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Kreia tends to outline things better than most...
Other than that, it's possibly cut content?
I remember reading Wookiepedia and wondering "how the heck did they get that??" with some of the stuff they have...so maybe there are other sources?
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He doesn't have any for quite a while - take him around with you for a while longer and get some more influence with him,
then on Nar Shaddaa, you'll eventually meet a couple of Twi-leks who have some interesting things to say about Atton - that's when his real conversations come out...
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Having more requisite computer hacking (/repair/security/etc...) parts to the game that you can't simply bypass by smashing it would force to have more versatility in your party outside of simple lightsaber-slashing combat. Imagine an entire architecture that no jedi is allowed to enter, and you are forced to send in a squad comprised entirely of droids and/or non-jedi humanoids...
The only problem with that is that you could end up getting stuck for not picking the right skills if done to early on in the game. Later on you'd just add someone useful for that task to your party, then get rid of them after you've opened the door/console etc unless they stop you from changing party members when away from the hawk....which could also lead to you getting stuck if you didn't select the correct party member. *Thinks*
I guess you could have situations-say a locked door-where one of your party members tells you who you need to open the door, and you have to keep them in your party afterwards for some reason- 'Well, looks like you're going to need my help so I'll stick around for a while'.
Exactly, a lot of reality bending will be needed to do any of this...sigh...
Maybe having more of the situations like
Atton in the cantina, and the three party members in the tomb on Duxn
where you're force to have other people or specific people...
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I've give you a typical answer here - try to find a recent save game before the academy and hope it fixes it - or reinstall KOTOR...
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why bother? Just get a mod to do it...
And yes Xard, wrong section entirely
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Going back to discussions a couple of pages back about whether you should have all the "jedi-fiable" team members; some people say that there were too many in K2, others like being able to make various members jedi.
How about this for a viable compromise - almost any of your companions can become Jedi, but you can only take one apprentice on - thus you have a lot of range of options for companions to make jedi, but you don't end up with a whole team of them because of it. Basically once you take one of them on, the option to do so with the others is taken away.
What do people think?
My contentions with having everyone become Jedi was two fold.
1) Jedi overshadow all other character classes as KOTOR games have so far been designed. Your idea addresses one possibility for handling this. In a three character game with only two party members possibly being Jedi, you have a third which must be a non-Jedi. Would indirectly force exposure to non-Jedi classes.
2) Not everyone can become a Jedi. This was something I feel George Lucas hinted early on that I fully like. Whether or not people like the idea of midichlorians, it was always some component hereditary. Luke was never just some farmboy, he was the son of a Jedi.
So, I think your idea resolves a functional complaint I have, but not a conceptual complaint. Since I'm a function over concept guy, I like it! Sounds like a compromise to me.
Indeed - although of the idea behind the Jedi-fiable party members was that they're all "special" in their own way thus enabling the Jedi training - of course K2 did it really b-grade quality I think...But then this is, of course, the constant trouble with "coincidences" in games and movies that you have to bend reality somewhat to exact what you want into the story - thus the Exile "just happened" to find a bunch of people to join them who could become Jedi; just like Revan "just happened" to be the one to rescue Bastila, and "just happened" to have party members who all "just happened" to bump into people they knew which gave a side-quest...
I definitely see your point though...
To add on further to Tale's mention of encouraging "non-jedi" into the party...there should be more emphasis put on "non-Jedi" parts of the game. Having more requisite computer hacking (/repair/security/etc...) parts to the game that you can't simply bypass by smashing it would force to have more versatility in your party outside of simple lightsaber-slashing combat. Imagine an entire architecture that no jedi is allowed to enter, and you are forced to send in a squad comprised entirely of droids and/or non-jedi humanoids...
May all these "just happened" moments could be used to help this further - make puzzles that only one of your "non-jedi" members can solve, secrets that only they know or can find out, people who will only talk to them, people who hate jedi
like that guy on Dantooine, except you can't fool him by simply putting your lightsaber away...
, the possibilities are endless in which you could push for non-jedi to be in your party - rather than just not having it available...it will just require some manipulation of those "just happened" moments
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Going back to discussions a couple of pages back about whether you should have all the "jedi-fiable" team members; some people say that there were too many in K2, others like being able to make various members jedi.
How about this for a viable compromise - almost any of your companions can become Jedi, but you can only take one apprentice on - thus you have a lot of range of options for companions to make jedi, but you don't end up with a whole team of them because of it. Basically once you take one of them on, the option to do so with the others is taken away.
What do people think?
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K1 - Canderous and Jolee (the only two mentally stable characters)
K2 - Hanharr and T3 (among the few I could rely on not mutating instantaneously into *&^%$ jedi)
You think Jolee is mentally stable? are you insane?!
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Is this your first or second time to Onderon?
Kex is supposed to contact you after you leave the first time and have done another planet. If you finished all four planets and met/found/killed all four Jedi Masters, then go where they said they would be meeting...
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Thanks for the advice, but I did that already and had Visas in the party (crap). Know any other ways to get influence?
I'm not 100% sure about this, but when you are on Nar Shadaar
you can repair the hovercar/pod car if you get the parts before you go to see the exchange boss in the bar. If BD is in the party he will/can double check your work when its repaired, and will even install some of the componets for you. If you thank him for his help you can gain influence-although I'm not sure quite how much it should be enough if you've been nice to him on Telos. Btw, you can also get some infuence with Atton here as well if he's in the party-since he will offer to by-pass the security system on the car and you can discribe him as the expert when he offers.
Thats the only other place I know you can get influence with BD after Telos and Dantooine.
Mortis is right with that location, also;
On Onderon, if you give an Open Visa to the Republic spy with Bao-Dur in the party you gain influence
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Thanks for the advice, but I did that already and had Visas in the party (crap). Know any other ways to get influence?
You just gotta be nice - Bao-Dur's influence options are almost exlusively LS actions (hence the difficulty in a DS character getting Bao-Dur to be a Jedi). For specific locations - go to GameFAQs and read DSimpson's influence guide - it's fantastic (though many spoilers if you haven't finished the game).
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True. Sadly the game doesn't tell anything about Visas background before she "met" Nihilus.
She's a Miraluka - Katarr go boom - she becomes massacistic (sp?) with the hoff dude - she joins you...what more do you need to know?
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You do realize that they are not talking about making a online game. They are talking about an MMO. MMOs and online games are not that same. Bioware never said it would be KOTOR. But the did say they are making an MMO. And MMOs are not addons like Halo 2.
That said. I am down with idea of an online addition like NWN or Freelancer.
Considering KOTOR uses the Star Wars version of the D20 system...having a NWN-esque online element would be great, in that you have community-made campaigns where you can have a party put together and have a DM run it - that would be cool. Very different to an MMPORG though...
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No to what?
Which order did you do the planets in?
Did you find all 4 Jedi Masters?
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I have played KOTOR II up till the end of the choosable planets. I have gotten to that point 3 times and for some or an other reason, i stopped or was forced to stop there. I really wish to play the game but i dont want to do all the planets i have played all over again, so i was wondering if someone could give me one of their saved game in whic the character has passed the choosable planets. Thax
When you tried doing it again - did you do the planets in the same order?
If you do Onderron last - then the game becomes unwinnable. Did you get the message from Kex to go back there?
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is it possible to update the xbox version without accessing xbox live? I have severe trouble accessing xbox live but I'd like to update Kotor 2 and maybe 1 for the xbox. Is there a way to do this like download it, burn it to a cd from somewhere and put that cd in the xbox? or any other way? thanks for any helpful replies.
Without modding your box - no
Hence the cruelty of the restoration project on us console users
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Its sad, really, cause if you add the extra content that was left out, Obsidian made a very good and very deep game. Its a great story, just has major holes that should have and could have been covered.
Exactly - hence the RP
A lot of people *coughomelettecougharchitechcough* consider K2 to be a much better game. I can only imagine how much more satisfying it would have been if it was completed properly...
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Dont even think GO-TO has quite gotten to that level of hatred yet. Still, he is the most evil and hatable character in the game by far.
He's just an arrogant prick - even for a droid
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Obsidian left out some major parts to the end of the game and the story line (not enough time to put them in? ran out of money?) but there is a way, I forget how, to get the "real" ending. Its embedded in the game somewhere. From the videos I've seen, it actually might have been pretty good. Oh well
The game was shipped more-or-less incomplete due to time constraints by the powers-that-be. The TSL Restoration Project are working on restoring the cut content - see their own thread on this forum.
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A Kotor MMO is a nightmare, not a dream.
MMO's don't have stories or plots. And Kotor NEEDS a story. It would suck, since you'd never be able to finish the game, therefore not advancing at all in the Kotor timeline.
That's kinda my opinion too.
The main-strenght of the KotOR-games has been the stories. Both of them have been just completly awesome, imo. And a huge part of the game(s) relied on it.
And me personally would be prefer a KotOR-offline-game anyday instead of a MMO, as told.
It should be an offline game that has stuff that can be done online(MMORPG style) Have a few worlds and places and items that are only obtainable online. And missions could be set up where you and 2 friends can go out on missions (though online would have to be TONS harder than the offline version.
If there were online playing - the main PC would have to be some complete no-name who never does anything great in the main stream of things - as far as canonicity goes. KOTOR has always be focussed on you (however you portrayed yourself) being the centre of what's going on; drawing followers to your cause becoming a major power to challenge the evil overlord(s). An MMORPG cannot support this playing style. MMORPGs are about a bunch of people in an online world doing their own stuff - it's in its own pocket universe.
An MMORPG in the KOTOR universe would be cool - but it would have to be a pocket universe - separate from the actual KOTOR storyline - just like Accept said.
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Thats spoilertastic!
You're just on a roll with new words aren't you mate?
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"I'm a tool" - Disciple
It's not so much that quote, as the other quote that gets me. You know the one I mean. Don't make me say it.
I concede that G0-T0 is more universally hated than Disciple.
I haven't played K2 in a couple of years - and that was playing male character so haven't used D in a long time - tell me...
Don't think Disciple is 'hated' so much as despised - like a homeless man throwing up on your shoes...
G0-T0 is hated in a more universal way...kinda like lawyers and politicians...
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I didn't dislike Disciple either.
Well... I didn't use him so much, but he had a quite interesting background.
If there was someone to hate... Then it was G0-T0.
Agreed. Maybe I should add Disciple's quote to my sig:
"I'm a tool" - Disciple
Love the sig btw Accept - wonderful way to immortalise Omelette's Freudian slip - and for Sturm to look like a pimp
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I've actually found Disciple quite an effective team member - the
Soldier / Consular
combo is quite effective and one I've used in K1 myself...Just don't talk to him - he's a helluva wet rag!
TSL Restoration Project: The Phantom Deadline, READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING.
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Yeah - two guys just randomly adding and subtracting from the number to look like they're working...the modder's version of those glasses with eyes painted on them perhaps?