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I think the Exile is the Sith'ari, or Chosen One for the Sith, like Anakin was Chosen One of the Jedi Key words there are "most likely" at the end, and Anakin really didn't rise up against the Sith (unless I'm mistaken), and he didn't make them stronger than ever, either, since only a few FS were around at that time.

I think that when the Exile meets Revan, Revan will be seen among the true Sith, where the Exile will either fight Revan (LS) or join him (DS). I'm not sure whether or not this will be either halfway through the game or at the end yet, though. I think it would be symbolic to see Revan hold a red and blue lightsaber in each hand (and maybe even more to see his hand cut off holding one of the lightsabers, be it the red one or blue one). Maybe later on in the day I'll compile my KOTOR 3 thoughts and place them in that thread...

Hmmm, I thought it had always been like that. I stand corrected. I think that right before she dies, when she mentions of the Exile's future, I think she somehow saved her, however slightly it may be, and when she killed her, she adds her power to the Exile in a manner similar to how Obi-Wan transferred his to Luke when he committed suicide at the hands of Darth Vader on the Death Star. I think even Sion cares about the Exile at the end (I'm speaking from the LS female perspective here [dunno about the male]) as he doesn't want her heading towards Kreia, fearing she will turn the Exile into another version of himself, and he even admits that she's "beautful to him" . I think the Exile's future is pretty well written in the Korriban tomb and in Kreia's visions. And it makes it appear like KOTOR III is going to be as dark as ROTS...

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I think the Force Bond wouldn't have mattered then anyway because defeating Darth Traya was then the Exile's destiny, just like any other Sith relationship, even though the Exile wasn't a Sith (LS) "Always two there are

I think the Exile would win because the Exile's stronger, as both Revan and the Exile defied the wishes of the Council and went to war against the Sith. Revan went to the land of nowhere, and the Exile returned to the Council to take responsibility for what happened. As I mentioned in another thread, I consider Revan to be another Jedi exile under those circumstances, and because of the Exile's trials since the banishment from the Jedi Order, it almost makes Revan (I know I'm gonna get ripped apart for saying this) a coward as he went off to where no one could find him.

And what would they have done if they had succeeded in stripping the Exile once again? It would have been back to "Well we need to think about this, we need to meditate on this and not act on such impulse..." while the Sith take planet after planet. I'm beginning to wonder if the Big 3 came across Revan, they would consider Revan to be another Jedi exile because he did the same thing the Exile did, go to war against the Council, only he never came back to take responsibility for his actions like the Exile did. Instead, Revan went to the land of nowhere to go hunt down the "true Sith", ditching T3, Bastila, and the Ebon Hawk.

If he can't drain the Exile because it's his other half, then why does he send Visas out to kill you? And if it was the Exile's other half, then how come very little happens to the Exile once Nihilus is vanished? If the two were products of each other, then wouldn't something a bit more dramatic have happened? (OK, we can chalk that up to cut content, but still...) I do agree that Nihilus is a white mask and a black cape and a lightsaber. Nothing more, nothing less. Remember Visas doesn't necessarily see things the way we do. She sees things through the Force, which may or may not be different from seeing things with your own eyes. And kind of a side topic - I wish we could have been able to equip that mask

I honestly think they were somehow tainted by the Dark Side by the time they were brought together in the Jedi Enclave

Yeah, like some Jedi who was hiding on Alderaan would have been able to deflect the Death Star's firing beam when it went off

Yeah, seeing them die in the Enclave made it seem like you couldn't win either way you went as the Jedi died out. I think Vrook's kind of the same way, since he does the majority of the talking in the Rebuilt Jedi Enclave, while Kavar and Ell just stand there in total agreement, giving the Exile her fate...

Since we're talking about screenies... Latest one I churned out

See, we could have a fun game of Hanharr chasing Jedi Sentinel Mira

Oh yeah, that reminds me of my booby-trap that I set for Nihilus when Visas and the Exile were incapacitated and Mandalore was a ranged character. The moron headed right for my mine line and blew himself up

One of these days there'll prolly be a Star Wars: Cantina Casino game where all you do is walk into some cantina and play card games with other patrons and win lotsa cash

Well, the way LA has created the universe, you'd be toast against a Jedi opponent ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's why I said non-Jedi enemies.... A lot of the EU novels deal with antagonists that aren't Force sensitives. Why can't a SW RPG be based upon that kind of idea? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess because using the Force is more fun, and everyone wants to be a Jedi...

Do you think the Jedi Masters are as much the enemy as the Sith? From the "Farewell to Arms" incident where the Exile becomes just that to where he or she (I'll use she for the remainder of this post) brings the "Big 3" back to Dantooine at the Rebuilt Jedi Enclave, they've seemed to be as much as the enemy. They don't want her around because she's a "wound in the Force" and she "might lead the Sith to them"; the Sith don't want her around because she's a Jedi, and I almost seem to receive the impression that the Jedi Masters are as much the enemy as they are. An argument could be made for the one who kinda feels sorry for her afterwards (I can't recall her name atm [Lonna Vash? or it might've been Kavar. Like I said ICR]). On Dantooine, would things have changed if Vash and Atris had been present as well? Who knows, but I doubt it. The Big 3 would still have claimed she was a wound in the Force, the one who felt sorry for her would've stuck by her side now, and Atris, well, she would probably become the wildcard factor and eventually side with the Big 3. Could it be that the Jedi Masters fell to the Dark Side on Dantooine and not realized it? Had they been blinded by it to not realize what she did by claiming responsibility for her actions on Malachor V, admitting she could walk away from the Force only to return to it as a stronger individual, and reunite them in an effort to stop the Sith, something none of the 5 could say they were able to do? They were the ones who stood from afar watching the Jedi and Mandalorians slay the heck outta each other on Malachor V. As the visions of Atton and company mentioned: "Apathy is death". Perhaps those 3 words carry the most powerful message throughout the entire event from the start of the JCW to the reunion on Dantooine. If they did fall to the Dark Side, then the next question would be "When did they fall?" I almost want to say the Big 3 fell at the Rebuilt Jedi Enclave, where perhaps Sion, Nihilus, or (though I doubt it) Kreia touched them in some way. Regarding how her partners did everything she did and told them to do without question... It was something I didn't think of until they mentioned it at the end. At Peragus, they all simply wanted to get off that newly-formed wasteland. On Telos, we see that Kreia forces Atton to do so (at first at least [i think in the end it was more out of love, something I don't think Kreia predicted]), while Bao-Dur follows a general like any other soldier. Visas is forced by Nihilus to do so. Mandalore does so under his own free will, along with the Disciple, Mira and the others. (We'll leave the droids out of this because they're programmed to be like that [and weren't who the Jedi Masters were talking about]). Again, would things have changed if they all had joined the Exile in her meeting with the Jedi Masters on Dantooine? I think it would have though the outcome would have still been the same (like HK-47 wanting to blast the Jedi Masters to pieces using his highly modified blaster rifle, and each of her friends saying they chose to follow her by their own free will).

Added on: Handmaiden: So you're saying... Kreia: I am your mother Handmaiden: That's impossible! Kreia cuts off Handmaiden's hand with a swift slash of the lightsaber Kreia: Come, join the Dark Side. We'll kill the Exile and the Sith will rule the galaxy Handmaiden: Nooooooooo!!!! Handmaiden kills Kreia with a lightsaber strike. What she doesn't realize is the Exile then dies too because they're bio-linked

Actually, that's avoidable

I actually thought afterwards would be better, since you'd have an added challenge trying to fight Mira since she could use her Force powers on you, and you lack Jedi abilities. Imagine while you're trying to fight her, she would Force Push you, knocking you flat on your butt only to get up to dodge a lightsaber swing.

Atton and female LS Exile make the best couple in II, and I never played 1, so...

IIRC Mira can spare Hanharr at Malachor, so he would still be alive and he would still want the redhead dead

While I know you're joking, I think a bounty hunter side story such as the Mira/Hanharr one would have made a pretty cool expansion disk or add on. Maybe another 10 hours of game play where you play as either Hanharr or Mira and travel to different worlds acting as a bounty hunter. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you're Mira I want her to be the FS post-KOTOR II Mira

How about this: In KOTOR III you are Hanharr and the whole game you are trying to kill Mira, who sports a green lightsaber and her rocket-launcher wrist. You travel to places like Kashyyyk and Nar Shaddaa and Alderaan. The game could feature two endings: If you die in the final fight against Mira, she goes on and continues her activities, saving the lives of so many people. If you kill Mira, your life-debt is over and you collect on her bounty (since she is a Jedi), and Hanharr becomes a feared and celebrated bounty hunter.

It's good, though it isn't what it used to be