Manty5 19 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) I've been looking through the build archives, and some of the builds favor offensive scroll use: Like The Engineer using Sunder and Scon Mica's Roar to debuff the enemy before a barrage of missiles, or the Wizard's Apprentice to use a thief's hit to crit conversion and deathblows to amp the damage. But against a target that you haven't stacked 2 deathblow-qualifying debuffs on, wouldn't a Paladin do even better? You'd have to get someone else to drop the DR like a cipher, but a paladin applying Sworn enemy and FoD'd Scon Mica's Roar would practically guarantee every pellet at least hits, giving you the full -30 debuff to all defenses, on top of the +20 accuracy Sworn enemy already gives. Following that up with a missile scroll barrage would be a critfest. So while a scroll-thief would probably do better DPS-wise on a single target, a paladin would be comparable damage AND get all the other nice party-based things that paladins bring to the table. Or maybe there's a problem with this idea that I don't know about. For example, would a paladin's high INT extend the disorienting effect or not? Edited March 21, 2018 by Manty5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MountainTiger 160 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I think the main reason those are the scroll builds here is that Boeroer liked the concepts. Assuming the Goldpact Knight and Bleak Walker on-kill procs work with scrolls, you could get a lot more out of them than a conventional build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hansvedic 32 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I think the main reason those are the scroll builds here is that Boeroer liked the concepts. Assuming the Goldpact Knight and Bleak Walker on-kill procs work with scrolls, you could get a lot more out of them than a conventional build. Did you mean the Kind Wayfarers & Bleak Walkers on-kill procs? I don't think the Goldpact Knights have an on-kill proc (in PoE 1 at least). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MountainTiger 160 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Yeah, Kind Wayfarers, not Goldpact Knights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elric Galad 1,149 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 It is basically the reason behind this build, except it is mostly about items instead of scrolls :https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89995-class-build-counselor-ploi-charming-paladin-supporter-tank/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boeroer 15,189 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Scon Mica's Roar doesn't reduce enemies' defenses by -30. Disorienting no longer stacks, so it's just -5. The best scroll user in terms of accuracy is a fighter (30 starting + 20 from Disciplined Barrage) or a rogue in terms of damage (Deathblows + Deep Wounds). Paladins are good against one single target with Sworn Enemy. 2 Quote Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to post Share on other sites
Torm51 526 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Ya I read this wrong lol Edited March 23, 2018 by Torm51 Quote Have gun will travel. Link to post Share on other sites
Boeroer 15,189 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 That's not really a scroll. 1 Quote Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to post Share on other sites
Manty5 19 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Scon Mica's Roar doesn't reduce enemies' defenses by -30. Disorienting no longer stacks, so it's just -5. The best scroll user in terms of accuracy is a fighter (30 starting + 20 from Disciplined Barrage) or a rogue in terms of damage (Deathblows + Deep Wounds). Paladins are good against one single target with Sworn Enemy. Thanks for letting me know. I was just trusting the main post in The Engineer build. So a paladin scroll-user would be mostly doing it for the on-kill procs, so that you don't have to move to the enemy you're about to kill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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