Rosbjerg Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Heh. BitterGertrude - This is not going to go the way you think: the last jedi is as subversive af It’s not enough to destroy the old order from without. The Last Jedi demands that we examine our own complicity in the corruption of the old ways. Poe’s belief that all problems can be solved by shooting something down is shown as dangerous when unchecked; it’s the same toxic masculinity wielded by Kylo Ren, and a mainstay of war culture. The film indicts war culture and toxic masculinity throughout. Leia slaps and demotes Poe for sacrificing lives to bring down a dreadnought instead of escaping as ordered (“dead heroes. And no leaders”). Later, after his failed mutiny, she tells him that Holdo was more interested in “saving the light rather than looking like a hero.” But nowhere is the struggle against our own complicity with war culture more prominent than when Benicio Del Toro’s amoral DJ reveals to Finn and Rose that the “worst people in the galaxy”– the wealthy arms dealers who congregate at the Canto Bight casino– make their money selling weapons to both the First Order and the Resistance. This was kinda my take of the movie as well - but I don't agree with the feminist perspective. Rather I'd say it was humanist.. I didn't see it point specifically at 'masculinity', as there are more than enough violent women in the movies as well (Rey is very violent), I'd rather say it criticized the unreflected impulse for violence and the use of it as a tool in and on itself. Something that is prevalent in war and situations of distress - I saw it as a rather classic Hollywood anti-war 'Beware not to stare into the abyss'. Like we've seen from many of Lucas and JJ Abrams icons like Kubrick. The finale with Luke being the embodiment of the pseudo-Christian symbolism - that violence and dark impulses are only defeated with perseverance and non-violence. Had Luke met violence with violence, he would've lost. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 For another viewpoint... Admiral Holdo wasn't a feminist, she was just a bad leader "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Funny reading that caption about St. Mattis recalling the situation with Dowdy Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bET74_BkiRU&t=168[/size] Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Oh boy. I'm sure it's unintentionally hilarious but I'm not going to sit through a 22 minute Info Wars video with a guy talking like the love child of Bonnie Tyler and Kermit. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 So far highlights are QE2 being a Nazi, something about trying to get women to be cannon fodder soldiers so the machines can take over, Chinese dominance and Carrie Fisher maybe being assassinated to increase profits. What's funny is how it starts off sort of ok, then goes off the rails. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 So far highlights are QE2 being a Nazi, something about trying to get women to be cannon fodder soldiers so the machines can take over, Chinese dominance and Carrie Fisher maybe being assassinated to increase profits. What's funny is how it starts off sort of ok, then goes off the rails. Hm, when you put it that way... *starts watching* No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bET74_BkiRU&t=168[/size] 2 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Well... I'm not sure what my takeaway is from that. Edited January 5, 2018 by Raithe 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Alex Jones 2020! 3 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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