Oerwinde Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) CBC projecting Liberal Majority. Leading in 189 ridings. Not bad considering they were all but declared dead after the last election. What happened the last election? A scandal or just good 'ole voter's fatigue?Jack Layton happened. Michael Ignatieff was Liberal leader and the conservatives were successful in defining him as not really Canadian, as he lived and worked in the US before becoming an MP, then he turned out to be terrible in the debates. Layton, the leader of the NDP was running a fantastic campaign and was nailing the debates, then his big moment, he brought up house attendance, with himself voting in every house vote, Harper voting in 60%, and Ignatieff voting in 40%, and he quipped "Mr. Ignatieff, usually when someone wants a promotion, they actually show up for work." that began what people referred to as the "Orange Crush" as the NDP colour was orange. Their numbers skyrocketted and they ended up crushing the Bloc in Quebec, and either won or cause enough vote splitting to get Conservative mps elected resulting in like 18 Liberal seats. It was the biggest win in NDP history and they became official opposition for the first time in party history. Sadly shortly after Layton took a leave of absence as he had been diagnosed with cancer, and like 3 months later he died. Even though his party never got into power he was constantly ranked at the top of people's choice for PM and was such a beloved figure he got a state funeral despite that usually being reserved for PMs and former PMs. The Liberals previous leader Stephane Dion was also quite uncharismatic despite being a capable MP and had been successfully defined by the cons as weak and indecisive. Before that was Paul Martin who was finance minister during the sponsorship scandal and took all the blame for that leading to the first Harper minority. The sponsorship scandal had to do with the federal sponsorship program enacted after the last Quebec referendum to raise the federal profile in quebec. Federal funds were supposed to go to private projects in Quebec to show that Quebec was a valued member of confederation and to reduce quebec nationalism. What happened instead is millions of dollars went to friends of quebec mps for little to no work. Paul Martin was exonerated in the inquiry into the scandal, but the damage was done. Edited October 20, 2015 by Oerwinde The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Personally I don't get why the Liberals got hammered on 300 million in mispent funds, yet the Conservatives got a free pass on straight up losing 3 billion in defence spending (was budgeted, wasn't spent, but no one could trace what happened to it), or spending 35 billion on jets that a) Don't have engines, and b) even with the engines won't work in the arctic, which is one of the main reasons we need new jets. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 They didn't get a free pass. Just the other aprties were worse at the time. Now people want a change (even though nothing will change). 10 years in charge is enough anyways. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Trudeau told Obama today that he would be pulling Canadian jets from Iraq and Syria. He also took questions from the press in the national press gallery. That hasn't happened in 7 years. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Trudeau told Obama today that he would be pulling Canadian jets from Iraq and Syria. He also took questions from the press in the national press gallery. That hasn't happened in 7 years. What !!! Why would he do that...doesn't he want to part of the international military coalition in the ME And if Canada gets attacked by extremists linked to ISIS is he now going to ask for USA assistance? Its a slippery slope Trudeau walks.....we all need to do our part "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Canada is weak enough that the campaign against ISIS half assed or not won't suffer 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Canada is weak enough that the campaign against ISIS half assed or not won't suffer Good point raised...its just more of symbolic consideration if you think about what its saying " Hi World, I'm the new Canadian PM and I'm pulling Canada out of the multinational force that is fighting a global, ostensibly, threat which happens to be ISIS " The truth is I don't believe ISIS is a global threat but it has been positioned that way so the expectations from certain countries is the same "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Oh and Bruce, this will make you happy. Trudeau vowed his cabinet will be made up by half women, despite women only making up about a quarter of liberal MPs.(they ran more than that but a lot were defeated) Edited October 21, 2015 by Oerwinde 2 The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Oh and Bruce, this will make you happy. Trudeau vowed his cabinet will be made up by half women, despite women only making up about a quarter of liberal MPs.(they ran more than that but a lot were defeated) That's funny....how is he going to do that ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Oh and Bruce, this will make you happy. Trudeau vowed his cabinet will be made up by half women, despite women only making up about a quarter of liberal MPs.(they ran more than that but a lot were defeated) That's funny....how is he going to do that ? Well a quarter of 184 mps is still quite a few, and Harper had the largest cabinet of any pm ever with like 30 positions. Trudeau likely won't have as large of a cabinet, so he'll probably only need like 10 or so, but he'll likely have to gloss over some much more qualified male candidates to do it. Trudeau spent most of yesterday morning shaking hands, taking photos and speaking directly to people in a montreal metro station. So he meets directly with people of all types, and has an open relationship with the press. So far a total 180 from Harper's vetted events and 5 question limit with no follow ups. The openness pledge from his platform is in full swing already Edited October 21, 2015 by Oerwinde 1 The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 L0L Trudeau isn't about action. He's about words. He'll speak lots but won't accomplish much. I guarabntee you my life with not change one bit with him in power depsite that I'm in his 'demographic'. Just another sexist racist nazi. That is what he is. He does not believe in true equality. He doesn't believe in true human rights. He is just like Harper. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Proper STV is a great system, us going for mixed member proportional instead when we switched from first past the post was a horrible decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Proper STV is a great system, us going for mixed member proportional instead when we switched from first past the post was a horrible decision. STV means you still get the stability of a majority government every once in a while, without MPs being elected with 25% of the vote, so I'm game The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Our new PM being AWESOME. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rostere Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 So if the Liberals switch the electoral system to STV which is what looks likely, Harper may be the last conservative Prime Minister, and the Greens might make significant gains in BC Cool, congratulations! Shows that good things can happen. STV is IMO not the best voting system, but close enough that it doesn't matter. "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Stephane Dion (previous Liberal Leader and all-around hardworking MP) came up with a proposal he called P3, for Proportional, Preferential, Personalized. Basically his system would have larger ridings with multiple MPs. Each party would supply the list of candidates for each riding, and you would rank both the party and the candidates. This way each party would get the proportion of the seats in that riding that they gained, and the candidates put forward for that proportion were chosen by the voters rather than the party. This would allow for independent candidates to get seats if they were ranked higher than candidates in a party. He's a big federalist Quebecer too. When Quebec argued that if they voted to separate, their territorial integrity couldn't be sacrificed (Quebec the Province couldn't be broken up when it became Quebec the country). This was after people argued that since large swaths of Quebec, such as the north, and southwest voted overwhelmingly against succession (in the 70% range), that those parts should be allowed to remain part of Canda. Quebec used some UN decision on territorial integrity not being able to be broken based on a small amount of the population. Dion argued if that was the case, just over half of Quebec shouldn't be able to make a decision on the territorial integrity of Canada, and since like 60% of Quebec's territory was granted by an act of Canadian parliament, they could easily revoke that act of parliament and strip them down to their original boundaries. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rostere Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Stephane Dion (previous Liberal Leader and all-around hardworking MP) came up with a proposal he called P3, for Proportional, Preferential, Personalized. Basically his system would have larger ridings with multiple MPs. Each party would supply the list of candidates for each riding, and you would rank both the party and the candidates. This way each party would get the proportion of the seats in that riding that they gained, and the candidates put forward for that proportion were chosen by the voters rather than the party. This would allow for independent candidates to get seats if they were ranked higher than candidates in a party. Sounds good, the fact that you can rank party candidates in your vote I think is very important. If I'm to nitpick I still think that the thinking of electing X MPs from district ("riding" in this case) Y is flawed, though. What if you hand out voting cards based on which part of the country you live in (with people being allowed to use voting cards from any other place), but number of seats allotted to each party is decided instead by percentage of national vote? After which MPs for each party are elected based on their number of "personal votes" from their respective party lists, in descending order. This would alleviate the need for ordering different parties on your vote. "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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