Hekate

Oh, silly me! I meant if there is a site or something that has the dialogue writen down. I've been searching the BioWare forums and haven't been able to find anything on what the actual content is.

Could you pretty please direct me where i could find it (w00t) ? Unfortunately i am stuck with the Xbox version so the computer read files that have to go into the game can't help me :'(

That lightsabres do actual energy weapon damage. They can melt through blast doors, how can a person take multiple hits and still be intact? Not that i'm suggesting a morbid "parts fallin' off and flyin' everywhere" deal, just a bit more realism would be good. And damn, do i ever want to get a hold of the formula for making cortosis weaves.

Nope. Neither Uthar nor Yuthura can train Revan. Revan is just there for the Star Map.

"lewt huntah" .... (w00t) loot hunter! :D Sure it's fair. Torch away... i may be a lone bastion standing against the tide of hack and slash, but i play the RPGs for the story and character interactions. It's like reading a book, except being an active participant in it, and it's one i re-read numerous times and can try different perspectives out in. I don't mind combat in amounts of even beyond respectable moderation, but when the game deteriorates into an endless stream of Smurfs vs. Godzilla (*cough* Malachor V), i get irked <_< I think part of the reason there is such a preoccupation with equipment and all that stems from the desire to get the most out of the game.

Just a little food for thought. Just because they leave Malachor V together (assuming he isn't a Force Ghost) doesn't necessarily mean he joins her to go find Revan. If Exile does indeed need a leeching subject, than Atton would do just fine, wouldn't he? Besides, if Malachor V is intact and those who survived remain behind, that means Exile is DS and may even be aspiring to build her/his own Sith army or whatever using the power spot as Revan did. Lots of people decide Exile has to be alone. I find that kinda odd that just because Revan did so, the assumption is Exile will. Nice line of thought! That didn't cross mine by a long shot. Another question is how did Exile know the Force bond between them was cut, since Exile had no clue it was there in the first place, and it seemed as if s/he and Kreia did not feel eachother as Bastila and Revan did? Was Exile perhaps willing to sacrifice her/his life in order to kill Kreia? I don't think so, that just doesn't make sense based on what went on in the game. I'm thinking Korriban plays a role in the Force bond breaking occurence, but don't know how. Curious too how Kreia was 'almost dead' the whole time Exile was out cold and didn't wake up until after Exile came close to her. My working theory is Kreia shifted her consciousness into Exile before they reached Peragus. And she must have had help considering they somehow survived an assault the whole Rep. ship (not Sojourn... forgot again) could not, and in the severely battered Ebon Hawk that just happens to be able to make it into Peragus safely... The other thought on that is trying to figure out how they bonded in the first place. It seemed a rather one-way bond with Kreia having to establish contact. It seemed as though Kreia was the one guiding Exile even when Exile was reading the others' surface thoughts. Intersting Exile could understand Bao-Dur, yet Kreia could not. Is that perhaps a link between Bao-Dur and Exile because of Malachor V? And i say damn straight something else is going on. But are we ever gonna find out what it is? " What is your theory, Jediphile? You've mentioned you have one a few times... or are you keeping it a secret? And this is where i get lost. my intent is not to be a pain, but aren't you contradicting yourself in the first vs. second paragraphs? Exile isn't an ominiscient being, her/him cutting her/his self off from the Force defies what should have happened. Gotcha up to there. So Exile defies the will of the Force by doing what only an ominiscient being could do, proving the Force has a will? That would only apply if the will of the Force was for Exile not to succumb to the echoes and iminent fall to the DS by instead becoming a wound in the Force... A side poit. I'm not so sure falling to the DS is the natural consequence of Malachor V. Being severly psychologically traumatized is. And Revan used that to work her/his evil 'turn others to the DS' mojo on those who survived Malachor V. And i thought, based on HK-47's and Kreia's explanations, Malachor V was used to either convert or get rid of those of the Republic Revan felt were a potential threat. But the other part to that is answering why all of those who survived fell to the DS. That wounding echo seems to have made anyone who didn't do what Exile did into Force leechers (like those Force Camouflaging assissn types) and that is why they fell. Was it the will of the Force all who were touched by Malachor V's destruction become DS unless they resisted succumbing to the echoes? I tend to view it as a consequence of being touched by the echoes from not cutting oneself off from the Force. But it seems everyone there was pretty much screwed no matter what. Hey, maybe that is the will of the Force; you mess with the Force and you're gonna pay Well, is the consequence of his choice a question of what his own morality bids him to do? Clearly the Exile did not want to fall to the dark side, but what I found intersting was that he actually had to deny and even wound the force in order to prevent that from happening. Ahh, so the thought is: by cuting himself off from the Force he is rejecting its will. Is that it?

Damn it Master! i'm a N00b, not a Rhodes scholar! :D Time to clear some things up... I was saying i don't want KotOR III to lose sight of Revan's past, especially not those of KotOR whom s/he tavelled with, nor of how they affected Revan. I like what they began with their relationships and psychology, so i'd like to see more of it. A denoument if it must end. With the alignment thing, if it has to be done for plot, so be it, but as you (The Architect) have stated (it is right there in your signature, ain't it? ) that is a cheap way out. Which they should not take. Ever. As far as meeting Revan in the tomb signifying the future goes, i thought that since when Exile first enters, the ghostly DS self of Exile standing next to Revan fades away as Revan moves in to kick Exile's llittle hine, that signified something different than a literal interpretation of the future. I mean, it fades away as Exile fights Revan's specter, so with just a little bit of reaching , i thought it meant not being tied to Revan's fate. I understood it as clearing up the past in order to be able to face the future. In fact, i thought it also, by extention, was indicating Revan was also fighting Exile in Revan's own struggle to be free of the deathgrip the past has on both of them (Revan left without explanation, Exile went into, err... exile, for a decade). When i think of what Revan and Exile represent to eachother; how to Revan, Exile is the one who 'gave the order' (blood on Exile's hands enlieu of Revan's), and to Exile, Revan is the initiator (started it all in the first place, reason for having blood on her/his hands), it makes sense Exile would have to face the root factor leading to her/his exile. Similar to how Malak asked Revan if things would have been different if s/he hadn't lead him down the dark path in the first place, or if, had chance given him the opportunity, would he have been able to be redeemed. Guess i'm saying the Revan confrontation was to force Exile to work on her/his past directly related to degree of responsibility. Oo, and didn't Kreia say the whole point of the tomb romp was to confront the past in order for Exile to be able to learn the higher mysteries? Isn't that why Exile has to be a certain level and clear L/DS alignment in order to gain access to the tomb? When the crew confronted Kreia and Exile chooses the 'apathy is death' option, that would indicate a foreshadowing of the decission to come at Malachor V, and Exile's unwillingness to face the past. The tomb experience is kinda akin to Kreia saying on Dxun Exile has to face the past in order for her/him to be able to face the future. Same with Atris (the first time around). Since it isn't until after the final confrontation with the Jedi Masters on Dantooine that Exile finds out about her/him being a wound in the Force, doesn't that signify the culmination of catching-up to the present up to that point? And the future is then set in motion by the decision at Malachor V facing Kreia. Or am i just nuts? :D Loud and clear :D But i was specifically saying with scripting the alingments for III, they risk the possibility of screwing up what has been built-up in KotOR and KotOR II. And at that thought, i run in fear. I concur. The current state of "the Republic is on the brink of fallling apart but yet still seems to be able to hold it together regardless of how bad things get. But they are on the verge of collapse... really... they are... trust us *wink*" is reaching the point of implausability. Or in the same vein as the Sith Lords of old, that in-fighting kills them all a la Ajunta Pall "It's my first day" - Homer Simpson Seriously though, i must have really mucked something up somewhere 'cause i re-read the offending post and i, in my folly, cannot see where i implied you wanted to go pre-scripting the pre-KotOR III Revan & Exile. Doesn't that just go to show how Obi-Wan said it best (from memory) "you will find many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view" Revan was long-sighted too. S/he planned the whole Jedi involvement in the Mandalorian wars thing and that was just as a first step on the road to; first; taking over the Sith by creating a power spot but only with the right timing which allowed for the best results in converting Jedi and non-Force sensitives, then, taking over/creating the Sith and finding/mastering the Star Forge, taking over the Republic, then pareparing for the "true" Sith invasion... Wait a second, you put a in there, didn't ya? I don't care how many people hate him, i want Carth in it too. I felt his character was integral to Revan's development, for good, or ill. And he had some very funny lines

And pick them apart, we shall i don't know... it seems as though the choices a person has with regards to Force connected or not are either A) Force or B) a life-sucking wound in the Force. Makes sense except for one thing, how can she feel the midi-chlorians in others if the ones in her (assuming they are the vehicle for a person to be able to precieve the Force) are dead? Leave it to Kreia to confuse the matter some more

"I'd love to know what's going on in that shifty mind of yours" Sometimes so would I... Not sure if this is one of them, though (w00t) Ah, but that's just what they want you to think... Old Bao-Dur is a crafty old manipulator, and the whole thing is just a little too convenient. Besides, you can't really rule out that there is something more going on here, can you? :ph34r: Bao-Dur, the friendly neighbourhood true Sith Lord, is trying to restore Telos so he can later, once it has recovered, leech it Nihilous fashion. Yum-yum! Now there is a Sith Lord with foresight! No, not spoon fed... Force fed What i meant is; why go to the effort of setting it all up in the first place? That's all. It'd be neat if Bao-Dur had an army of Remotes, ready to do his bidding. Since they are so innocuous, they'd easily be able to infiltrate... Maybe that is why G0-T0 hates Remote so much.

Oh... thanks (whisper) By the way, what language do they speak? Yup. That it is set in the SW universe lends familiarity and players already have a sense of the SW *feel*. And they also have familiarity with the overriding concepts and themes ie: the Force, the tech, the political structure, etc...

It sounds to me as if Revan used her/his tactics to affect the Jedi and Force sensitives throughout the war. Eventually, the lfinal conversion stage came down to one decisive last event with the destruction of Malachor V. A point that seems rather clear since we agree on it But, i can't see how messing up the Jedi through trauma and by the cause-and-effect of destroying Malachor V equates to the Jedi turning to the DS being the Force's will. It seems more like an oft misused physics theory "for every action there is an equivalent reaction", meaning; because of the bad way Revan went about creating the power spot and destroying the Jedi's psyches, it is a natural consequence they should turn to the DS. In essence, Revan broke the Jedis' wills and spirits. IMHO it is because of human (Ithorian and so forth) nature they got corrupted. Not because the Force wanted them to turn to the DS. As seems to be supported by Kreia's own statements: Does that make sense? It is so hard for me to tell anymore :D It is especially the "feeds on death" part i find particularily intersting. In earlier discussions in this thread and in others on this forum, the question of how Nihilous leeches vs. how Exile leeches comes up. And this statement of Kreia's is saying Nihilous (being a creation of the destruction), as Malachor V does since the war too, feeds not on the Force, but rather on the "energy" released through the death of those in tune with the Force. Kinda like soakin' up the energy realsed when breaking molecular bonds (similar to nuclear power). It seems; however; Nihilous can also drain both non/Force sentives as he did Tobin and the mindless puppets on the Ravager's bridge. The point being, he doesn't seem to directly drain the Force from people; he seems to kill them and (metaphorically speaking) eat their souls which leaves the absence of Force/life. Even with all that said, i still can't reconcile the discrepencies in the basic mechanics, and thus concept, of what is being leeched (Force, life energy, both, other...) nor of how (killing midi-chlorians, draining Force, etc). Uh... call me cheeky, but that could be interpreted in the "how could one choose to turn away from the power of being able to leech, which (turning away) can only be done through giving up the Force since, for all of those touched by Mallachor V, to connect with the Force can from then on only be done by feeding on others". In other words, Exile was permanently affected by Malachor V, and will never be able to use the Force normally again. And rather than her/his choosing to become like Nihilous and friends, Exile chose instead to cut her/his self off from the Force entirely. So, that could mean Exile isn't a Force black hole, rather, Exile is Forceless. Ahhh, clarity... i remember those days... So are you using "destiny" as a means of saying karmic outcome? Exile ordered the MSG be used so it is her/his destiny to carry the consequences of that decision? Or are you saying it is all a part of the Force's "master plan" that Exile should become DS? And with that, all the theories fall apart. How can one individual severing her/his ties to the Force make a wound in the Force? That is what gets me so confused. Using Mellypie's suggestion of Exile killed the midi-chlorians, i don't understand how that can leave a wound in the Force. There seems to be a connection to how Exile cut her/himself off from the Force and the effect it had of creating a wound in the Force. And Kreia also said Exile using the Force casts echoes (which makes sense only in the context of s/he is a wound in the Force). She seemed to believe that was a risk she was willing to take in awakening Exile in order for Exile to be able to eliminate Nihilous' threat. I was reminded of biology and chemistry class with the homeostasis concept; that life has a tendency toward balance (not necessarily order vs. chaos. A different argument entirely) and so does the Force. Makes sense. When things are out of whack, all hell breaks loose because of how interconnected everything is. The Force connects even the most distant solar systems to eachother, even through the vacuum of space. It connects all. So i guess it boils down to this; can life exist without that balancing (and hence destiny controlling) aspect of the Force? or will too much disruption occur (ie: ozone depletion) and eventually, all life will die? That is of course, if the Exile really is a wound in the Force. Yeah, so if midi-chlorians are the "conduit" for the Force, than without them, the Force wouldn't be able to be felt, but the Force would still be there. Yep. Just look at the indepth discussions the games have evoked. It adds more layers, sub-text, and psychology to the SW universe. Even with their little cheeky jibes

I've been wondering this since i heard her make that comment the first time i played through; what exactly are her teachings? I'd say (not to be argumentative, i really do) she most definitely respects the Jedi more than the Sith. During a conversation with her and Exile is dark side, she comments on how the DS cannot lead to the higher mysteries and things along that line. And here i thought she wanted to put an end to Nihilous and Sion because if their power was left unchecked, it would destroy the galaxy. " Will put effort into pairing things down henceforth. My appologies.

Jediphile has very big brain. It takes Hekate very long time to understand what very complex ideas Jediphile is making. Need very much patience and very hard thinking Yes! Very bad directing of childrens' roles. Actually, i found most of the directing to be... lacking. Not that i could do any better though I thought so too. He seemed way too arrogant and overconfident to have been able to be into the whole "passionless serenity" thing. But why, oh why, did the Jedi Council not do anything significant about it? That seems to be a repetition of a theme with SW. The Force users (Jedi/Sith) are maybe made to be too powerful which forces them to come to lean too deeply into the stupid side of the Force in order to allow for plot. *cough - Jedi Council if Revan is already DS when meeting them first time in KotOR (I) - cough* Guess the DS of Revan made it difficult for the Jedi Masters to see The Exile has the power to the deny the will of the force. He was destined by the will of the force to fall to the dark side at the battle of Malachor V. But he didn't. I thought the effect of letting out the death screams/emptiness echoes which affected those at Malachor V created the siphons and Force leechers/feeders due to a cause and effect occurence. I didn't think the Force had much direct involvement with that; it just happens. Kinda like if you fall out of a tree, you get hurt. I had no clue the Force would will Exile to become DS. Yeah, he sub-consciously responded to the "Force attack" by severing himself from the Force. So now the question of "how did that not kill him?" begs to be asked. But i think it isn't that he drained himself of the Force, he just closed the door to it. So the Force, ie: the energy of all living things, etc... is still part of him. But the flaw with that logic is if that were true, than howcome they all say they feel as if he is an absence of the Force? So either being without the Force doesn't kill you if you "make the fortitude roll' type of deal which the Masters and everyone at Malachor V failed, or the whole "the Force is everything" concept is actually false. Oh, and wouldn't he have noticed right away when it happened that he has lost his Force connection? Someone else actually posted that earlier (don't remember who nor where): that it was Kreia who first suggested that idea to Exile. S/he hadn't thought of that her/himself prior to that. And someone else asked the exact same question i'm about to ask now (again, no recollection of who nor where): if s/he was completely cut off from the Force, than how does the Exile create Force bonds? Or is it that they naturally occur as a type of resonance from the other person and Exile's attunement to that aspect of the Force opened the door to allow that. I think Kreia didn't at all want the death of the Force. She wanted to end the Force's ability to control people's destiny's. (Although the will of the Force could be the reason SW I-III's Jedi Council practiced the stupid side of the Force.. they had no choice in the matter since the Force was controlling their destinies. ) I think she was a lot more benevolent than evil (albeit in a twisted way involving much murder and mayhem ) "I am slain." :'( Exuent with flourish. He is a bit of both, but probably more the former, if you ask me. Note that if the Exile is DS, he still cannot simply kill the masters by draining them (until after they're dead, at least...) But the post-mortem draining occurs through his natural instincts, refering directly to the stuff Kreia was talking about. He can only do that because of "The Malachor V Effect" (to coin a phrase), which means he is a leech. And more confusion ensued too long, continued in next slot

BG and NWN original (Aribeth, d'oh! :"> ) are the only 2 i've finished. Didn't finish BG II and Fallout (is Planescape: Torment a BioWare title? Didn't get past 5 mins after leaving the morgue for the first time). So i haven't finished most. Does that mean i suck? :D On second thought, don't answer that :'( Haven't played Diablo so i haven't a clue what Musopticon? meant by "phat lewt huntah". Or is that computer person-speak and that is why i don't understand it?

I wasn't going to say anything in this topic, but...WTF? Don't know how to add a new quote to an existing post with "edit" so, sorry for the double post. Now to explain: I was making an obscure reference to what i think is one of the funniest lines your avatar (comic shop owner of the Simpsons) says " worst... episode... ever..." in a pained voice during a particularily bad episode of The Simpsons. Wasn't saying anything about your opinion on the prequels or any such things. I just like your avatar.

Not saying there isn't anything at all of value in SW I-III. Crazy as it may sound (hate mail abounds ), i didn't find The Phantom Menace all that bad. Well, minus the really bad directing of the child actors, and those uber-irritating Disneyesque and completely in the wrong film pod race announcers <_< , and a few other things... The Clone Wars had Padme perfectly ok with Anakin having just butchered an entire village of Sand People (coincidentally, doing the same in KotOR didn't give any DS points... ) yet she is supposed to have been a social activist. One among other inconsistencies in the film. The third i barely remember; all i recall is wondering why Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't get a little "crispy" (yay Bao-Dur!) when fighting centimetres away from lava. Also questioning why none of the trilogy answered what happened to Anakin to bring him to the threshold of being able to be corrupted. He began as a concienscious and selfless (said by his mom and Qui Gong seemed to agree), if mouthy kid who suddenly became an arrogant punk padawan. I was left thinking "what did the Jedi do to him to make him become like that?" I think people speak ill of those movies since no matter how much CG nor how many action sequences (Padme in a pot) are put into them in order to cover for its failings, a poorly told story will be found lacking. Don't forget that the sith have been hunting the jedi from the shadows, so the masters know nothing about who these sith are. The most they know is that they attacked Katarr and destroyed all life there (but one). Naturally this was Nihilus, but the masters don't know that - they only know that the power that destroyed Katarr was somehow related to the Exile, since they felt the same thing in the force when they judged him/her. That's the connection between the exile and the "Sith" - a connection between the exile and Nihilus, which still hasn't been fully revealed, and which I suspect may be unveiled in K3. Didn't Kreia say she saw the death of the Force in Exile? How would that work if Exile was just a siphon? Didn't she also say the Jedi Council was saying the truth when they spoke of Exile getting her/his power from draining the Force from others and that s/he is the same type of Force leech Nihilous was? My plot-hole sense is tingling Kreia doesn't equal the force with all life. Note how she respects the skills of common people and berate the jedi (when she speaks with Atton while the Exile is sleeping on Citadel Station over Telos) for being helpless without the force. Is she correct? We don't know, but she hates the force enough to want to kill it even it has consequences for all life. Personally, I think her relation with the Sith was in no small part due to Nihilus' ability to wound the force, which Kreia probably also intended to control. When Nihilus and Sion then cast her out, she instead found the only other person who could wound the force - the Exile - and then used him both to harm the force and to take revenge on her enemies (the jedi masters and her defiant sith apprentices). I'm confused still. In killing the Force, she would be killing all life. So why not just let Nihilous do it? Isn't that ultimately what Exile would be doing anyway? (Not asking as if you should have the all the answers. Just curious about your thoughts/opinions) Why would she care she was cast down from her mantle of Sith Lord if what she wants is going to happen anyway? When she drained all the Force from the Jedi Masters, they died. It even said worse than death, they were like an absence of Force. That is Exile's power - according to Kreia and the council. A hole in the Force, and in order for Exile to use the Force, s/he has got to drain other's Force "left overs", hence the siphon explanation. Is Exile a siphon or a leech?

Like it... but why did he block Exile from leaving Peragus, and then let them escape?

Correction: That should have been writen as: ... Exile "Do you have any clue how so-and-so happened?" to which Kreia answers: "Not a one" ... :"> To quote Yoshimo (Baldur's Gate II) "How embarassing"

Correction: I made a mistake with this :"> ; Carth, Zaalbar, and Canderous have humourous responses to the joke. Jolee and Canderous exchange witty banter if Revan miffs Lashowe off enough to get her to threaten you using the line (paraphrasing) "Do you know how many Sith there are here in Dreshdae?".

Mesa no like dat I really liked how KotoR II gave so much more significance to KotoR through Revan's backstory. As of the introduction of II, Revan's choices before the reveal, how her/his companions affected her/him, the struggle s/he faces after the reveal, become intrinsically tied into the future plot. Or else, what was the point? Shoulda just made it a first person shooter. I understand the need for a pre-scripting of Revan's alignment with certain possible plots, but it irritates me how if it is scripted as DS, it means LS Revan basically didn't learn nor really face her/his own inner demons (or failed with her/his internal struggle which is fine and adds depth). How her/him choosing not to join DS Bastila when it would have been so easy marks how Revan reached a new milestone in her/his personality and gained even more willpower/inner strength, become completely squashed. If those were taken into account and given some mention; that Revan fell again but with keeping her/his previous KotoR experiences important to her/him (as Jediphile suggested in an earlier post in another thread; it will take those connections Revan had established to redeem her/him - still way cool :cool: ), than i say ok. But it's not ok to disregard the previous history built-up over the earlier game. And wouldn't that just make for the ultimate in irony? Begin KotoR as a mindwiped Revan who just happened have been there (head of the Sith) before already, then at the end ascends the Sith throne again, then in III, Revan again ascends then loses the Sith throne. Either way, i think Revan being there facing the "true" Sith alone would take more than 4 years of plotting to be able to overthrow the current Sith ruler. These guys are supposed to be quite nasty, and "out there" Revan starts with nothing (we assume) and isn't even a part of their society as s/he was in the Republic's as a Jedi. Palpitine took what, 20 years? of plotting and building his reputation as a senator in order for him to be trusted enough to be voted supreme chancelor and plan out the whole clone army thing. Maybe it would make sense (and coinside with what Kreia said about Revan needing both Sith and Jedi allies and all that) if Revan is plotting, gathering info, establishing a "true" Sith accepted identity for her/his self (which would take some time), establishing contacts, and all that, and III could be a bit more pencil & paper RPG (yes, still with lots of killing) with having more of a campaign of messing up these "true" Sith, or reducing their threat (ie: eliminating some of their places of power as with the destruction of Malachor V) and wreaking general havok and destabalizing their government, etc. Building up to the big taking on the Lord of the "true" Sith ending. How about overthrow = redeem? I agree. Jolee, who was *ancient* and very experienced, joined as a lvl 6 (you'd think he'd have pre-set powers, etc..) and he was lower level than Revan. Same with Kreia, etc... Start at level 1 or at level 30; doesn't really matter (although a lvl 30 start would be a nightmare for new players having to figure all these powers out at once :D ) as long as they make the opponents challenging enough. I think i understand what you are saying. It may well be the cast for III was set by the more important people in KotoR & KotoR II. I'd be miffed if all the KotoR & KotoR II cast was dropped for III. There is a reason they brought Bastila and Carth back in KotoR II... i think there was a reason ... tell me there was a reason! However, it is possible KotoR will be there just to tell Revan's story and to introduce the timeline etc.. and KotoR II is there to establish the premise of III - people from here having to go there to save here - and Exile'll be demoted to "plot device" status as Revan was, with Exile being the binding element to bring in the new cast of characters who have to follow Exile's example who is following Revan's example, although, the quasi-ending of KotoR doesn't actually state Exile follows Revan. Maybe Revan comes back from her/his forray into the Unknown Regions and has to kick the new Dark Lord of the Sith: Exile's butt. Wouldn't that be something? It depends. In my own plot speculation, I made the third person the one who either orchestrates Revan's redemption or else has to kill him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But how would that person be significant in a personal way to either Revan or the story? I think that is what JohnZ117 is driving at.

In my experience, to get him declared innocent, don't mention his disabling injury because that contradicts the witnesses saying he ran fast leaving the hotel. Also, don't say much beyond getting the witnesses to admit they didn't actually *see* Sunnry commit the murder. It is ok to mention the affair, but avoid the war hero option - that's like tellin' 'em he became declorated for killin' Sith, which is exactly the opposite of what Revan is trying to prove. It is ok to ask the witnesses just one question, even no questions. But it is important to get the info about the victim (can't remember her name either :"> fatal system error ) being a lightsabre bearing Sith. I didn't even make an opening statement.

Revan's fate, IMHO, should be fighting the "battle of belief" Kreia spoke of. She said Crude Matter, from droids to machines to soldiers even, are merely things "we" test ourselves against. That suggests to me, there is some higher/different plane stuff going on here. How one puts that into a game? haven't a clue. So, everything depends on what this "war of belief" is. Of course, most likely, that dialogue was put in to add some drama rather than as a reflection of reality. Assuming Kreia is a drama queen, than Revan is using her/his superior tactics and all that, to hamper/destroy/convert/whatever the "true" Sith. If Kreia's statements are acurate, Revan's battle is psychological and spiritual rather than physical. Story wise, i much prefer the latter. Game wise, it pretty much has to be the former (unless it is taken in the Final Fantasy "inside the beast", or any other on the list of hugely disappointing plot uncoveries where the "other/higher" plane is the same as physical reality but in blue ). I must say, though, i never understood why this obsession with taking over the galaxy at any cost. If ya gotta slaughter everyone to do it, then who is left to rule? Or if all your enemies are subdued and all is in order under your control, what then? Isn't that like finishing the game? (Assuming the game actually is finished " .) But that lends credence to the Revan killing him/herself at the end of it all, doesn't it? Took over the "true" Sith, too easy to conquer everyone else... sepukku

yeah, that drove me nuts. I replayed that Sith base numerous times to re-check if i missed the Sith evidence. I thought he was gettin' at a conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy type of deal. But maybe that the Rodian (forgot his name too :"> ) planted the medal was the mystery guy's way of giving Revan a lead to help defend Sunny and increase the chances of an "innocent due to lack of evidence" ruling which would indicate he may be one of the numerous Republic spies mentioned by the embassy head cheese (forgot his name too :"> ). Or it could have come from cut material , or the mystery man was just messin' with Revan's head.

"I'd love to know what's going on in that shifty mind of yours"