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Blatantly, no, that won't happen. Not yet anyways. Greasing the skids more for them to do it illegal however, yes, there are many people in power that are all for that. From the page: "But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote." Early April Fools? One thing I notice however, is that there are absolutely no sources, no links to whatever is being talked about.

I'd fully expect a few patches to come out to catch the inevitable bugs that get missed. I didn't play PoE1 at release, so, I didn't experience it when it was in it's early days.

Trump would definetly rather it be solved by time he does the State of the Union speech. I suppose a better prediction is asking how many times he'd rip the Dems a new one in the speech over the shutdown.

Actually, (see the part for 2013) it's possible I had heard of it, just didn't get the meaning. Redneckdevil being a southerner and me being a westerner, it makes some sense I suppose.

Yeah well, somehow I hadn't. I've heard of 'white trash' though, which is the same thing. I can't explain how I've never heard of the word cracker used in that way, I just haven't. *shrug*. Might have something to do with me being hard of hearing, and if it shows up in music, I don't listen to music.

Well, he IS a New York City politician, I'd imagine NYC politics are as rough and tumble as it's media market. No wonder Trump privately likes him somewhat, besides being a fellow New Yorker.

Where did you grow up that you'd never heard the term 'cracker'? Which may have had it's origins in the South, but for at least half a century now has been used all throughout the U.S. as a pejorative for white people. Southern California. @Vals later post: They have a vote scheduled tomorrow, so, it does make more sense to do it then. Also sounds a bit like he's hoping for a quick resolution to this.

I'd never heard of the word 'cracker' used to refer to white people. Apparently it mainly used to refer to rural people (also criminals being deported to the colonies), kind of the southern version of redneck or hillbilly. Anyways, so much for it being fixed over the weekend, I thought they'd work on Sunday because reasons. https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-schedules-vote-to-end-government-shutdown-for-1-am-1516494185-b6536c54-cf3c-4437-b8d6-7cea1781f702.html http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/government-shutdown-daca-deal-developments/index.html Actually, I totally misread and didn't read the whole thing, they are in session tomorrow, the vote just isn't going to be until Monday.

The March 2018 thing was just a personal goal of Josh's, which is totally fine, so I don't take it as a solid official thing. That said, a release date of mid-spring somewhere does seem more likely.

Oh, you were attacking the Federal overreach part of it. Sometimes though, those idiots really do have to be told at the point of a gun to stop being idiots.

Oh, I associated rust belt with appalachia mostly and didn't consider New York, so, you have a point. Still, not all of the rust belt is high tax I don't think. There's like Kentucky and Tennesee and West Virginia, that's part of the rust belt too (also coal country), so, high taxes doesn't neccesarily explain ALL of the rust belt. Bwahahaha, what a wide ridiculous net you throw. People "who don't want to kill babies" or are incapable of executing the duties of their positions need to be run out of that position. Go do something else that your "moral or religious compass" will allow. Easy peasy. Yes, I support abortion. But like all things there are limits, such as the current developmental stage of the fetus. I do not support "late term abortion" unless the life of the mother is at risk. Also, imo, most bible thumpers are a-holes. If that much of a persons mentality is determined by religion then your nothing more than a weak minded automaton. Again, imo. No net was thrown. I asked for clarification, you provided it. Thank you for that. However... What an incredibly shallow, arbitrary, capricious, and myopic viewpoint. I pity you. Just gfted1 being gfted1 really.

That is great news. Every business have the right to refuse service to anyone. Why would medical profesions be excluded? Unfortunately, not really true. Up until the abominable Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the even more abonimable SCOTUS cases which held that it could be applied to private businesses, the bolded was largely the case in our formerly relatively free nation. Since then, the bolded is increasingly less true. Does that mean you're okay with people denying service to people based by the color of their skin? Because that's what it sounds like you're okay with. If not, then how come you think the civil rights act is abomnable? edit: Making my question sound a bit less hostile, which wasn't intended to be hostile.

Because politics. We can disagree all day on who is to blame for the shutdown. At least they're trying to work on something to end the shutdown instead of trying to filibuster all over the place, which is better than the Republicans were in 2013.

In a literal non-political way, yes, you're correct since they wouldn't have been able to pass it without Democrat votes. Politically speaking is another thing entirely since it depends on which side is talking. They voted for partisan bill and hoped that they could force democrats to vote for it with threat of closing government, but most democrats decided not to yield such heavy handed maneuver forcing republicans in situation where they most likely need to negotiate bipartisan bill. To be more precise, the Democrats wanted it to include a DACA fix and were trying to use what leverage they had. If you don't want them to use that for leverage, then maybe we should give the minority more levers.

For the Senate, yes, but the Republicans had enough to get through the House with only Republican votes.

Welcome to politics where the logic doesn't always make sense. The Senate is trying to work out something because nobody had a plan B bill available, so, unlike the filibuster-a-thon that was 2013 (remember Ted Cruz?) or the nearly month long one in the 1990's, it shouldn't last more than 48 hours maybe.

They went past the threshold of having enough yes votes shortly after I checked the link.

Cool. Josh Sawyer did give a personal goal of March 2018 way back when and it seems like we're on track for that (assuming the government doesn't do some **** like not do the debt ceiling limit which is also in March, no idea how that'd affect Obsidian though). It was just a tentative personal goal which is probably useful in setting a goalpost, but otherwise wasn't official or anything. If they have to delay it further, I don't mind, and they SHOULD delay it further if they feel like it's not ready.

@mods: If the government does shut down (unless a deal comes up 24 hours later or something), maybe lock this thread for length and name the new thread Politics Thread: US government shutdown edition? Just throwing a thread title idea out there, and you guys usually lock for thread length around this point. Though I guess it could go on for another 10 pages without problems.

Oh, didn't realize the image was a link.

There needs to be a section on that graph that shows totals for overall, but otherwise, no surprise there's a partisan split. Exactly, they control both chambers of Congress and the WH (though the WH isn't being all that helpful, thanks to Trump), it's up to them to reach a bipartisan compromise, but they don't want to. Meanwhile, the Democrats understandably are trying to work hard the leverage that they have by stonewalling over DACA.

That is great news. Every business have the right to refuse service to anyone. Why would medical profesions be excluded? Until you run into issues of discrimination on religious grounds, which is why religious freedom is such a tricky thing over here because it can be used as an excuse to discriminate. Also, in medicine, the ethic is that you're supposed to treat everybody and refusing service would be wrong. It's pretty obviously aimed at abortion anyway, and we both know how touchy that subject is.

He had heart problems up the wazoo which was the main thing, he had multiple heart bypasses, later had to use an artificial heart (don't know if he got a transplant at some point). That pretty much tells you all you need to know how bad his health was.

The bolded bit sounded like paraphrasing on elerond's part. Trump is in good shape in the sense that he is in okayish health for his age and there isn't anything in the flashing red light danger zone, Concerns like the cholesterol and weight, yes, but it's not like he is under heart failure or anything terrible like that. **** Cheney had WAY worse health than Trump. edit: Gotta love the way the forum blanks out the word Di ck when it's someones name, heh. Not that the forum software would know the difference.

That article you link is an excellent example of dishonest journalism or an absolutely retarded journalist. The very article it links to disputes many of the Politico article's claims and headline. Carrier didn't lay off anyone despite Trump, or renege on it's deal. The layoffs mentioned in your article were part of the deal and expected. Initially United Technologies (who owns Carrier, and has been shipping jobs to other nations for quite awhile now) was going to lay off 100% of the workers at the Indiana plant, however a deal was struck in which only some of the workers would be laid off. Trump and Pence are credited with brokering this deal. Note that UTC, like many many other corporations, have been shipping jobs from high tax states (like New York, which once had Carrier's headquarters) to lower tax states, and to other nations for a very long time now. The rust belt is a thing, and it's primary cause was and is high taxes. High taxes where though? You just said low tax states are the ones attracting companies and the rust belt/appalachia states aren't generally thought of as being high tax. Sure, you could be talking about the corporate tax thing, but even under that, companies were going to low tax states from high tax states. That bolded part seems contradictory because the rust belt isn't a high tax zone, that I'm aware of.