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Now that you point that out, that's right! He said that he leans neither way so why would he care of you go DS? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I think you're totally misinterpreting his neutrality. He says he doesn't like either extreme meaning he dislikes them both. But obviously he wants to stop you from taking over the galaxy. He may not like extreme lightside people, but a character with neutral alignment will do good rather than evil when given the chance. They just don't go out of their way to do it. In Jolee's case, this is played out by him being holed up and even when he's with you he doesn't push you one way or the other, but he'll step in if you've gone too far.

Or what if, now that he knows where his power comes from and the source of the "echo" has been destroyed, (this would have to be LS) he decides to let go of it and learn to feel the Force the normal way, and as a result of this has to start all over. This would seem somewhat tiresome since it'd be the third time learning the Force for the Exile, but its an interesting idea.

Why? The idea is that if you are that closely attuned to one side of the Force, it increases your ability... anyone should be able to do it who masters that side of the Force.

I'm pretty sure there's no "Darth" in front of Grievous. Just General Grievous.

I think you're assessment is absolutely right... Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher really were no better than Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman, but people were a lot younger and the culture was significantly less cynical about epic adventure movies. It should also be noted that the scripts for the OT were pretty stinkin bad as well. The appeal of Star Wars movies was never the well written dialogue. Harrison Ford told Lucas "You can write this s*#!, but you sure can't say it!" But now in our culture you're so much smarter and cooler if you hate stuff and we care a lot more about subtlety and we're quite cynical when it comes to our movies. Back then, George Lucas was doing something that really hadn't been done before, now it's been done a million times over. I don't think George has gotten any worse, people just grew up, unfortunately. As for me though, I enjoyed and still enjoy the prequels thoroughly because they have the same spirit and grandeur of the first movies, and they deal with the same archetypal human themes.

Yes but breaking the sound barrier was an engineering problem whereas the light barrier is a theoretical one. People thought we couldn't break the sound barrier because an engine that powerful seemed unreasonable. It'd be like us telling someone 10 years ago that you would have a hard drive with 120 GB of storage. It would have sounded ludarcis, but there was no theoretical reason why it couldn't be done. The light barrier on the other hand, is a different story. We do accelerate particles incredibly close to the speed of light, but experiment consistently proves theory: the faster a body is moving relative to another inertial reference frame, the more energy it takes to accelerate it further. This happens in such a way that c, the speed of light, is the receding horizon that we can never quite accelerate an object to. Point is, even though the sound barrier seemed crazy based on current engineering standards at the time, there was no theoretical reason why it couldn't be done. In the case of the speed of light, not only are our engineering abilities incredibly far off from that speed, there is a physical limitation that we observe in nature that as far as we can tell, cannot be broken.

Not only that. It also means that from now on, no more Jedi wookies, EU or not. And of course no double-bladed lightsaber wielding slugs either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since Lowbacca is returning for the upcoming post NJO series, I don't it means that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What it means is hes going to be killed. NJO Spoilers! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually your wrong. Lucas approved that Anakin couldn't be the hero, and didn't say anything about killing him off. That was a decision made by the Arthur. Lowbacca isn't going to be killed. Lucas doesn't really care what the EU does, and will have no reason to kill off a Wookie Jedi. What Lucas means is that no Wookie or Hutt will be a Jedi in the films. However the EU is another question entirely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well if Obsidian wasn't allowed to have a wookie Jedi I think it means that this rule stands for EU as well as the films. That much is obvious.

And none of the Dune movies are the equal of a Star Wars movie

You should leave Nicky Katt as Atton... he is an excellent and underrated actor, and he provided the voice! He was excellent in Boiler Room.

I dunno if this has been said before, but I found it sort of weird that Revan and Malak apparently kept their original names when they became Sith Lords and just added the title Darth, whereas every other Sith ever appears to have been given a new name instead of keeping the old one. Thoughts?

I do understand your disappointment, I'm just saying its misdirected. If you start asking the right questions you will no longer be disappointed. In the MOVIES it is never made clear where Darth Maul was from. All we know is pretty much what we can tell by looking at him. From the dialogue we gather that Sidious is his master and that he hates Jedi (duh!) We know he's a Zabrak because we can see him. I think its safe to say that Nihilis is human and was a Jedi who was at Malachor V and then the academy there along with Traya and Sion. The story pretty much makes that clear. So I stand by the fact that Nihilis and Maul (just in the movies) both have plenty of details conspicuously left out. The fact that Nihilis is easy I chalk up to balance issues. Ahh well. And to be fair, Obi Wan did not outsaber Maul. When he was fighting the two of them, he held off Obi Wan without even looking at him. Then at the end Maul had him beat, he was just too ****y.

Wow, no kidding...and I thaught some of my posts where too long. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Some points are complicated and take awhile to make... and sometimes I ramble... ever read a book? Some of those things go on for hundreds of pages...

Inconsequential to the story? Speak for yourself. Had Lucas given us more character interaction with Maul, it would have greatly improved episode 1 for a lot of people. Had Obsidian given us more character interaction, story, or plain information about Nihilus it would have greatly improved the gaming experience for many people. Just because YOU think these characters are unimportant to the story as told, doesn't mean the inclusion of them wouldn't have made a difference. Had Darth Vader never been revealed as Luke's father, it would have been inconsequential to the story, because... take a guess where I'm going with this... WE WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, SO NOBODY WOULD HAVE CARED. But, it was revealed, it was cool that Vader was his father, rather than just his fathers killer, but it wouldn't have meant squat if we continued watching episode 6 thinking he was just his fathers killer. So please, don't attempt to sit there and tell people that the omission of information about Nihilus, Maul, or any character for that reason doesn't effect the story or enjoyment of the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You seem to be completely missing my point... let me try to explain. When an artist, especially a skilled one, creates something, its up them to decide what is important to their story. When someone chooses to leave out something that obviously would have won them fan support, e.g. info on Maul's character, my point is, it was probably on purpose and for a reason. My point is that Lucas left out those details because, not only are they unimportant, but they would have distracted from what he was trying to depict. Same thing in the case of the game. Everybody knows fanboys go gaga over lots of details about cool characters. That's easy money. But when Obsidian chose to leave out certain details, perhaps they knew what they were doing. Perhaps they thought about and were like... hmm... that's not really the point here. So yes, I stand by my point. Details that are left out are often left out because they truly are distracting from what's really going on. Writers carefully choose what details to include AND what details to leave out. Just because it would have "greatly improved the story for a lot of people" doesn't mean Lucas should have done it. On the contrary, he did exactly what he should have done: focus on the parts of the details that were important for the story he was trying to tell. If he had simply done what he was "supposed" to do then you would have had a moderately clever version of the same old crap that is done over and over again in a very large number of comic books, dime novels, and B-movies, just with better special effects. The sad thing about our society is that if he would have done that he would have gotten a whole lot of praise for it, but the fact is he would have missed the chance to be true to himself with his art. It would have been MUCH easier to make something streamlined and commercial that all the fanboys would have loved. But I for one am glad that he chose to do something MUCH more interesting. I feel the same way about KOTOR2. I'm glad that they didn't just do what would have gotten lots of fanboy drool. They made a game that actually has the capacity to make you THINK and question your own beliefs rather than following a cookbook formula. Nihilis is there for a reason, and so is Maul. The details revealed and even more importantly, the details that are NOT revealed, say a lot about what they're really there for. The sooner you get this, the sooner you'll appreciate the art and purpose in what they actually did. Your criticism is a bit silly. The authors choose what details are important. Vader being Luke's father is only important because Lucas chose it to be one of the central plot elements of the story. If he had chosen to focus on something else, then it really would have been an unimportant detail. Maul's history and Nihilis' history are left out precisely because the author's did not think those details are important. Questions like "where did they come from?" are red herrings. More useful are questions like "what does the fact that we don't know Nihilis' origin tell us about their relation to the PC?" Hope that makes it a bit more clear.

I picked up Freedon Nadd's lightsaber on Dxun. Visas' lightsaber isn't unique or special, you just get it from beating her the first time if you already have your own saber.

No, you're wrong. Just from the movie, we don't know more about Maul than Nihilis. All you learn about Maul in the movie is that he's a Sith, he's sick with a lightsaber, Sidious is his master and he wants to kill Jedi. We know just as much info on Nihilis. He's a Sith, he's been killing the Jedi, he feeds off of force users and life in general, we also know that he was "just a man, nothing more" etc. It really is funny to me that someone would use Maul as an example to criticize Nihilis since all the criticisms leveled at Nihilis were once leveled at Maul: we don't know enough about him, why does he die so early, he was really cool and intimidating but not enough background, yadda yadda yadda. And the answer is the same in both cases: the details left out are inconsequential to the story. They really are very similar.

Umm... Darth Maul didn't have any dialogue... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually he does "At last we will make ourselves known, at last we will have our revenge." Or something to that effect, he says the line when he's talking to Palpatine atop the taris on Coruscant. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, I know that he had a few lines, but the point is that if you're going to mention anything about Maul and dialogue it should be the conspicuous ABSENCE of dialogue. Especially in relation to Nihilis, who had probably about the same amount of lines that Maul did. They are the same in this respect, not different.

Who used ad hominem?

You ask why we didn't find out who he was before, etc. etc. These are good questions. I'm going to have to argue though, that the things we don't find out are meant to be that way. What I mean is, we don't find out because its not important for the story. As much as fans love cool bad guys and like to know every little detail about them, the artist has the perogative to include or not include details based on how important they are in THEIR story. So we have characters like Darth Maul, who George Lucas chose to tell us NOTHING about in the movies. And why? Because for his purposes, Maul's background is inconsequential. Someone trying to figure out or appreciate the movies is missing the point if they ask the question, "What is Maul's/Nihilils' background?" They should be asking "What about them IS given, and what does that illuminate about the story?" In this case, Nihilis is several things. He serves as sort of a foil for the PC, at least if the PC is lightside, in that they are both affected in immense ways by Malachor V, but handle it in seemingly opposite ways. Nihilis represents the utter devastation of a human soul that can result from the terrible destruction that happens in war. The Force in this case is a literary device that is used partly to magnify the effects of interconnectedness of all life. Why does he not speak intelligibly? This seems to me to be a device used to dehumanize him further. Why can Visas understand him? Clearly its related to the bond they share. This bond is clearly parallel to the bond between Kreia and the PC. This stuff isn't spelled out, but I think its purposeful. In other words, these things help to color the story a certain way, but aren't explicity answered because you're meant to think about it for awhile and come up with what makes sense to you. This isn't generally what makes fans happy, because fans rejoice in understanding everything. But it makes really good storytelling sense.

Umm... Darth Maul didn't have any dialogue...

It's been said but it deserves to be repeated over and over and over... If you give Fable a 10, then you're probably not a very good critic...

I would have picked: "No, I thoroughly enjoyed the game and plan on playing through it many more times" but your idiotic poll didn't have an option that was acceptable.

The reviews said what is true: there are a few slight bugs. It really isn't that bad. If they got a different version then I must have too, because I'm on my second playthrough and I haven't experienced any serious bugs. A few hitches here and there when there are lots of enemies but nothing that made it frustrating or unfun. Perhaps people who had problems don't take care of their machines?

Well we didn't find out exactly, but we definitely got some clues. We know it has to do with memories coming back. Finally Revan remembered something really terrible that s/he had done and realized that there was some larger threat looming in the distance, and went to try to fight it.

You are CRAZY... this was a wonderful game that did something very few games have ever done... it actually made you think and left things open rather than wrapping everything up in a neat package... And when has a developer ever gone back and fixed something like an ending? Some gamers today have this crazy sense of entitlement... Its just outlandish that this would even be suggested as something rational or realistic...