Ben No.3

Please just do. your research.... The communist party of the US supported racial equality. Period.

There some things you can do... for example: Today, 8 richtest own as much as poorest 50% What to do of this and how to regard is is indeed very subjective. The fact as such is however a fact. I think we should agree that we all need to back our sources with another source, and that other source should be as independent from the first one as possible.

What happened to only using academic sources? Or at least trustworthy sources?

I'll just outline what I'm trying to say here... give me a little time...

Now see, here you made a mistake and showed your true colors. So there will be someone who will force me to give more of what I produced and reduce the things I will get. Because it will always be that I gave to little and I take to much. We've been there bro.Congratulations, you just implemented North Korean style of government ] If your rights are violated, if you are forced to do something against your will, you can always take the case to court. Here's something central that North Korea lacks: separation of power My true colours? I just genuinely want to make the world a better place mate -.-

who is discouraging you to give away your stuff? Why are you still talking about 'them'? (well I suppose your family may say you are idiot but still)again, lets say I have business with 10 employees, how you going to 'convince' me to give it up?What kind of business do you have? This is important.And I'm not asking you to give it up, by no means. I encourage you to work harder in fact. But I ask you to change your motivations: work for te people, not for the profit.I am not a people? My family are not people? And why it matters what business it is? so lets say farmer? it will be interesting then the land on which you build your farm is the people's. So, you do your work, every year. You keep what you need. The rest, you give away. In return, you get back all the goods you need but can't provide yourself with.I AM EFFING PEOPLE YOU %%%%%%got enough, i would get banned if this continue, well another one on ignore list So it is yours. By a margin. It belongs to everyone equally, it belongs to no one individually.

Same

Let me but in since Chilloutman went to chill out Is there anyone that will decide how much I need to keep or is it up to me? Will someone intervene if I keep 30%, 50%, 70%, 99%, 100%? And on the other hand is there anyone who decide how much of things I cannot provide for myself I get? I just make a list? Someone else makes a list? If I make a list, will somoene verify and correct my list? If someone else makes then on what grounds he makes this list? Huh, Wiki tells me that 15yo and up can work a 40 hour week in Germany. You should try that. He is clearly 9 tops. PS. Can a moderator cut out separate topic from this discussion? Can it be named 2017 - a 1984 sequel by Ben No.3 You trust I will change the world this dramatically already in 2017? Here's the thing... certain goods like heatlhcare, education, and basic living supplies, thus also basic food, shouldn't be used to make profits. So you couldn't sell them privately. This means that you can keep as much as you want, but there's no point in keeping more than you need. The more you give away, the more you get back. If you keep more than you need, then the food would either just rot, or you could try to sell it. But since there is an abundance of food production and thus no demand for more food (unless you are very specialised in very exotic food; but that wouldn't be basic food, so that wouldn't be affected in the first place), it is very unlikely that there will be a black market that is worth the risk. Also, for an 9 year old, I'd say I'm holding up quite well against you guys. Quite telling that the proclaimed alt right can't even shut a small little child.

Huh, Wiki tells me that 15yo and up can work a 40 hour week in Germany. You should try that. Well I'm also quite keen on getting my school done. Those 40 affect those who go out of school and start to learn something specific, BUT just as a "regular" job you can not do that.

who is discouraging you to give away your stuff? Why are you still talking about 'them'? (well I suppose your family may say you are idiot but still) again, lets say I have business with 10 employees, how you going to 'convince' me to give it up? What kind of business do you have? This is important. And I'm not asking you to give it up, by no means. I encourage you to work harder in fact. But I ask you to change your motivations: work for te people, not for the profit. I am not a people? My family are not people? And why it matters what business it is? so lets say farmer? it will be interesting then the land on which you build your farm is the people's. So, you do your work, every year. You keep what you need. The rest, you give away. In return, you get back all the goods you need but can't provide yourself with.

I help out at Oxfam. Sadly I can not work a lot, since well child labour and all that.

who is discouraging you to give away your stuff? Why are you still talking about 'them'? (well I suppose your family may say you are idiot but still) again, lets say I have business with 10 employees, how you going to 'convince' me to give it up? What kind of business do you have? This is important. And I'm not asking you to give it up, by no means. I encourage you to work harder in fact. But I ask you to change your motivations: work for te people, not for the profit.

Well, I believe that if the people are to receive all output, then the people (not the government!) should also own the machines and direct the way of their output. So democracy instead of dictatorship. In an ideal world, we work for personal fulfilment. The financial worries are covered by the economy, which is essentially but a motor to supply all people. The point of a job should not be self sustainment, but rather personal enjoyment and the experience off doing something that is truly meaningful. Ehmm, if you have company, you own the machines, you receive all output ( - taxes) and you direct the way of their outputs. So what are you talking about? If you believe in your utopia noone is stopping you to buy a machine, work it, and then give output to whoever you want. So your only problem are people who will not do it. So you need to dictate what they will do with output of their machines. Sad point of job was self sustain for thousand of years. I don't understand where you find out that it should be free time activity.... Nothing you just wrote makes any sense If the machines (and the land) are owned by the people, in other words, if they are public goods rather than private, then their output logicallly also belongs to everyone, and in equal parts. So if the machines work to sustain everyone equally rather than to generate profit, then the individual does not need to take care of sustaining himself... society does that already. He is therefore free to follow his passion, free of any form of financial worries. I have strong urge to vomit now xD again, what will you do with people who will not hand out their private property and who is stopping you to give freebees of your work to people today? A very small group of people exploit a rather large group. No, obviously they won't want to give it away. But oh well... democracy. (Insert evil laughter here) No one stops them. But our system strongly discourages it, so why should they?

Well, I believe that if the people are to receive all output, then the people (not the government!) should also own the machines and direct the way of their output. So democracy instead of dictatorship. In an ideal world, we work for personal fulfilment. The financial worries are covered by the economy, which is essentially but a motor to supply all people. The point of a job should not be self sustainment, but rather personal enjoyment and the experience off doing something that is truly meaningful. Ehmm, if you have company, you own the machines, you receive all output ( - taxes) and you direct the way of their outputs. So what are you talking about? If you believe in your utopia noone is stopping you to buy a machine, work it, and then give output to whoever you want. So your only problem are people who will not do it. So you need to dictate what they will do with output of their machines. Sad point of job was self sustain for thousand of years. I don't understand where you find out that it should be free time activity.... Nothing you just wrote makes any sense If the machines (and the land) are owned by the people, in other words, if they are public goods rather than private, then their output logicallly also belongs to everyone, and in equal parts. So if the machines work to sustain everyone equally rather than to generate profit, then the individual does not need to take care of sustaining himself... society does that already. He is therefore free to follow his passion, free of any form of financial worries.

Automation is the biggest chance we have. If we give all the "bad", so essentially the alienating jobs to machines, it is fir us to follow our true desires. And don't worry about the economy, the machines got it.

Well, I believe that if the people are to receive all output, then the people (not the government!) should also own the machines and direct the way of their output. So democracy instead of dictatorship. In an ideal world, we work for personal fulfilment. The financial worries are covered by the economy, which is essentially but a motor to supply all people. The point of a job should not be self sustainment, but rather personal enjoyment and the experience off doing something that is truly meaningful.

so, back to the caves or what? You can't stop progress Use the machines to benefit all people equally, not just the owners/shareholders of the company that owns the machines.

I though people voted him because they had lost their jobs and he will bring them back. I think unemployed vote were marginal, point was that bringing jobs back ofcourse affects middle class and business associated with big companies. eg if you start manufacturing cars, someone have to repair them as well, someone have to insure them, someone have to transport them around etc etc. thats what is creating jobs and benefiting middle class But if everybody already has job, why they would need drastic measures to create more of them? Do they plan to bring Mexicans to do the jobs or what? Also car manufacturing don't itself bring repair jobs you need people buying said cars and use them to make repair jobs, and bringing manufacturing job to back to US may rise prices of cars, as manufacturing in US is said to be more expensive than it is in Mexico, and higher priced cars usually mean less sold cars, which means less need for repair shops etc. which means less jobs in that sector. If there are more jobs than people, it drives companies to compete for employees -> salary raise -> happy middle class so yes, it can drive price of item in question higher, however you gain more cash as well, and not all items will go up in price or not that much as your salary (in theory at least) And why exactly wouldn't most industries just replace their employees with machines? Tbh, I see quite a risk here... not enough people to fill all jobs will push forward innovation regarding machines, therefore making ever better machines. If the machines get better, it becomes more profitable to replace employees with machines, leading to maybe more jobs, but not for you.

Yawn!I sorry I forgot I need to actually write "yawn" because you cannot see all the normal, educated people yawning reading your rants trying to distance yourself from your fellow socialists. So to cut the long story short I will call the new rule of forum placed by TN. Cite actually academic sources, say Harvard maybe, or Oxford to back up your claim. Otherwise don't bother. True, actually. In communism, people aren't employed by the state. In fact, there is no state. As a source, I recommend you reading Das Kapital. Since it is very long and not all too interesting to read, you can also read the communist manifesto, which is only thirty pages. In fact, you only need chapter one and two, if you really wanna boil things down.

I'd like to know what you think of it if so.

Exceptionally accurate -.-

Granted, it seems strange. But I've sited an academic source you can access, so....

I'd say I have sufficiently proven my point here

https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/91/4/1233/710119/The-Long-Civil-Rights-Movement-and-the-Political Also, how is it I have to site academic sources, yet sharp one gets away with breitbart? EDIT: I realise that if you don't have an account you can't access it, so you can't really check that source. The third source I sited in my original post is an interview with Robin Kelley, who worked at USC, NYU, Columbia, and currently at UCLA. Sounds good enough?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Party_USA_and_African_Americans http://hankeringforhistory.com/the-communist-party-and-the-civil-rights-movement/ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194 Enough sources?