Should discussion about The Poem be ... censored?

[Nerdwing]

Nice feelings you've got there...

 

FEELINGS THAT A BIG BABY WOULD HAVE, THAT IS!

[MLMII]

 

 

 

 

Could you give an example of someone who isn't a bigot and who refers to people as unnatural?

 a lot of people on the social justice side do this with fetishes they do not tolerate. Like pedophilia. Something you can not do anything about it as well.  Its your sexual orientation and it should not be a crime unless people get hurt by it.  Thats the biggest example

 

If I see someone do that I'll call them a bigot too, so that's not much of a counterexample.

 

 

 

And with the defense of pedophilia you just crossed the line of no longer being worth my time.

 

 

Holy cow, are people so oblivious to their own bigotry that they don't understand that calling someone else's behavior, as long as it does no harm to others, unnatural is..... wait for it.....bigotry?

 

Don't answer that, because it's a rhetorical question, of course they're that oblivious.

 

A behavior doesn't NEED to be found in nature to be considered "natural," and what is natural doesn't always mean it's moral.

 

Case in point, hitting up Netflix after a hard day's work at Google is, by all accounts, not found in nature, but is by all means, a perfectly natural and acceptable behavior (it's not immoral).

 

A male having sex with another male, something found in nature all the time, is also perfectly natural and acceptable.

 

Actually no, calling something unnatural or even using a pronoun that you don't agree with is insulting, insensitive, and quite frankly ... just plain rude ... but doesn't rise to the level of bigotry on its face.

 

So if you're calling someone else's perfectly ok behavior (that is, it does no harm to others) unnatural, that's pretty bigoted.

 

Just like before interracial marriage was legally allowed (and for quite some time after), the same bigots screamed at how unnatural it was.

 

Now they're screaming about how homosexuality is unnatural (the irony is unfortunately lost on them).

 

 

*sighs* You know I remember when words used to actually mean things ... calling for people to tolerate people with different sexual orientations (Sadly I now need to add a disclaimer about informed consent considering that we actually have someone willing to defend pedophilia.) is a laudable endeavor that I haven't seen anyone actually argue against here. On the other hand the SJWs have sadly forgotten that tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance and have decided that it's somehow appropriate to use the label of bigotry at the first sign that someone may disagree with them and are so hypersensitive that anything less then total acceptance of the SJW's cause is considered evidence.

[Namutree]

Wow. You're part of the problem. I didn't hurt anyone, all I said is two men having sex is not what nature intended, seeing as how that does not reproduce. I guess we all need a little biology refresher.

Nature does not have intentions, and the results are not any indicator as to whether or not something is natural. I think you are confusing nature with productivity.

 

 

 

Yeah, communism. You're trying to force me or shame me because of my personal views. It's soft liberal, progressive type of communism, but yeah, not cool.

 

It isn't communism at all. That's a really bizarre sentiment.

[MLMII]

 

Wow. You're part of the problem. I didn't hurt anyone, all I said is two men having sex is not what nature intended, seeing as how that does not reproduce. I guess we all need a little biology refresher.

Nature does not have intentions, and the results are not any indicator as to whether or not something is natural. I think you are confusing nature with productivity.

 

 

 

Yeah, communism. You're trying to force me or shame me because of my personal views. It's soft liberal, progressive type of communism, but yeah, not cool.

 

It isn't communism at all. That's a really bizarre sentiment.

 

 

Although I could be mistaken I believe that the proper term for what Striker meant is cultural Marxism (Probably sans the tinfoil hat baggage.), although it's actually more akin to the fabled "Rules for Radicals" at least as they are understood on the Right. (I understand that Leftists don't view them in the same negative light.) 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

Wow. You're part of the problem. I didn't hurt anyone, all I said is two men having sex is not what nature intended, seeing as how that does not reproduce. I guess we all need a little biology refresher.

Nature does not have intentions, and the results are not any indicator as to whether or not something is natural. I think you are confusing nature with productivity.  

Yeah, communism. You're trying to force me or shame me because of my personal views. It's soft liberal, progressive type of communism, but yeah, not cool.

 

It isn't communism at all. That's a really bizarre sentiment.

 Although I could be mistaken I believe that the proper term for what Striker meant is cultural Marxism (Probably sans the tinfoil hat baggage.), although it's actually more akin to the fabled "Rules for Radicals" at least as they are understood on the Right. (I understand that Leftists don't view them in the same negative light.)

Most communists I've had the pleasure of talking to hate the Frankfurt school because it's pretentious bollocks. Could be that they tend to be some flavor of libertarian socialist, rather than authoritarian marxism-leninism or third world fetishization maoism.

 

It should be noted that leftist ideologies tend to splinter easily and come up with lots of names. No idea why that is.

[MLMII]

My personal theory is that it has more to do with Utopianism then anything else.

[Serdan]

 

And with the defense of pedophilia you just crossed the line of no longer being worth my time.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

"Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder"

 

Paedophiles are not at fault for their condition and deserve to be treated fairly. As a group they are at very high risk of suicide due to their difficulty with having a functional sex-life and in extreme cases it is an outright impossibility. On top of that they are vilified by society as a whole. Whatever his morals, Darji is completely right when he points out that many otherwise progressive people will fail on this issue.

To be clear: You will never see me defend child-abusers. If you are unable to distinguish between the condition of being attracted to children and the act of abusing children (something that does not require you to be a paedophile) then that is your problem, not mine.

 

I will defend and show compassion for any who suffer through no fault of their own, whatever the cause of that suffering, and let the condemnations of ignorant fools be damned.

[Nerdwing]

 

 

I will defend and show compassion for any who suffer through no fault of their own, whatever the cause of that suffering, and let the condemnations of ignorant fools be damned.

 

 

Ok, please feel free.  But did you ever consider there are avenues to go about this task that arent internet forums for kickstarter driven RPGs?

 

Some of them may actually yield a tangible effect on society.

 

Or you could keep on truckin' on a kickstarter driven RPG forum.  Its like training-wheels for social activists, I guess?

Edited April 12, 2015 by Nerdwing

[MLMII]

 

Calling someone's behavior unnatural has quite the negative connotation - it does not simply mean "not found in nature" (again, the irony is completely lost to them). It has a negative connotation because it implies that a person is disturbed and uncomfortable with the behavior, even if the behavior does absolutely no harm to anyone.

 

Hence, bigots screaming about interracial marriage (and now teh gays) being "unnatural" is, in fact, quite bigoted.

 

Being a hypocritical, heterosexual hating bigot yourself, it's no wonder you're vomiting out this pile of idiotic bullcrap.

 

 

 

Ok, this is the same pot/kettle nonsense that I was originally talking about. Do you have any actual evidence that achaye raises to actual bigotry towards straights?

[BruceVC]

 

 

No, but I don't recall anyone being called unnatural; I recall an activity being called unnatural.

I was waiting for you to engage in such useless pedantry.

What you fail to comprehend is that this isn't just some academic discussion or a few people being "hypersensitive".

Real people are being harmed by bigotry, so when I see someone perpetuate such bigotry I will call them out on it. Your insistence that doing so is somehow wrong unless I can prove with absolute certainty that they actually engage in bigotry is utter bs. As I have already stated, my prior for Sriker being genuine can be found somewhere in the region of the asthenosphere. If Striker convinced me otherwise I would apologize, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

 

 

Could you give an example of someone who isn't a bigot and who refers to people as unnatural?

a lot of people on the social justice side do this with fetishes they do not tolerate. Like pedophilia. Something you can not do anything about it as well. Its your sexual orientation and it should not be a crime unless people get hurt by it. Thats the biggest example

If I see someone do that I'll call them a bigot too, so that's not much of a counterexample.

 

 

I read the thread that you linked to earlier and saw your reaction to people referring to Erika with the male pronoun and in this thread you are arguing that it's somehow reasonable to make an assumption that people are bigots if they use insensitive but nonhateful language. At best that is hypersensitivity and at worse it is simply using a label to group people whom you disagree with as "the lesser", which is would be actually rather ironic if you stop and think about it.

Do you think my reaction was unreasonable? If so, why?

According to my experience it is a very strong predictor of bigotry when someone refers to people as unnatural. Do you have any meaningful answers to this?

 

Yes I can actually, although for the most part their names wouldn't mean anything to you. Hells, until I see actual evidence of bigotry from the people using it here I'd also say that they probably qualify as well. Saying something is "unnatural" is simply an insensitive way of denoting that the speaker is uncomfortable with something and does not raise to the level of bigotry. Remember that tolerance is not the same as acceptance.

How convenient.

Do you deny that calling homosexuals, or intimacy between homosexuals, unnatural is rhetoric used by people who are actively engaged in abridging the rights of homosexuals?

Wow. You're part of the problem. I didn't hurt anyone, all I said is two men having sex is not what nature intended, seeing as how that does not reproduce. I guess we all need a little biology refresher.

 

A man's **** is inserted in a woman's vagina (which feels great by the way) and then he will ejaculate **** filled with sperm to fertilize her eggs up in the ovaries. This will then begin the process of growning a fetus to reproduce the spieces.

 

One man, and one woman are required. And it's awesome and beautiful. Two men... Doing whatever, will not result in reproduction, and I find it very unnattactive and unpleasant. Wich is my right. But as stated above, I could care less. I don't tell people what to do with their junk.

 

 

Dude seriously, I'm not sure what the relevance of saying "nature didn't intend us to be gay " 

 

Its irrelevant to the discussion considering all the things mankind has done and learnt outside of how nature functions

 

For me the only time someone would say that is if they are using it as form of homophobia ...so maybe just be honest and say " I have a problem with gay people " then we can unpack your train of thought further 

[Ted Striker]

 

Wow. You're part of the problem. I didn't hurt anyone, all I said is two men having sex is not what nature intended, seeing as how that does not reproduce. I guess we all need a little biology refresher.

 

A man's **** is inserted in a woman's vagina (which feels great by the way) and then he will ejaculate **** filled with sperm to fertilize her eggs up in the ovaries. This will then begin the process of growning a fetus to reproduce the spieces.

 

One man, and one woman are required. And it's awesome and beautiful. Two men... Doing whatever, will not result in reproduction, and I find it very unnattactive and unpleasant. Wich is my right. But as stated above, I could care less. I don't tell people what to do with their junk.

 

• I'm not the one perpetuating bigotry.
• Nature has intentions now? Did nature intent for humans to use the internet? You'd better go live in a cave or on a deserted island, if nature's intentions mean so much to you.
• So you never use protection and you don't want your partner to use birth control? Lovely.

 

Yeah, communism. You're trying to force me or shame me because of my personal views. It's soft liberal, progressive type of communism, but yeah, not cool.

You should probably just shut up. Just Sayin' ; ) you're gettin on my nerves.

 

I find the bull**** coming out of your mouth offensive. My feelings are hurt!

 

 

You are trying to force me to shut up! Fascist!

 

But seriously, does your ignorance know no bounds?

 

You're a massive BIGOT. You're a disgusting fiend that's spewing hate. It's dripping from your being, and we all see it. It's what you feed off of, and it's what's occurring now. You have no respect for my views and you slander me based on who I truely am. **** you, I've got no more use for conversation with the likes of you. 

 

I don't hate homosexuals, or blacks or browns or anyone based on COLOR, CREED, RACE, RELIGION. I love people based on their actions and their realities. And yes, I will look down on people based on their disgusting, destructive behavior. But I'm a lover, I'm a sinner, I'm a fighter. But I'll be God Damned is some bitch off the internets is gonna call me a "bigot". I'm the first son of a bitch you want in your corner. I love everyone, and you can kiss my ass. Gays are welcome! I don't care. 

[Bulivyf]

 

 

And with the defense of pedophilia you just crossed the line of no longer being worth my time.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

"Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder"

 

Paedophiles are not at fault for their condition and deserve to be treated fairly. As a group they are at very high risk of suicide due to their difficulty with having a functional sex-life and in extreme cases it is an outright impossibility. On top of that they are vilified by society as a whole. Whatever his morals, Darji is completely right when he points out that many otherwise progressive people will fail on this issue.

To be clear: You will never see me defend child-abusers. If you are unable to distinguish between the condition of being attracted to children and the act of abusing children (something that does not require you to be a paedophile) then that is your problem, not mine.

 

I will defend and show compassion for any who suffer through no fault of their own, whatever the cause of that suffering, and let the condemnations of ignorant fools be damned.

 

 

I sort of agree with this, and I see what you're trying to say, but people will call you an uninformed bigot etc. for saying transsexualism is a mental disorder. I'll also never defend someone who abuses a child, but, at the same time I can be empathetic to someone experiencing something out of their control, some chemical imbalance in their brain that tells them that this is what they are. I feel empathy for transsexuals as well, it seems tortorous to be trapped in a body that mentally you don't identify with, it's a complete genetic desynchronization.

 

It is true though, I've seen it first hand. Progressives are pushing an agenda of total acceptance no matter what, even if it infringes on the rights of another person. The big stink was raised because transsexuals claim that the limerick is exactly the type of joke that contributes to a society where transsexuals are beaten or murdered by sexual partners after they find out their true gender. Uhhh... okay? How about you give mutual respect to your potential sexual partner before the act and allow them the freedom of choice.

[Serdan]

Ok, please feel free.  But did you ever consider there are avenues to go about this task that arent internet forums for kickstarter driven RPGs?

 

Some of them may actually yield a tangible effect on society.

 

Or you could keep on truckin' on a kickstarter driven RPG forum.  Its like training-wheels for social activists, I guess?

 

Take your patronising bs and shove it.

If the bigots hadn't shown up in force I would never have touched any social issues, but I guess you think bigotry should pass without remark.

[Nerdwing]

 

Ok, please feel free.  But did you ever consider there are avenues to go about this task that arent internet forums for kickstarter driven RPGs?

 

Some of them may actually yield a tangible effect on society.

 

Or you could keep on truckin' on a kickstarter driven RPG forum.  Its like training-wheels for social activists, I guess?

 

Take your patronising bs and shove it.

If the bigots hadn't shown up in force I would never have touched any social issues, but I guess you think bigotry should pass without remark.

 

Update your Tumblr with how my post made you feel please.  The end-effect is the same as your posting here.  Someone triggering your bigot-radar means nil if it just boils down to fueling a ridiculous internet debate that shouldnt have been given form in the first place.

Edited April 12, 2015 by Nerdwing

[Ted Striker]

 

Ok, please feel free.  But did you ever consider there are avenues to go about this task that arent internet forums for kickstarter driven RPGs?

 

Some of them may actually yield a tangible effect on society.

 

Or you could keep on truckin' on a kickstarter driven RPG forum.  Its like training-wheels for social activists, I guess?

 

Take your patronising bs and shove it.

If the bigots hadn't shown up in force I would never have touched any social issues, but I guess you think bigotry should pass without remark.

 

Again, you're slashing people who have a right to their opinion. In all reality, you're the true "Politically Correct" Bigot. You're a tool, or a mouth piece for the "Soft core Communist" propaganda machine. 

[Nerdwing]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhd04kpFIH7rM551PX

 

Explain this, Serdan.

 

Bulivyf here is just another Dark Souls fan looking for his next fix.  Give it a rest, kid.

Edited April 12, 2015 by Nerdwing

[BruceVC]

 

 

Ok, please feel free.  But did you ever consider there are avenues to go about this task that arent internet forums for kickstarter driven RPGs?

 

Some of them may actually yield a tangible effect on society.

 

Or you could keep on truckin' on a kickstarter driven RPG forum.  Its like training-wheels for social activists, I guess?

 

Take your patronising bs and shove it.

If the bigots hadn't shown up in force I would never have touched any social issues, but I guess you think bigotry should pass without remark.

 

Again, you're slashing people who have a right to their opinion. In all reality, you're the true "Politically Correct" Bigot. You're a tool, or a mouth piece for the "Soft core Communist" propaganda machine. 

 

 

Come one lets try to be reasonable, I known these discussions get personal and people tend to get vituperative but Serdan is definitely not a bigot ...its obvious he is the complete opposite and has been defending gay rights 

 

I also tend to get annoyed with people in some debates and say things I don't mean so I'm not acting better than anyone and more mature...I have been there and do exactly the same thing. It doesn't make it right though

[Serdan]

You're a massive BIGOT. You're a disgusting fiend that's spewing hate. It's dripping from your being, and we all see it. It's what you feed off of, and it's what's occurring now. You have no respect for my views and you slander me based on who I truely am. **** you, I've got no more use for conversation with the likes of you. 

 

I don't hate homosexuals, or blacks or browns or anyone based on COLOR, CREED, RACE, RELIGION. I love people based on their actions and their realities. And yes, I will look down on people based on their disgusting, destructive behavior. But I'm a lover, I'm a sinner, I'm a fighter. But I'll be God Damned is some bitch off the internets is gonna call me a "bigot". I'm the first son of a bitch you want in your corner. I love everyone, and you can kiss my ass. Gays are welcome! I don't care. 

 

 

I'm sorry for calling you a bigot.

 

Referring to homosexuals, or intimacy between homosexuals, as unnatural perpetuates bigotry (which does not necessarily mean that the one doing it is a bigot).

If you feel so strongly about it maybe... you should not do that.

I don't know where you live, but you are likely aware that homosexuals are persecuted in many parts of the world. In some nations they are in danger of being executed, simply for being who they are. Those who advocate for the marginalisation and murder of homosexuals use the same kind of language as you. Do you see the problem? Do you understand why someone might react strongly to that?

 

 

 

Update your Tumblr with how my post made you feel please.  The end-effect is the same as your posting here.  Someone triggering your bigot-radar means nil if it just boils down to fueling a ridiculous internet debate that shouldnt have been given form in the first place.

 

So you're just trolling. Gotcha.

[Serdan]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhd04kpFIH7rM551PX

 

Explain this, Serdan.

I have no idea what you think I need to explain about that.

[MLMII]

Umm .... ok, just a couple of things to point out ... in order to find the video in question you need to go to the actual you-tube page and click on the link in the description there. Secondly, let me warn people that fighting in short-shorts creates some definite NOT WORKPLACE SAFE footage.

[FaustianEchoes]

Did some transexuals get mad or something?

Edited April 12, 2015 by Rosbjerg

[Serdan]

Umm .... ok, just a couple of things to point out ... in order to find the video in question you need to go to the actual you-tube page and click on the link in the description there. Secondly, let me warn people that fighting in short-shorts creates some definite NOT WORKPLACE SAFE footage.

It didn't show up for me in Firefox, but IE worked fine.

[Nerdwing]

Did some transexuals get mad or something?

Yes, and their leader Serdan is here to dispense justice

[Serdan]

 

Let's try again: What is it you think I should explain about that video?

[FaustianEchoes]

Serdan would you be on this crusade if the poem had been about waking up next to an ugly ass woman?