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[Leferd]

Baskeball season is starting in two weeks.

 

Here are the various Las Vegas lines on the regular season:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24743449/odds-future-scouting-the-nba-season-overunder-win-totals

 

SEASON WIN TOTALS OVER/UNDERS
SPORTSBOOK.COM/ THEGREEK.COM/ BOVADA.LV/ WESTGATE
Atlanta Hawks 42 41.5 41 40.5
Boston Celtics 26.5 26.5 26.5 26.5
Brooklyn Nets 42 41.5 41.5 41.5
Charlotte Hornets 45.5 45 45 45.5
Chicago Bulls 55.5 55 54.5 55.5
Cleveland Cavaliers 59 59 58.5 58.5
Dallas Mavericks 50 49 49.5 49.5
Denver Nuggets 41.5 41.5 41.5 40.5
Detroit Pistons 36 36 35.5 36.5
Golden State Warriors 52 51.5 50.5 50.5
Houston Rockets 50.5 50.5 49.5 49.5
Indiana Pacers 34 33.5 33 32.5
Los Angeles Clippers 57 55 54.5 55.5
Los Angeles Lakers 31.5 33 32.5 31.5
Memphis Grizzlies 48.5 49 49 48.5
Miami Heat 43.5 43.5 44 43.5
Milwaukee Bucks 24.5 24.5 24 24.5
Minnesota Timberwolves 26 25.5 26.5 25.5
New Orleans Pelicans 43.5 44 43 41.5
New York Knicks 41 41 40.5 40.5
Oklahoma City Thunder 57.5 57.5 57.5 57.5
Orlando Magic 28.5 28 27.5 28.5
Philadelphia 76ers 16.5 17.5 15.5 15.5
Phoenix Suns 44.5 44 44 42.5
Portland Trail Blazers 49.5 49 49 48.5
Sacramento Kings 30 30 29.5 30.5
San Antonio Spurs 56.5 56.5 57 56.5
Toronto Raptors 49 48 48.5 49.5
Utah Jazz 26 25.5 24 25.5
Washington Wizards 49.5 49.5 50 49.5

 

The Odds:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24745237/odds-future-scouting-the-lines-for-the-nba-title-east-and-west

 

ODDS TO WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
SPORTSBOOK.COM/ THEGREEK.COM/ BOVADA.LV
Cleveland Cavaliers 3-1 3-2 5-2
San Antonio Spurs 4-1 7-2 4-1
Oklahoma City Thunder 13-2 13-2 11-2
Chicago Bulls 8-1 6-1 11-2
Los Angeles Clippers 11-1 12-1 10-1
Houston Rockets 25-1 15-1 20-1
Dallas Mavericks 30-1 40-1 20-1
Golden State Warriors 30-1 20-1 20-1
Washington Wizards 40-1 40-1 33-1
Portland Trail Blazers 50-1 25-1 40-1
Charlotte Hornets 60-1 50-1 66-1
Memphis Grizzlies 60-1 50-1 50-1
Miami Heat 60-1 50-1 50-1
New York Knicks 60-1 50-1 50-1
Toronto Raptors 60-1 60-1 50-1

 

ODDS TO WIN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE
SPORTSBOOK.COM/ THEGREEK.COM/ BOVADA.LV
Cleveland Cavaliers 20-21 4-5 4-5
Chicago Bulls 3-1 5-2 9-4
Washington Wizards 15-1 15-1 25-1
Miami Heat 20-1 20-1 25-1
Charlotte Hornets 25-1 20-1 25-1
Brooklyn Nets 30-1 30-1 28-1
New York Knicks 30-1 30-1 25-1
Toronto Raptors 30-1 30-1 20-1

 

ODDS TO WIN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE
SPORTSBOOK.COM/ THEGREEK.COM/ BOVADA.LV
San Antonio Spurs 5-2 5-2 9-4
Oklahoma City Thunder 3-1 3-1 5-2
Los Angeles Clippers 5-1 5-1 5-1
Houston Rockets 10-1 7-1 9-1
Golden State Warriors 12-1 12-1 10-1
Dallas Mavericks 15-1 20-1 10-1
Portland Trail Blazers 20-1 15-1 20-1
Memphis Grizzlies 30-1 30-1 25-1

 

CAVS are favored to win it all.  But at 3-2 to win the championship, those are terrible odds to take.

 

The Warriors, with an over/under at 50.5 and 12-1 to take the West, the smart VEGAS bet would be taking the over and putting them down on making the Finals. 12 -1?? I'd have to turn in my Degenerate Gambler Members Only card not to take them odds.

 

...These were calculated before the news about Durant missing 6-8 weeks due to a broken foot.

[ShadySands]

I'm curious about your (all you guys) thoughts on playing less games per season and/or shortening the length of the games 

[Volourn]

It's dumb. The season and game length is fine as is.

[Leferd]

They won't cut down from an 82 game season. Don't see ownership willing to give up game revenue. And 48 minutes is neither too long nor is the game itself too slow. The game has definitely improved since the '94-'04 deadball era.

 

On another note, Bill and Jalen are back!

 

http://grantland.com/2014-bill-and-jalen-nba-preview/

 

#30

 

http://youtu.be/bGSfpy7Zk-Q

 

That Simmons suspension was just silly. Caused a delay on the release of these videos.

[Keyrock]

So, is Steve Nash's career over?  For those that don't know, he's done for the season with back problems.  I mean, why come back if you're him?  What's the point?  He's already a multi-time league MVP.  He's not winning a championship in LA.  Why go through all the trouble to come back?  For what?

[Volourn]

One of the most overrated players of all time. Too bad about the injury but the guy has two underserved MVPs, and absolutely no championships, often has a bad attitude, poor work ethic, and is simply a non winner.

[Keyrock]

I'll always like Nash for the reason that he was an integral part of one of the most entertaining teams I've ever seen, the 7 Seconds Or Less Suns.  They may not have won any titles, but they sure were tons of fun to watch.

[Volourn]

They were a boring above average fake champion contenders. Seriously, Nash is not as good as people claim he is. MVP over O'Neal. LMAO

[Leferd]

They were a boring above average fake champion contenders. Seriously, Nash is not as good as people claim he is. MVP over O'Neal. LMAO

Why would Shaq deserve it more than Nash in 05?

 

The MVP is a regular season award and Nash was the best player on the best regular season team in the league. Phoenix won 62 games in a clearly tougher Western Conference compared to Shaq's Heat that won 59 games in the East.

[ShadySands]

Yes, Nash is done. I don't think he'll miss the entire season and try to come back at 41 next year

 

In fact the Lakers are done. They need to start focusing on the future because Kobe is out of his prime and not many people want to play along side him anyway

[Volourn]

"Why would Shaq deserve it more than Nash in 05?

The MVP is a regular season award and Nash was the best player on the best regular season team in the league. Phoenix won 62 games in a clearly tougher Western Conference compared to Shaq's Heat that won 59 games in the East."

 

No.

 

Shaq > Nash

[Leferd]

 

Shaq > Nash

Not in 05 or 06 he ain't.

[Volourn]

Yes, he was. Not even a contest. Nash wasn't even MVP of his own team. Nash is extrenely overrated but he gets away with it ebcause he is a 'nice white Kanadian boy' despite he has accomplished nothing that in the way of winning.  Someone like Carmelo Anthony gets trashed because he doesn't win but Nash gets away with it despite Anthony being the better player and has done nothing wrong either.

 

Nash and his supporters are hypocrites. They're probably the same people who bash others for not 'wining the big one' yet let Nash sldie by. Nash hasd one nothing but sit on the becnh for the last 2+ seasons. He is one of the BIG reasons why the Lakers have been a joke.Pathetic.

[Leferd]

Still, it can't be denied that he was the focal point for the #1 rated offenses (based on pts per 100 possessions) over a 10 year span from his Mavericks to Suns years and he made players around him more productive.

 

Can't speak for others but I don't take the number of rings a player has won as a major barometer of how good a player was. That being said, you're right though, Nash is overrated in some circles - but Shaq didn't deserve to win the 05 MVP over Nash either.

 

Big difference between Nash and Anthony. Carmelo gets the hate because he's an incessant chucker who hasn't played in very many good teams throughout his career. Nash has played in numerous contending teams that fell short of the finals.

 

Ironically though, Nash is pretty selfish. Don Nelson called him the best player he ever coached but would get on him to actually take more shots. But he refuses in order to protect his shooting percentages.

 

For a career .428 3pt%, he only averaged 3.2 trey attempts per game over his career. Which was a big reason why he had so many 50-40-90 seasons.

[Volourn]

No denying BNash is a very good player but as long as he has two MVp trophies on his mantle and too many people giving him blow jobs he wikll always be overrated. I just read an article stating that he was the 'most influential player' of his era. LMAO

[Leferd]

Dammit. Vegas got wise and now the Warriors are 6 to 1 to win the West. I liked it better when it was 12 to 1. Shouldn't have procrastinated with the bookie.

[Guard Dog]

Is it ok to not hate the Heat now? I just don't have the energy. Besides I'm too busy hating the Spurs & Thunder.

 

The Grizz got a win last night against the T-Wolves. I didn't see any of it because there was this baseball game on. I predicting a 50-55 win season and maybe a 2nd round playoff exit. But you never know. This is a team that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

[Hurlshort]

It is hard to hate the Spurs. They are a bunch of elderly guys winning on wisdom and cageyness. Plus they pass the ball like artists painting a canvass.

[Guard Dog]

It's very easy when they are whipping your team every year

[Volourn]

"They are a bunch of elderly guys"

 

Divine 'a  bunch'? Their Finals MVP is a young guy.

[Leferd]

Russell Westbrook out 4-6 weeks with a broken finger. Not the most auspicious start for OKC.

[Keyrock]

Russell Westbrook out 4-6 weeks with a broken finger. Not the most auspicious start for OKC.

Karma paying Clayton Bennett and Sam Presti back for being cheapskates and wasting several years of having 2 of the top 10 players in the league in their primes.  They got rid of Harden because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax (ironically, shortly after that the cap changed so they could have afforded to pay him and still not go into the tax) and they repeatedly either made no moves or settled for cheap bottom of the barrel guys rather than paying a higher tier guy and going into the tax to make a push for the title.  Their reward is likely going to be zero titles and getting to watch both KD and Russ leave for greener pastures when their contracts are up, which is very soon (why would either of those guys want to stay and play for cheapskates?).

[Keyrock]

Rose sprained his ankle in the last game.  It's not (thought to be at this time) a serious injury and he'll likely only miss a couple games, but this had to have made Bulls fans, who were likely already walking on pins and needles, all the more nervous.  It's been a horrible year for superstar injuries so far, and the season just started.

[Volourn]

CLE is not gonna win anything.  The two games just back up my theory that they have been overrated.  James has a bad game and they lose to a crap team. He has a great game and they beat a top team. It's not a coincidence.

[Leferd]

Cleveland is top heavy with a weak bench. Aside from Lebron and an aging Shawn Marion they don't have quality defenders and absolutely no rim protection. Still good enough for a top two seed in the East.