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That is you and not me and let me tell you something Lare, there are more people like me who want the DM client at release than there are people like you who finds buying an incomplete game satisfactory. Delay the game til Christmas so the whole thing can be released at once. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are there? Prove it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hahaha, that post is awesome. It's all because of the lure of the game!

No, it's not. That would be the case if you found out the DM Client was missing after you bought it. In this case, you have been told up front that the steering wheel isn't there. Don't buy it until a steering wheel is there.

And you got pissed at me for putting words in your mouth...

Horrible analogy. UT2K4 single player is designed with bots to simulate an offline multiplayer experience. The point of the game is MP gaming, as that's why most people buy it. You'd be better off reversing it, and saying that UT2K4 should remove the SP part of the game and keep the MP part. In any case, I am curious how many people actually use the DM client. I know lots of people play multiplayer (though I suspect that they are dwarfed by the number of people that play single player anyways), but do they actually play in DM games? Or are they just a vocal minority?

Fair enough. I'm still interested in what sort of capable gaming machine he can get for $400, unless the "upgrades" is one of those $400 video cards that are out now. To get a video card that will continue to play games for the 3-4 years (which is what he said initially), you'd have to plop down $400 on a video card alone right now.

You'd be surprised. In any case, build me a computer right now, preferably with links to the prices, that will last anywhere near 3-4 years that only costs $400. You said barebones PC with a decent processor. I'm assuming you're not going used (since you can get used consoles for insanely cheap too). So build me a computer that is a good gaming machine for $400.

I find guiness to dark to look like urine.

The Allies experienced the "baby boom" however.

Go Oilers Go!

From what I can tell, men don't need to have their heads shaved in the first place.

Hopefully it's the precursor to an announcement, and not a cancellation.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I may be tired tomorrow, but it was worth it. Excellent game all around. Very physical, and both teams had their fair share of chances, and goalies had some unbelievable saves!

Fixed. For a few hunder dollars, you get an eMachine. For a few hundred dollars, you can't even get you a video card that will last until the end of the XBOX 360's development cycle. For a few hundred dollars, you certainly aren't getting a motherboard and CPU to go with the video card you just bought. For a few hundred dollars, you can get a gaming system with static hardware that will have support for the next 5 years. Because, on the whole, PC gaming is much more expensive and has a miniscule installed base compared to console gaming. You should count your blessings that more people do not become PC gamers, otherwise your prices will rise. Or, you could buy a cheap computer to do the menial stuff, and a console, and STILL save money over any halfway decent gaming computer. And it will likely last longer to boot! If you shell out good money for a card, then you might as well buy a console. Because that Radeon X1900 XTX costs $600 as well. Given that the Radeon 9800 Pro came out 3 years ago, you paid a premium for it...likely the same cost as a console period. As for having your GeForce2 for "ages," I assume you mean 3 years...since they came out in 2000, 3 years before the Radeon 9800 Pro. Which, ironically, was also the same year that the PS2 was released. You are insisting that people buy $600 graphics cards, which, by your own standard you didn't even keep for the duration of the console (since PS2s are still around and can still be bought). In order to last as long as that console, you had to buy a whole new $600 video card 3 years ago. Given your penchant of buying video cards right when they come out, you have spent $1000+ dollars on video cards alone, let alone motherboards with the appropriate AGP/PCI-E support that are required, in addition to new processors, RAM upgrades, etc. Meanwhile, someone back in 2000 plopped down $400 for a PS2, and could still be using it.

I could see that Dominoing into WW3, especially if they are from different countries.

That's nice. Immature? How so? Beer tastes like ****. I'd much rather have a rye and coke or a screwdriver. Or most wines.

Meh.

What? ROFL!

I agree with Volourn on this one. Bioware's success is a testament to them making a game that people wanted to play. And it was an excellent game. All Bioware owes to people that bought PC games is that they support the PC games that were bought. You talk about consumer support, but this fails to realize that prior to Baldur's Gate, Bioware didn't have consumer support. And despite not having consumer support, they still sold a ton of copies of it. Yes a game needs customers to buy it to be successful, but generally games need some sort of quality to them in order for sales to be high enough to be successful. I doubt the Bioware fans would continue to support Bioware if Bioware started making crappy PC games. Companies don't come out of no where and maintain a high profile and be recognized for quality games and maintain a loyal fanbase simply by releasing products. They get (and stay) there by releasing quality products. While I disagree about Volourn on how successful Jade Empire truly was in the eyes of Bioware and Microsoft, I would not be the least bit surprised if their expectations were not as high as they were for KOTOR and NWN. All that "hell of a lot more stuff" that you can do with a PC can be done without the power of a gaming PC. I sure as hell don't need a Radeon 9800 Pro to type this message to you. And few PC owners are going to use high end PC graphics for that high end video editing that just needs to be done. So yes, I can grasp that the PC can do more. I can also grasp that the vast majority of these extra things used by the average joe could be done on a $300 eMachine. The funny thing is that the price argument is actually a reflection of the market not being as strong. If there was enough demand to charge the same for the Windows version of Call of Duty 2, then they would charge it. And the accelerated rate of the price dropping (games like Half-Life would disagree however) means that demand drops off that much faster. But considering that, to have a PC adequately play games for the next 5 years, you aren't going to be buying a $100 video card. In 5 years, the $600 Radeon X1900 XTX might still be usable, but forgive me if I reserve my judgement that it will run the new games particularly well. My old card before my 9800 Pro was the Radeon 8500, which is nothing more than a paperweight now, given it doesn't support any of the new shader models, and was completely incapable of running a game like Far Cry. Not bad for something that cost me $300 3 years ago.

Dammit! Stop showing me up!

Unless you have any idea how far away I am from a place that sells computer games, you can't possibly state how long it takes for me to bike to any place, so it's moot. As for corrupted downloads, sounds like a personal problem. I've never had a "click something to proceed" that popped up in the middle of a download either. I used to download 100MB+ demos when I was on dialup overnight. I think you're just trying to find additional reasons that only occur under extreme circumstances because you have already decided that DD is not for you (which I never had a problem with). Yes. I know. Which is why I'd rather he not have to survive on a slam dunk. I'd rather he did not have to put his team under extreme pressure to get IWD2 out the door simply because they desperately need money because their previous games (which I loved) were not huge sellers. I'm well aware of the fact that they had to go for "slam-dunks" just to get the possibility of making their own IP (which many are already convinced is vapourware). It has little to do with what I said though. What? Absolutely no profit? What? I think there's a language barrier here. And no, it doesn't surprise me that a good game sells well. As for the retail price +10% for the online purchase, I guess I'll just agree to disagree. Especially considering all the work you did to show that the prices were typically the same. You're missing the point. Publisher X opted to support Crap Game Y over potentially new Idea Z because he knew Crap Game Y would make him more money, but wasn't sure if New Idea Z would. The problem here (and this is even in the words of developers, such as Will Wright which you brought up) is that New Idea Z never gets a chance. The whole point of DD, as you have even conceded, is that you don't need to sell as much to make a profit. The higher ROI means that historically marginal titles (like pretty much all the BIS PC games) become economically viable. New Idea Z has a greater potential for turning a profit, that it becomes less risky for creditors (whomever they may be) to help finance a project. It's about supporting innovation. Which is why I said that selling a digital copy of it is no different than selling a retail copy. No ****ing **** sherlock. I'm not saying that you should either. Just like I didn't buy Counterstrike (a game I played a ton) when the retail version came out because I already owned Half-Life, I'm not going to fault you for not buying a game you already have. Besides, you were asking why someone would pay $25 for the retail version, when you can get UT2K4 for $20. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the Retail Red Orchestra has additional content in some way shape or form. This argument though is totally non sequitor, and accomplishes nothing. I never said that someone should buy a $25 game if they can get that same game for $20.

Ah yes, I always forget the rentals.

You do know that multiple accounts aren't actually that uncommon right? Disagree. As a PC fan, I think that anyone that thinks that the PC as a gaming machine compares in any way cost wise is just trying to convince themselves of the fact. Console gaming is cheap and it is easy.

Must...get...new....computer....first...

I'm a PC gamer first too Mus, and even then I can understand the appeal of the console platform.