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That is helpful info and makes sense. I’m curious how y’all will find PoE compares from a ruleset/systems perspective. I agree that ability scores matter less for PoE, but also that there should be some continuity. It feels weird to have the stats be totally different. There’s a great talk on YouTube that Josh Sawyer did a few years ago about ability scores for PoE that is interesting if you’re into game design. They intentionally designed the system to make choices feel impactful but with a much smaller range of outcomes - I.e. no bad builds and no god or dump stats. Results are mixed, but it sounds worlds away from BG based on the talk. I think we should give as much room here as we can in terms of freedom to change them, but still make it feel like it’s the same character. A 4 point difference feels fine to me. What does everyone else think?
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That sounds good to me. I'd love a little leeway with the stats, but I feel there are some good RP reasons for that. It would feel off, though, to have a character who had an 8 dexterity suddenly have 19. I also think there's great RP room for multi-classing, given the years between the games, and being an awakened watcher with access to the past lives of your soul. In BG the essential mechanics didn't change, did they? It was still AD&D 2nd edition in both? From my experience of PoE2 so far, I'd say it's more of a .5 or 1.0 step up in ruleset. If PoE1 is 1.0, then PoE2 is 1.5 or 2.0.
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Questions for the group. What are the rules regarding character choice and legacy for PoE2? -Must a Hall of Heroes qualifying NR run in PoE2 use a character that has also completed PoE1? I know you can't import the actual character, but you can create them within PoE2 to continue the run - e.g. If I complete an NR PoE1 run with a dwarf barbarian named Krug, a qualifying PoE2 run must also be made with a dwarf named Krug. -Must a Hall of Heroes qualifying NR run in PoE2 import the save of game choices from PoE1 (or create a similar custom legacy)? -If a successful PoE1 run character is used in an unsuccessful PoE2 run, can that same character be used again in a new PoE2 run? e.g. Krug turns out to be a very poor captain and is killed by pirates in PoE2. Can I try Krug again on a new run, or would I need to complete a new PoE1 run with Krug 2.0 to give him another go in PoE2?
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The Man Who Waits, Heritage Hill, and Dyrford all lead up to the Animancy Hearings with the Duc. You can do all of them in any order, and they are all roughly the same difficulty (I'm not recalling specific encounters here, so some versions of them might be more challenging than others). Feel free to tackle these quests in any order. Once you complete all three, you will be asked to find support to attend the hearings. Make sure you wrap up any other quests in the Sanitarium first, before going to the hearings, as it will not be available afterward. You will also lose access to Defiance Bay for a short time afterward. Hope that helps.
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Finding Persoq
Ivanfyodorovich replied to Xeremius's question in Pillars of Eternity: Technical Support (Spoiler Warning!)
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Boeroer - have you put any more thought into adapting your Counselor Ploi build for Deadfire? I just completed a Frozen Crown PoE1 game with my MC as one and enjoyed it, though at a certain point I stopped worrying about any of the mind control stuff (mostly because I was over-leveled and the micro got tiring). I tried to create an Inquisitor (Shieldbearer/Beguiler) on Veteran for my first Deadfire play through and was feeling like I'd picked a trap build (I gave up at the Engwithan Ruins around level 4). I can't shake the RP pull of it, though. Is this just a build best suited for an easier difficulty? Are there any key mechanic interactions that I should be thinking about here? Sounds like FoD to build focus, then spend it on deception powers is the basic flow. In PoE1 my Shieldbearer had high defenses and support skills, with some damage contributed through Scion of Flame + Sacred Immolation. The focus was being a sturdy frontline support character, though, with Outworn and marking weapons. Should a Deadfire Ploi Inquisitor fit a similar niche, or are they going to be more of a backline character? I was initially excited about a Swashbuckler Eder to compliment. Are there other companions or builds that might work well organized around a Ploi Inquisitor?
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If you're drawn to a barbarian, I would just play Cauterizer without the WM talents, and then respec when you get them. The build doesn't really work without Blood Thirst, but you can still have fun with a 2H firebrand wielding Barbarian until you get the expansions. If you would rather play a build that doesn't rely at all on WM content, I'd recommend a caster like Priest, Druid, or Wizard. They are strong without relying on WM talents. You can get a feel for what combinations and spells are particularly effective by looking through the builds.
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I think your right about diversity being an issue. We could just remove priest altogether as an option, or limit it to 1 vancian class per group. Even with a priest and wizard locked in, though, I think it would be interesting to see what diversity of strategies there would be in the third member and how that might shape the way the other 2 are played. On another note, I’ve started PoE2 and am trying to read and learn as much as possible. Do y’all have any posts or resources that you’ve found that are helpful in reorienting to the changes? Here’s a short list of key system changes that I’m discovering. -Wizard, Priest, and Druid spells are all per encounter - with a limited number per spell level. -Afflictions are now associated with an ability score and are countered by an Inspiration (buff) to the same score. Inspirations provide immunity to afflictions of that type. -leveling up collapses class ability and talent selection into a single pool, with a restriction on what’s available based on current level. -skills are divided into active and passive and 1 point is available each level to advance a skill in each category (1 point per category). There are several new skills in each category. -party members can assist the watcher in some skill checks, adding a small bonus based on their own skills. -traps are now discovered using the perception ability score, but are still disabled using mechanics. More to come as I think of it.
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You How do you change the name? I noticed it already had a name (I have option to pick leveling of charcter after level 1). And then I monkeyed with the chants to put them in order how I want. Now they are chants A and B and they are slightly different but I couldn't see how to name them. Edit: and I will take a picture of what I mean by a reduced duration from base. It's a different statistic than the 'linger' though. That I remember. Edit 2 (avoid double posting); Ok I see how to name them now. So got that figured out. So my concern still is that say for "At the sight of their comrades, their hearts grow bold". That chant has a base duration of 4.0 seconds and a base linger of 2.0 seconds. That's 'base'. But Kana has 3.6 seconds duration (so shorter), and 2.8 linger (so longer). Kana's intelligence right now is 18 so 40% more duration. 2.0 x 40% = 2.8 linger. So it appears intelligence is modifying the linger. Also Kana is level 5. The 'base' is 10% shorter (4.0 x 10% = .4 seconds shorter consistent with 3.6 duration). So doesn't look like intelligence is modifying duration. Might is 16 (18% damage) so doesn't look right. Constitution is 12 and that is 10% but would be odd if that is the culprit.* Brisk Recitation is -10% phrase recitation time. So maybe 'duration' is the same statitic as 'phrase recitation'? *note: I tried eating pearlwood chicken and no effect on chanting 'duration' so constitution isn't affecting that stat. You've got that right. The way chanters work, they build up phrases to cast invocations. You want to be able to build up phrases as quickly as possible (generally speaking) to cast more invocations. That's why lower duration is a good thing, and that's what Brisk Recitation does for you as you level up - all of your phrases will take less time to recite. The linger is pure bonus, with the effect of the chant continuing while you move on to recite a new phrase, and INT increases the length like you're noticing. If you're wanting a phrase effect to stay on, I recommend just chanting one phrase. You can set up a chant to be just one phrase, and your chanter will repeat it over and over. That wastes the linger for most phrases (because you'll be starting the same chant over), but it ensures that you have the effect on all the time. There are some exceptions here, like The Dragon Thrashed, which stacks up the damage each time you chant it, making single phrase the highest damage way to chant it.
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Thanks Serg! I’m downloading PoE2 and am hopeful it will run on my MacBook Air. I’ve also been kicking around another PoE run idea. I found the number of really good items and abilities for all of my party overwhelming by the time I was finishing WM1. My party was over leveled even for upscale content. What I missed was the impact of each tactical choice - choosing to use a scroll or change a weapon for a specific fight. In hopes of recapturing that feeling, here’s my idea. Three characters only. Hard difficulty. Vanilla content only (no deadfire pack or WM content). No upscaling, or at least hard level max imposed for each act/quest stage. E.g. Raedric at 5 or less, Thaos at 12? 13? What do y’all think? Also, I’m curious what 3 you’d pick as a hypothetical.
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Aures Act III, Chapter 2 & Act IV Table of Contents Part 1: Cayron's Scar We are fully prepared, and ready for the Eyeless. With the hammer and St. Ydwin's Redeemer they are mostly trivial. Maneha suffers one knockout inside the moon fragment while frenzied. Inside the moon fragment, we make our way quickly to the kraken. We ignore the tentacles and pour all of our damage into it. Itumaak and Sagani are carrying the team with their damage. Maneha volunteers to strike the hammer blows, so we give her the diving helmet and wish her well. There's was a few minutes where I planned to have Aures strike the blows, but then what if I messed something up with the helmet and she didn't survive. What a terrible way to end the run. Maneha is a much better option here. In the monastery, we encouraged her not to go into the pool. We trust her choice here. Act IV: Back to the Wheel Part 1: Prepare to Face the End With everything else wrapped up, we head back to Caed Nua to prep for Thaos. We grab all of the supplies we will need from our stash and adjust equipment. We enchant everyone's armor with proofing (burn where it wouldn't be suppressed) and ability scores (whatever was missing). We enchant Shame or Glory for Aures and Godansthunyr for Maneha with Legendary. We enchant Lead Spitter with Superb and Kith Slaying and Forgiveness with Vessel Slaying for Pallegina. We add lashes to any weapons missing them. We stash Abydon's Hammer. Pallegina won't have need of it anymore. We breeze through Sun in Shadow, but enjoy it immensely. I set up the AI on aggressive for bounties right before Cayron's Scar, while I controlled Giuseppina. We do the same thing here, being vastly outleveled and overpowered for these fights. The conversations with Iovara and with the companions and Thaos are all enjoyable for me, having come this far and being this invested in the team. As we wind around the path to confront Thaos, the excitement is building. Part 2: No, those ends don't justify . . . The game plan here is to have Maneha and Kana tank the Judge and Executioner with Aures engaging Thaos. Pallegina and Sagani will kill Thaos quickly (letting Pallegina use her Sworn Enemy on Thaos to try and land Deprive the Unworthy). Then we focus down whichever Statue he is not in. Then the one he's in. Then we kill him in a mad rush of damage. Kana is immune to confuse and dominate thanks to his Cap. I give Aures and Giuseppina Snowcap to eat, since they are able to cleanse any mind control effects. Not having used it before, though, I don't realize it's a food, and we enter combat with it in our quickslots, unable to eat it. (I think someone else made this mistake before in the thread, but I had forgotten it) We are just going to have to rely on prayers and good luck. I'm so intent on the plan that I forget to take pictures at the beginning of the fight. Here's the first picture right after the Executioner is dead. The first deprive the unworthy landed on Thaos and he dropped quickly. Aures had to lay on hands to recover from the first cleansing flame, but otherwise we survive mostly unscathed. Maneha and Kana are happy as clams squaring off against these giant statues. While we whittle down the Judge, Aures positions herself next to Thaos, and Sagni and Pallegina spread out on their own within range of him and the Judge. It's not long before the Judge drops. The first confuse must have only lasted a short time, or Sagani was immune thanks to a prayer (I don't remember having to use Liberating Exhortation on her). We use a scroll of protection and circle of protection in the middle. The second Deprive the Unworthy lands and we are off to the races. I think this dominate must have hit an immune target because I don't remember needing to deal with it. Pallegina lands a nice hit with her Blunderbuss of Thaos Slaying. Itumaak continues to tear into Thaos. And he drops dead. Itumaak has slain him. We return Thaos' soul to the wheel. HIs soul, too, should once again rejoin the great cycle. We do the same for the souls he stole. May they be reborn in new life.
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Aures, level 16 party Update This is more or less what the team looked like from the final battles of WM2 through Thaos. We made a few upgrades between here and Thaos that I'll describe in the final update. With Pallegina wielding Abydon's Hammer, we put her in Blaidh Golan just in case she got targeted. Usually she is wearing Angio's Gambeson. Aures Maneha Kana Pallegina Sagani Giuseppina
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Aures Act II, Chapter 4 & Act III, Chapter 1: Death comes for us all Table of Contents Part 1: Pour one out for the dead . . . After our success at the Battery, we head to tie up a few loose ends over in Longwatch Falls. We clear a path to a cave that Aures has a bad feeling about, so we turn around. (I'd already decided to deal peacefully with the Alpine Dragon, and I really wanted Ryona's Vambraces for Pallegina, but I kept thinking about something I read in this thread early about being prepared to fight if I miss-clicked. I didn't feel ready for that risk yet.) Feeling good about clearing our way to the cave, though, and our success against the Lagufaeths, even with the 3 Broodmother fight, we decide to press on and find that Thermal Pearl. While fighting the last group, the party is on the right side of the area. Things are going well, so well, that I send Niclesa over to the left to start dealing damage to 3 sidewinders. Suddenly, I realize she is losing endurance quickly, and health. I send heals and try to drink a potion of vital essence, but I'm too slow. She is dead. This being expert mode, she is dead dead. I have no one to blame here but myself. I got lazy and over-confident. At least I survive with the rest of the party. I think about how to fill that slot. It feels weird to just create another Orlan chanter. I decide we will just bring Kana back in to the group. He has been doing most of our detective work, and has slightly more XP than Aures, somehow. We leave the White March and head back to Caed Nua. With Kana in tow, we clear the rest of the Endless Paths in one go, making our way to Od Nua. We deal peacefully with him, hoping he can find some peace now in death. We also agree to help the Adra Dragon. This decision is mostly practical, but Aures wants an end to the threat from below the stronghold, and any aid this being can give we will put to use. We head back to Defiance Bay to complete Act II. The party is level 12 (Kana 13). During the trial we try to introduce some nuance, but agree that Animancy is dangerous. Too many have advocated for what might be discovered, what good might be done, ignoring the very real harms that are being done in the process. We upscale Act 3. Act III, Chapter 1 Part 1: Quickly Now We make haste to Twin Elms, and pick up quests all around. We pray to all the gods and gain their quests. I'm feeling a little bit worn out of quests, but realize there are some here that I do want to complete before we move on. For Against the Tribes we take the leader prisoner and choose the talent. I thought this would result in the Glanfathans giving us a reward, but it's a peaceful solution, all the same. We play soul detective for Hunter, Brother. We find Persoq, but I somehow am not able to avoid violence with the Fangs, and we kill them all. We complete the two quests in Noonfrost without violence, convincing the Pale Elves to leave before rescuing the brother. For Galawain, we fight and kill the bear. Cleverness above brute strength. We find the song birds, but convince him not to eat them. Now we take on the Sky dragon. I was pretty sure level 13 was strong enough, but I went for it without confirmation. Maneha tanks with diving hat while we buff. Paralyze works wonders. We sleep in lair to complete the final upgrade to Stormcaller. I'm curious if we could have done a peaceful resolution here and still camped for the upgrade. The eyes are worth it to me (though having killed Thaos, I don't think they are necessary). We turn in all our quests and commit to Berath. It's been that kind of run. Death comes for us all. We must believe there is something good that can come from death. Part 2: White March Part 2 Getting back to Stalwart, we head to the Iron Flail Camp, inspired by Enuhal's run. We decide to break through the front gate, mostly because I don't feel like fighting a hundred little battles. It's a royally bad idea, except that we are over-leveled, even for upscaled WM2. The result is actually feeling pretty epic and powerful as we plow through with multiple injuries. We are able to find a peaceful resolution with the commander, despite killing so many of his troops to get to him. I'm over prepped for the first fight with the Eyeless. St. Ydwin trivializes this a bit, but even without it, we are too strong for them. Back in Stalwart, we get a few quests around town. We head to Whitestone to get Ryona’s Breastplate. We track down 2 sets of Bleakwalkers, and have a conversation with an Alpine Dragon, feeling a bit more secure. Onward to the Abbey. This part scares me more than anything else I've done so far. I recently completed this at level 15 with another run, and the monks here were crazy challenging. Their defenses are sky high, and they hit very hard. I think this must have been balancing for all the chanters with their fire AoE. The wounds generated on all of them at once is pure insanity. Both out of fear, and a desire to limit bloodshed, we go along with the Tidebringer schtick. We listen to the old abbot in the dungeon, and consider his offer. In trying to sneak through, though, we aggro a room packed with priests and 3 monks. I think this is it. In hindsight, I think it's entirely possible to fight the patrolling solo low tide cultist that wanders the hall here, without anyone from the room to the right coming out. Next time, I will make sure that's what I do. Thankfully we can block them in with one person at the door. The monks stay out of range to teleport back into our backline in 1s and 2s. We focus down one monk at a time, pulling out every buff and debuff, and still whittling them down. This feels like what an AI that uses all of it's tools might be like. When the time comes to decide the fates of the low tide, Maneha urges to drown them and let them pass on. I feel the pull towards the same. What redemption is there in letting them free? Berath’s words weigh on me. Death, too, is a new birth. (It doesn't hurt that the thought of fighting even more of these monks is terrifying to me.) In the final showdown with the Abbot, we convince some of his followers to abandon him. There are 2 monks, plus the abbott to deal with. We focus them down one by one, trying unsuccessfully to charm or dominate them a few times. Summons and the now allied tidalfist cultists are enough to hold them off. We turn off Dragon Thrashed for these fights to prevent the other monks from spamming us with damage. With the abbott down, and most of the party 15, we set off to forge the hammer, get the cannons firing, and level up all of our soulbound items via bounties. The team is now level 16, except for Guisseppia. We prepare for the final face off against the Eyeless. Party Update to follow.
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Killing Kith does not grant XP. The only XP for killing things is for killing "monsters", which is limited to a certain number per type. There are very few ways to "leave combat" once it's started. Sometimes running away far enough will end it, but often you can be stuck until you find the enemy that is still aggressive, even if it's not chasing you down.
