about the Jedi, you go to the Sith academy and learn about the Sith, and have a chance to either follow their philosophy or reject it by your actions. You're not just told Czerka is evil, you see for yourself how evil they are. If you're told Taris consists of the rich upper city and the wretched lower city, you go there and see for yourself. You learn all kinds of things about the universe, and very little through exposition. If it was ME, all that stuff would just be written down in the Codex for you to read, instead of experience for yourself. That's the difference between a great game and a mediocre one, I'll never understand why so many people can't see that.

I don't think DA is guaranteed to sell millions. Jade Empire didn't sell that well. Right now all they can really count on is the NWN2 audience. It doesn't feel like there's much hype for the game, perhaps it'll change now that they're starting to release info.

Bioware became EA long before EA bought them. Riccitiello was at EA before he became Bio CEO, and then went back to be EA CEO. Good intentions don't count for nothing when maximizing profits is your primary goal, and for EA it has to be. I'd be surprised if Bio ever does another DA unless DA is a huge hit somehow.

What's truly outrageous is that they show an PPSh sub-machine gun and call it a shotgun! And how did a Russian gun wind up in PA America anyway!? Have these people no shame about historical accuracy?!