Here are a few video I took to display their synergy behavior, I wonder if any devs can take a look and value if this is an issue or not!

 

1) Cleave stance + Swift Flurry. Cleave attacks can trigger itself if a Cleave attack killed an enemy.

 

 

2) Cleave stance + Citzal's Lance. Citzal's Lance does AOE damage to nearby enemy, so will every cleave attack be an AOE attack?

 

 

3) Blast + Swift Flurry + Discipline Strike. This is an old issue existed in last patch, but it is still doable with Blast + Swift Flurry + Discipline Strike.

 

 

Any thoughts?

Edited January 12, 20188 yr by dunehunter

I think it’s pretty damn kewl XD

I think it’s pretty damn kewl XD

 

Yeah it is pretty cool, but a Citzal's Lance + Cleave stance is like a passive version of PoE 1 Barbarian Carnage + Heart of Fury. I think the designers changed carnage mechanism to avoid similar cheesy combo. 

 

I think cleave should be changed to a cone instead of aoe, and cleave attack should not trigger itself.

I still don't get why they changed the Lance and Blast to work like PoE's Carnage. Especially because they changed PoE's Carnage in Deadfire to avoid such things.

 

Also: prevent Swift Flurry's and Cleave Stance's additional attacks to trigger themselves. Also prevent Swift Flurry attacks to trigger Cleave Stance and vice versa. You simply need a flag for every attack, like "isBonus" if it's from Swift Flurry or Cleave Stance and then do a simple "if (attack->isBonus) {//no no execute this attack}" or whatever. Should be simple.

Edited January 12, 20188 yr by Boeroer

I agree—my “kewl” comment was tongue-in-cheek

Any chance this issue can be looked or addressed?

Im in agreement. These strats are always cool when I see them.

 

That being said, I'll pass the info along and see if its how the designers want it

 

You the best,

 

-Caleb

It totally breaks the game. Nobody in their right mind can want this.

It's ridiculous how even single overpowered cleave stance is at current state.

 

When you can't deal one by one with all mobs - just gather them all, pick the weakest and then boom - all mobs are dead.

 

Using this feature with Barbarian / Fighter class - extremely powerful versus 1+ enemies.

 

Cleaving stance with other things affecting on radius, damage and more attack triggers just bonkers.

I don't even know is there any reason to play melee class in so slow paced combat (recovery 3+ seconds after each swing) other way than using such momentum and explode all enemies at once.

It's ridiculous how even single overpowered cleave stance is at current state.

 

When you can't deal one by one with all mobs - just gather them all, pick the weakest and then boom - all mobs are dead.

 

Using this feature with Barbarian / Fighter class - extremely powerful versus 1+ enemies.

 

Cleaving stance with other things affecting on radius, damage and more attack triggers just bonkers.

I don't even know is there any reason to play melee class in so slow paced combat (recovery 3+ seconds after each swing) other way than using such momentum and explode all enemies at once.

 

Yeah thats why D&D rules deal very carefully with Cleaving. In Pathfinder rules, Cleave can only attack one additional enemy, while Greater Cleave can hit extra enemy only if u hit not miss. So anyway there should be some strict rules to any abilities giving extra hits.

It totally breaks the game. Nobody in their right mind can want this.

We want it! We want it all, and MOAR!!!