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No you are right. A picture of a Russian agent personally handing her a suitcase full of cash and audio of her ordering the murder of Seth Rich or even Vince Foster would change nothing. Those that are for her will convince themselves it isn't true. And even if they did believe it that wouldn't make Trump a better candidate than he already is. Those who are for her will still be for her and those against will still be against.

The entertainment never ends: http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/02/wednesday-hillary-clinton-done-reports-julian-assange-s-announcement-tuesday-will-finish?ref=yfp If all he's got is further confirmation of crap we already suspected this will do far less damage than he thinks.

yes, but behind the scenes that show the brave frontier explorers and defenders of the peace, the federation is a totalitarian state. there is evidence of it scattered throughout the various series and films https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqx9XVRYP4

Another endorsement for Johnson. This time from the Boston Globe's political columnist: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/09/30/character-matters-electing-either-clinton-trump-would-moral-disaster/DFUra308mm5PWC1s7HHTfI/story.html

shady is asking to get messed up by an evil genie. star wars universe is our universe, no? is "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away," but is same universe, yes? and star trek in 2016 is a few years before impending ww3, no? HA! Good Fun! So if it's Star Wars you're a long time dead. And if it's Star Trek you'll be dead shortly, or living under the rule of Khan Nonnien Singh. Tough choice. Well if it's the latter I hope is the Ricardo Montablan version and not whoever that jackass in that awful movie was. But to address Shady's question seriously I'd choose Star Trek. All the Star Wars movies I've seen was ruled by a huge oppressive government. One was a dysfunctional representative republic, the other a monarchical dictatorship. One had a bunch of hippies in brown shirts as "above the law enforcers" the other had storm-troopers led by a man in black that killed people indiscriminately. Neither sounds appealing. Now the United Federation sounds like a pretty sweet place to live. No money, replicators to give you whatever you want, all this "we work to better ourselves" crap. That sounds to me like I don't need a job. I can fish and play Stellaris & PoE all day. See? It wasn't such a hard choice!

to be fair, the President doesn't do most o' the things people on these boards wishes them to do. a libertarian President w/o party support is gonna be very much limited to international affairs if he wants to accomplish anything. johnson got almost 0 support in Congress, which is only slight better than trump who gots the antagonism o' a substantial portion o' his own party. actual Constitutional powers o' the President is limited insofar as domestic affairs is concerned, and johnson don't seem a particular enlightened choice for Leader of the Free World. better than trump? perhaps, but only by a smidgen. from our pov, gd support o' a libertarian candidate for President is bass ackwards. if you want local and national adoption o' libertarian values, then start by getting more libertarian state and national senators and representatives. a libertarian President w/o party support in Congress or an overwhelming mandate from the people is gonna be resulting in an impotent executive. most folks on these boards appear confused. they seem to want a Trump Congress or a Johnson Congress. is a basic and fundamental lack o' awareness 'bout what the President does in our federal government. our President is not the leader o' the controlling party o' parliament. *shrug* trump doesn't appear to have any grasp o' what a President can and cannot do...not to mention the fact that he has alienated many minority groups, women and environmentalists. oh, and we still ain't seen his taxes. when we imagine our ideal President for 2016, we conjure up the image o' divisive huckster with impulse control issues. not. alternatively, johnson is startling unaware 'bout the world beyond US borders, so let's give him control o' the largest military on earth and have him deal with china and the middle east? clinton is mendacious and skeevy. am not liking clinton, but she is the only candidate that will have any kinda Congressional support. none o' the candidates is gonna be able to manhandle the Senate into confirmation o' extreme choices for the Court, so replacements is gonna be political inoffensive judges with impeccable qualifications, but we can understand the fear o' those who see an increasing liberal Court as a reason to vote 'gainst clinton. yeah, if we were buying a used car, johnson is the guy we would feel most comfortable with as the seller. that ain't enough. HA! Good Fun! Yeah I've hit a few of these points repeatedly over the last 8 threads. There was never a serious shot at Johnson winning the vote outright. Even if he got into the debates the best he could hope for is maybe... MAYBE getting his home state or perhaps an outside shot at winning Utah. That might... MIGHT have been enough to deny Clinton & Trump 270 if the rest of the election fell out favorably. Then he might... MIGHT have an outside shot in the House of Representatives as a compromise candidate. It would be like needing both the Turn and River cards to draw to an inside straight in three consecutive hands. Longshot does not do it justice. But what he can do and has done is elevate the brand. In a previous post I described 3rd party Presidential bids as "hail mary" passes. They are an enormous undertaking. As a party member I am aware of the lengths they went to to secure ballot access in all 50 states & DC. It was a long and expensive undertaking. The problem is it leaves little in the way of assets to support Congressional candidates. And there are some 200 Libertarian candidates for Congress this year across the US. Having a Presidential candidate on the top of the ballot does help with that. But not as much as having the cash to help the campaigns and a lot of that is expended on ballot access. If Gary Johnson can win at least 5% of the vote this year the 2020 candidate will automatically be on the ballot. And the LP will be eligible for federal election assistance. That means more assets for campaign support in 2018 & 2020. So far this campaign has been a huge success. Johnson has raised more money that any LP candidate. He has been endorsed by 6 major newspapers and a handful of celebrity types. It's October and we are actually talking about the Libertarian ticket. That has not happened... ever that I can remember. Granted this is not 100% on his merits. The embarrassing choices of the two major parties has helped. But this is an opportunity to advance the brand and I think it's bring seized. If Johnson captures the magic number of 5% this will be a success. If he does better and one of those 200 candidates for Federal office is elected this will be an unqualified success. If that happens and Clinton wins the Presidency and the Republicans retain Congress I'll be happy. If this happens and Trump wins and the Democrats capture at least one House of Congress I'll be happy. One thing that has been proven is the Libertarian message is being heard by Millennials and Active Duty Military. That is where we should be recruiting candidates. That is where we need to spend the next four years advertising. I know you think the "hail mary" is backwards and it is. But the LP is not a movement. It's a political party and a political party needs a face, it needs a leader. By November 8th most of the country will have heard of Gary Johnson and beacuse of him the LP. But without him in the race no one would have heard of Paul Stanton, a twice wounded Iraq vet running for Senate in Florida. No one will hear about Mark West, Chis Hynes, or Steve Issacson all running for different House seats in Arkansas. You get the idea.There are close to 3k LP members serving in elected office right now. But none at the Federal level. If we get one... just one it will make the news. But only because Johnson mounted a credible challenge this year. We have had some success before and were unable to exploit it. But the LP is different now. The Harry Browne "burn the whole thing down" wing is out of power. The "little L's" are in control. I roll my eyes when I hear someone tell me I'm "wasting my vote". In 2012 close to 118,000,000 votes were cast in 2012. Obama got close to 66M, Romney close to 61. Three million votes taken from both spread out across the country would have changed nothing. But if a 3rd party got those it WOULD have changed 2016. If you think of it that way a vote for Johnson/Weld is the only "productive" vote I can cast.

Until the day comes and the government decides the terrorist is YOU!

Hmmm the former sounds like it requires my attention. The latter... not so much

It's alright WoD. You are the flip side of the same coin as the Hillary supporters. You are all in favor a giant all powerful government as long as it oppresses the people you want it to oppress, punishes who you want punished and denies freedom to those you don't think should have it. Just like the Democrats only with different targets. I've been inclined to support the Republicans myself in the past because they are pro-liberty and pro-small government more often than not. But not all the time. Not even close to all the time. One day I realized that wasn't good enough.

Gotcha... being governor or a State for eight years does not qualify someone to be President. I'll let George W Bush, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton know next time I see them. I'm sure Ronald Reagan, Franklin Roosevelt and a few others will want to hear it to.

To all my Republican leaning friends out there:

Well infidelity does not disqualify someone from being President. Even a nasty personality does not. Franklin Pierce makes Trump look like a nice guy by comparison and he got elected. My biggest complaint with Trump is 1) No relevant experience. 2) Does not seem to have a clue what the President does and can and can't do and 3) Doesn't even seem to know what HE is going to do aside from rounding up Mexicans, building walls, and bombing the s--t out of ISIS. 4) None of thse three things are particularly good ideas by the way.

I've been playing Stellaris since I rolled out of bed this morning. I think it's safe to say I'm addicted. But it's just that good. The level of detail is better than any 4X game I've ever played. I'm kicking myself now for not buying the Nova edition and getting the exclusive Spider race.

Bruce, it seems I have finally driven this point home to you. In my opinion, and not just mine, please read the text of the Chicago Tribune I posted, Both Trump and Clinton are EQUALLY unacceptable, There is nothing positive I can say about either of them. Neither is fit to be the President of the United States and anyone who actually CARES about the health and prosperity of the country will vote for someone else.

OK, this is huge. It's YUUUGGEE. The Chicago Tribune has become the 6th Newspaper to endorse Gary Johnson. But this is big. This is the third largest news organization in the country. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-gary-johnson-president-endorsement-edit-1002-20160930-story.html

1% of posters (me) wants Trump to win to see the rivers of liberal tears flowing through memes and American Universities. Well, there is always that. I must admit it would be pretty funny. At least until he's inaugurated and actually started doing stuff.

I was working from home today. It started out ok but I took a break and played Stellaris for just a few minutes. Next thing you know it was dark outside.

So, if I may allow me to summarize the last three pages. 48% of posters think Hillary sucks but at least she isn't Donald Trump 47% of posters think Trump sucks but at least he isn't Hillary Clinton 2% of posters think Hillary is awesome, should be made President for life and obviously every negative story about her must be just a right wing conspiracy. 1% of posters are going on about lost causes and that Johnson guy. 1% of posters believes the world is ending and we should be prepared to watch it burn (that's YOU KP!) 1% of posters not longer give a damn. Oh, and 100% secretly with this was just hurry up and be over.

I'm not an ideological purist. I could live with a "Liberpublican" party as long as is was at least 60-70% libertarian. As Reagan said I'd rather get most of what I want than none of it. But I disagree that a third party cannot become viable. It's been said that every face on Mt. Rushmore was a third party candidate and it's basically true. But what third parties have failed to do is capitalize on success. Far too many of the "third" parties rely on "hail mary" passes. Meaning they run for President and that is it. There are some 3k Libertarians in elected office in the US. There are less than 100 Green Party and none of any other. Johnson had done a lot to advance the brand this time. He should hit the magic number of 5% of the vote to set up a 2020 bid. But what MUST happen is to get LP candidates in Congress. That should be the primary focus of the party for the next four years now that ballot access is assured (hopefully). It is not necessary to win to advance the cause. A viable candidate in the center would pull the Republicans and Democrats away from the partisan fringes they live on now. The USA would be better off if the religious right and socialist left had less influence and a viable third party can do that. We have had the same electoral system since 1788 and we have had third party Presidents and a number of credible bids. We can do it again now.

I'd agree there has been a lot of speculation on what she might have done over the years but she DID lie about her e-mail server to Congress & the FBI and everyone else. She DID lie about the attack on the embassy in Libya. She DID lie about numerous career achievements over the years. As for the e-mail sever we do not an cannot know her motive but either she was, as the FBI says "extremely reckless", or was hiding things from Congress and FOI. It can only be one of those two and either way is bad. Even if I were not philosophically opposed to her in nearly everything all of that would be enough for me to not vote for her.

I got started here complaining about the hatchet job of KOTOR II. I was around on BIS but I wasn't real active.

No doubt about it, the long knives are out now: http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/09/29/dems-new-strategy-discredit-gary-johnson-win-millennials/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/politics/gary-johnson-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/ http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/09/bill_weld_clinton_camp_planted_rumors_of_libertarian_collapse Well, I look at it this way. A man may be judged by the quality if his enemies. The love of liberty and human freedom does not abide in the hearts of the American Left. And the policy of the US Democrat party is to look at American citizens as nothing more than livestock to be managed with no free will of their own. If they are trying to tear Gary Johnson down then he is doing something right. And this argument is wearing really thin: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/28/obama_a_vote_for_a_third-party_candidate_is_a_vote_for_trump_if_you_dont_vote_thats_a_vote_for_trump.html Barack Obama says a vote for Johnson or Stein is really a vote for Trump. Newsweek agrees: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-09-28/a-vote-for-gary-johnson-or-jill-stein-is-a-vote-for-donald-trump. Curiously Sean Hannity tells us the opposite, Why is it so hard to fathom why so many people find either choice equally intolerable? If it all came down to me right now and I was asked to choose between the Orange Cloud of Death or the Tyrant in a Pantsuit I honestly could not tell you which I'd choose. I'd probably ask to think about it for the next four years. Anyway speaking of charities this is my new pet cause (no pun intended) : http://ofsds.org/index.html. I made a donation to them yesterday. If you are looking for a cause worthy of your hard earned I recommend this one. I'd send the link to Trump but he does not do charity apparently.

Come on? You honestly cant name a leader you respect....I can mention many leaders I know you would respect ? I did. Didn't you read what I wrote? Oh sorry, I assumed you were joking as I meant to say Turnbull doesn't count because everyone knows Australia isn't really a fair representation of a normal country because of how the original immigrants to Oz were criminals and how they massacred the aborigines plus the Australians send all there new arrivals to a island hell hole where sexual abuse is rampant http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/11/489659844/australias-immigration-minister-plays-down-claims-of-abuse-on-refugee-island Are you f-----g serious? Do you honestly believe anyone alive in Australia today is in any way responsible for acts done before their grandparents were even born? By that logic YOU bear culpability for apartheid even though it was instituted long before you were born and you opposed it. Yeah I'm joking about everything except the island ....thats true and a disgrace Gotcha.