Ben No.3

Look it up... it's a fact

Details. And insignificant. And also not all accurate but I won't be nitpicky. I already said than nazi Socialists were a little different than soviet ones. Hehe. Next thing we know you will claim that during civil war the anti slavery north was democratic and the pro slavery south was republican...Slavery is a historical part of practically all systems. Even Matriarchy societies had them. So, sorry no bonus. A fun fact... many supporters of the civil rights movement, at least before the government of the US started its witch hunt, were either in the socialist or even in the communist party, as those two have equality at the heart of their ideology.

You've done well. Yet some of your opinions are breathtakingly wrong. But you've done well. Greeting to your sister.

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people. But mommy he kicked me first... You are searching for excuse for killing millions of people? Sad... No. Killing is always wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that EVERY ideology can get (ab)used in a way to justify killings. So don't tell me "x is bad cause these followers killed people", because these people just look for a cover to conduct their killings under. And I'm sure mommy would agree.These wasn’t followers. Those system HAVE BEEN implemented in various forms in various places around the world. Always the same results - mass poverty and mass killings. It wasn't a clerical error it's how those systems works. Yes, it's how a dictatorship works that uses communism to justify themselves. I do not support dictatorship.

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people. But mommy he kicked me first... You are searching for excuse for killing millions of people? Sad... No. Killing is always wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that EVERY ideology can get (ab)used in a way to justify killings. So don't tell me "x is bad cause these followers killed people", because these people just look for a cover to conduct their killings under. And I'm sure mommy would agree.

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that. Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people.

Visited Trier today. Truly lovely city. Houses many wonderful Roman ruins, some of which have been expanded by medieval architects. Oh, and there is a lovely museum installed in the birthplace of Marx.

Proletarians of all countries unite

Ah, such a simple, beautiful dream. You know it's time to wake up and smell the coffee when even technocrats acknowledge the problem, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-9u_UzgIU I can't sit through an hours worth of debate, and I'm never really sure where you stand on most issues, although you strike me as the militant SJW type. So I'll respond to what Ben said in another thread about people voting for Trump as wanting to shake things up, and attempt to tie that to Brexit and this thread. Most of my Irish family died in WW2; my grandfather didn't as he wasn't drafted due to both of his legs bing smashed in a road traffic accident. He worked until he was 70 as a labourer, then died in a hospital from gangrene in his legs because the hospital didn't treat him. Then his assets got taken (after a lifetime of saving for his kids) to pay for my grandmothers care. She died soon after because her carers were stealing the food and drink we brought her, and we were told her absent mindedness was dementia - it was actually dehydration which actually caused her to fall and led to her death. If my grandparents assests had gone in part to my aunt, she wouldn't have died either. She worked 100+ hours a week to keep her job in immigration, she was treated like a servant by the immigrants who thought it was great fun to call her out to replace a light bulb, or empty the dishwasher. If she didn't do it she was afraid they'd call her racist and she's loose her job. While most those immigrants were living in £1 - £5m houses, she had only enough money to rent a 12' square garage - which she was so ashamed of she didn't tell us her address, so when she had a heart attack we got there too late. None of that would have happened if she was given a percentage of what my grandparents worked for over their 100 combined years of paying every tax in the book, and national insurance. And I'm not even gonna go into the history of my gypsy family, or my Sicilian family murdered by organised crime and mostly drowning in the sea as they fled to Tunisia before having all of their assets stolen by that government. I because I know you SJW types dont "care" or you think it's white people's "turn" since now that we're feeling the effects of "equality" (after all we knew was privilige) it feels like discrimination. So (and I'm talking to the more reasonable SJW types here like Bruce and Ben), if you wanted to know where the Brexit and Trump 'white people's backlash' came from, I'd put forward that it was mostly from families like mine. Here's the thing, I'm not a SJW, I'm a socialist. Equality of everyone is at the heart of my beliefs. And, the story you are telling seems like a class, not a race problem, to be honest. Maybe a bit disguised as a race problem, but in essence it's a class thing.

It's time for a more radical and controversial proposition I don't necessarily support but is still fun to talk about: the abolition of private property. Mind you, private property, not personal property. So really, anything that isn't considered a mean of production remains yours. Oh, and it will be controlled by the people not the state, with government being merely a administrative body. Important one, as history has shown.

In a common cause against him. Worldwide thousands of people are on the streets, saying no to protectionism, to disrespect against women, to the empowerment of homophobes etc. There are those few supporting him... the right winged populists of Europe had a congress in Germany today. The congress had Ann equal numbers of visitors and protestors against it. Trump said he'd give the power back to the people. Mr. Trump, you don't need to do that... we're just taking it back.

My friend, we are running towards a situation where returns>growth. Combined with the extreme accumulation of wealth in private hand, that is a problem

The full thing: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/16/worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50?openedFrom=todaywidget&campaign_id=A100&articleList=worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50,pound-falls-lowest-level-since-october-flash-crash-fears-britain,donald-trump-condemns-russia-vladimir-putin-syria-michael-gove-a7528876.html,ms-and-swedish-supermarkets-ditch-sticky-labels-for-natural-branding Now this obviously is a quite shockinv figure. Me personally I find it simply obscene. It is beyond ridiculous, and I think it shouts for reforms. Now obviously tackling global inequality isn't particularly easy, thus I'm taking it to this beautiful board. So what do you think? Should something be done, and if so what, or is this not worrying at all? Its a frustrating, divisive and unhelpful report. We have been debating this in SA since its launch, the people from Oxfam discuss the report and there comments are basically anti-Capitalist and full of pseudo-economic suggestions They offer no real solutions but diatribe against the private sector and globalisation Well what about you? What do you think of the problem itself, leave aside oxfam.

With your views, I'm glad you're afraid. Be very afraid. Oh I'm afraid for the fate of the world. Personally I'm a straight white male, so I doubt he'll take away my freedom of speech

What? This seems amusing, please do elaborate

A topic of huge importance. Quite fittingly, while I started to read Piketty, the Guardian published an article of which the following exert belongs to: The full thing: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/16/worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50?openedFrom=todaywidget&campaign_id=A100&articleList=worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50,pound-falls-lowest-level-since-october-flash-crash-fears-britain,donald-trump-condemns-russia-vladimir-putin-syria-michael-gove-a7528876.html,ms-and-swedish-supermarkets-ditch-sticky-labels-for-natural-branding Now this obviously is a quite shockinv figure. Me personally I find it simply obscene. It is beyond ridiculous, and I think it shouts for reforms. Now obviously tackling global inequality isn't particularly easy, thus I'm taking it to this beautiful board. So what do you think? Should something be done, and if so what, or is this not worrying at all?

He seemed like a pleasant guy. Great speeches. Good intentions.

I see many people celebrating the speech. I personally just am genuinely afraid of this man now, more than I was before. You really did elect a right winged populist for your president. I mean... phew... At least, when it's my generations turn, the pendulum will be coming right back. I'm hopeful that we can then indeed reach wonderful things

Everyone is free to exercise their own religion and culture, as long as they behave by the laws set. That's how freedom in a republic should work.What you are saying is is that if there's a conflict of differences of culture (not the whole culture mind you, a part of the culture) that doesn't conflict with any laws, you are saying it is the country who should integrate to their culture on said issue, and not the immigrant to the culture of the land? That is more important?What culture of the land? Germany as it is now exists for not even three decades, and what culture we had before is, in recent years, quite crappy. Europe is just a melting point for dozens of cultures, what's bad about adding another one? The US, well immigration is the reason it exists. The only "real" Americans are either treated very poorly or killed.Since your not answering the very simple question, I should take it that you feel it is the land that the immigrants come TO that must change if there is a conflict of cultures?I'm not trying being snarky or judgmental, I was just curious. Essentially yes... I do not see culture connected to nations or nationality in any sense but a historic one... a conflict of cultures? Isn't a free market all about competition? Why not apply that to art? The Quran is quite well written and certainly nice to look at.Thank you for your answer. I was thinking on the subject of immigration and I only know from my view point. I tried to find a K.I.S.S. type question to help understand the differences in core opinion/line of thinking on the subject. I agree with you on religion. Imho religion is a set of values and standards and beliefs that ONLY apply to one self if they chose to follow said religion. If you chose to follow said religion, that does not mean that someone who doesn't has to fall in line with what it brings and convert or else they enemies/infidels. It should not impact anyone else, only your self. While I disagree with you on your answer, I'm not looking to change that answer u gave. Your free to think that is best just like I am free to think against it. BUT moreso just trying to find reasons why places that are for and against immigration and the huge effects of those decisions without resorting to name calling such as racists and idiots etc. Heh, you have a point there....

1. Well then I'm very sorry for them, but we've have such a thing as freedom of religion and free practice of religion. This is a problem of stigmata and prejudice, it should be resolvable through open minded dialogue. 2. I hear where you are coming from, but more than avoiding refugees, which the right wing could use as a argument in their favour ("now we showed them sense"), the successful integration would be a far stronger political symbol. 3. I agree, but this is a problem of our institutions. 4. There are real concerns about neo Nazis burning down camps as well. Stop the villianisation (spelling at its best) 5. I don't have the time to answer, i will

The very existence of this debate is almost embarrassing. When did the pursuit of happiness for all men stop becoming a self evident truth?

I sense a certain sarcasm. Please tell me of the evils of islam, so I can understand why they are so different. Oh, and remember that the last time we saw terrorism in Germany, it was executed by Nazis. Before that by communists. Both were German. So the fact that radicals abuse it is no flaw of Islam itself. Also tell me what is wrong with the protection of minorities.

... Whoever wishes to live in our society is welcome to. If he imports new culture, that is a gain for society. I'm not forcing anyone, you perhaps missed my point here. About accommodation of guests... if the number is large enough, then yes obviously they need special treatment. Endangerment of minorities is one of democracy's biggest flaws, so all minorities need to be protected.

Because all of our western beliefs are compatible amongst each other? Both Marx and Smith are western thinkers, both Capitalists and Socialists have a large number of supporters in the western world. Those ideologies oppose each other, we get along. Jews and Christians, we are very split on Jesus. We get along. Atheists and Theists. Racists and Egalitarians. Traditionalists and Progressives. Anarchists and Authoritarians. We're all different. Very different. Direct opposition in some cases. We get along. Islam isn't some great evil. Like Christianity, it proclaims the killings of certain groups. Like Christianity, people right now use it to justify mass murder. Like Christianity, most believers are not madmen or even fundamentalists. So please, can we all just calm down?