Veynn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I'm quite curious about the construction of the Godhammer Bomb. What was is made of? Gunpowder? Magic? A mixture of both? And how explosive was this bomb? Was it like a car-bomb? An atomic-nuclear level explosion? I know Waidwen was just a vessel, so he is just flesh. But since he got possesed by a god, I'm sure he must have gained god-like strength and power to defend himself from gunshots and spells. If this bomb could kill a god, then it must be a mother******* big-ass bomb. Edited April 10, 2015 by Veynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen Rohk Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well, it did take 12 people to control...I'm of the impression it was along the lines of a small thermo-nucelear detonation. Clarke's 3rd law and all that. 1 You read my post. You have been eaten by a grue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'd like to have quest about building a Godhammer or similar bomb in future expansions and sequels. It's quite interesting to know what does it take to put down a higher power using only mortal ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapscallion Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 IIRC the Dozens laced an area (was it a bridge?) with special gunpowder and lured Waidwen there. They even loosened and sharpened the rocks in the walls so they would tear into him like a fragmentation grenade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Durance implies that their hate for Eothas, and their belief in Magran, also went into the bomb when they constructed it. I got the idea that it was somehow powered in part by their souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnyxIdol Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Let's not forget we don't actually have any clue as to how powerful the "gods" really are. Sure they mess around with souls a lot, but other than that it's not all that defined imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinapuff Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I'm quite curious about the construction of the Godhammer Bomb. What was is made of? Gunpowder? Magic? A mixture of both? And how explosive was this bomb? Was it like a car-bomb? An atomic-nuclear level explosion? I know Waidwen was just a vessel, so he is just flesh. But since he got possesed by a god, I'm sure he must have gained god-like strength and power to defend himself from gunshots and spells. If this bomb could kill a god, then it must be a mother******* big-ass bomb. What was it made of? Did you not talk to durance? They all forged staves with runes - injected this with their beliefs and asked / prayed for the power to kill Waidwen the mortal man. This culminates in meeting the saint on a bridge and smiting him with everything they have, uncaring or unknowing that such an act would tear apart or use their very souls for fuel. It's very implied that the runes on the staff are that of the dozen, which basically is giving the staff carte blanche to consume and tear atthe souls of all twelve, while also functioning as a channel or funnel for their collective wills (all directed at Waidwen). It is up to the player what exactly Magran intended for the dozen there. You can speculate that she wanted them dead so that knowledge such as this would not be easily discovered again, or if she merely needed them to slap Waidwen around abit and hadn't thought they'd actually go so far as to actually destroy themselves so thoroughly in their zeal. T_T Edited April 10, 2015 by Dinapuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 She gave them the knowledge of how to do this, knowing what would happen--that it would tear apart and destroy both Waidwen, the soul inhabiting Waidwen (Eothos), and the souls of the Dozen as well. She wouldn't have to worry about the knowledge getting out; the problem was self-correcting.Only Durance's unique personality has allowed him to survive so long without being consumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 If I remember, Kana said the people who created the bomb asked for the Rauatai's assistance on the matter. So that means it also has to do with science like military stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I found this on the Collector's Book The Dyrwoodans had constructed and placed a massive bomb inside the stonework of an ancient bridge (Evon Dewr Bridge) leading to the citadel gates. They also warned and swore to the Readcerans that Waidwen could never cross the bridge, trusting that his ultimate confi- dence would lead him directly over it. This was exactly what happened, and the resulting explosion apparently destroyed Waidwen, half a regiment of Readceran knights, and about a dozen Dyrwoodans who sacrificed themselves to stall the saint on the bridge. The Godhammer was the most potentially devastating force ever created by mortals. No one knew if it would work, much less if it was capable of defeating a god made flesh. It took the form of a metal sphere, twelve feet in diameter, full of volatile explosive reactants. Builders theorized that it would unleash more destruction than a fully-grown drake’s breath by an exponential margin. What’s more, the secrets of assembling the bomb were not held with any individual involved in its creation. The technology could not be reproduced, which meant that Dyrwood had one chance to save itself. The blast went off at an unprecedented scale, sending up a cloud of ash and shaking the foundations of the citadel. Edited April 10, 2015 by Veynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong. So there's the Dozen men and women. And also there's a dozen in the shadow which Durance was part of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkathellar Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong. So there's the Dozen men and women. And also there's a dozen in the shadow which Durance was part of? Pretty sure Durance says otherwise - their presence was part of the magic worked on the bridge. The Godhammer was a sympathetic weapon, with spiritual ties to Eothas, Waidwen, and the bomb's builders. If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 I wish there was a cutscene about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthyic Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 She gave them the knowledge of how to do this, knowing what would happen--that it would tear apart and destroy both Waidwen, the soul inhabiting Waidwen (Eothos), and the souls of the Dozen as well. She wouldn't have to worry about the knowledge getting out; the problem was self-correcting. Only Durance's unique personality has allowed him to survive so long without being consumed. Hence his not so subtle name... enDurance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEngeven Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If I remember, Kana said the people who created the bomb asked for the Rauatai's assistance on the matter. So that means it also has to do with science like military stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure you are wrong. I think it's more like biased narrator's are involved. If you have both Kana and Durance, one of the banters they have is Kana mentioning this and Durance challenging Rauatai's involvement. Given its effects on Durance's soul, I'm assuming it's not a purely mortal weapon. Furthermore, I doubt even Durance fully understands what's actually involved with the process. I'm sure there will be further revelations in the future, regarding whether Eothas is truly dead or "mostly dead"/nature of "gods"/etc. The beauty of PoE is that there is still so much to be explored still/there isn't really an "ultimate truth" just shades of truth as determined by the speakers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkathellar Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 She gave them the knowledge of how to do this, knowing what would happen--that it would tear apart and destroy both Waidwen, the soul inhabiting Waidwen (Eothos), and the souls of the Dozen as well. She wouldn't have to worry about the knowledge getting out; the problem was self-correcting. Only Durance's unique personality has allowed him to survive so long without being consumed. Hence his not so subtle name... enDurance... "Durance" was actually Middle English for "imprisonment or confinement." Considering he was written by Avellone, and his NPCs are usually angsty, I'm sure that was on purpose. If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthyic Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 whether Eothas is truly dead or "mostly dead" Does Miracle Max exist in this world? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEngeven Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 whether Eothas is truly dead or "mostly dead" Does Miracle Max exist in this world? Just rewatched the Princess Bride a couple days ago so I couldn't resist the reference. I half-wonder if one of the bigger f*** you's Durance could level against Magran would be to be the architect of Eothas' revival. Also, after watching that video, I imagine Durance taking the place of Miracle Max and being infinitely more ornery and sassy towards the Watcher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naevius Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It is a good starting point for a sequel - we know there is a weapon that can kill gods, and we even know where a piece of it is. Maybe we get to whack a few more of them in the future. I'm coming for you, Hylea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 "Tonight, the gods will choke on their own whips." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestigma Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 "It took the form of a metal sphere, twelve feet in diameter, full of volatile explosive reactants. Builders theorized that it would unleash more destruction than a fully-grown drake’s breath by an exponential margin." By that description it sounds a lot closer to a sizable car-bomb than a tactical nuke (and primarily chemical/alchemical based). No reason to think that this wouldn't kill a "god made flesh" just as well. It would be enough to destroy anything biological for sure, and we don't really have any measure of what level of defense a god-avatar would have anyway. I think it's enough to conclude that it was an attack with a power of an order of magnitude above anything else available in the setting. Within the setting that seems more than sufficient and plausible enough. -Stigma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 It also killed half a regiment of knights. A regiment has 1000-2000 men. Let's say IF Waidwen's army has 1000 men, and 500 of them also got killed by the Godhammer Bomb then, it must be a powerful bomb. 500 deaths is still quite a lot. These knights are also probably wearing armor. It also depend how cramped up they are during the explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lychnidos Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 There are tow dozens. The 7 men and 5 women that hold up Waidwen and his knights on the bridge, which all are naturally dead; and the twelve priests of Magran that build the bomb, of which Durance is the only one alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthyic Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 a sizable car-bomb um... a fertiilzer bomb in a van took out an entire 10 story government building in Oklahoma once upon a time. that was for reals. not even involving magic/spirit/whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veynn Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 a sizable car-bomb um... a fertiilzer bomb in a van took out an entire 10 story government building in Oklahoma once upon a time. that was for reals. not even involving magic/spirit/whatever. I agree. This is also a car bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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