February 25, 201411 yr Author http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/uganda-tabloid-publishes-top-homosexuals-list-after-anti-gay-law-signing-1.2550260?cmp=fbtl So absurd it's actually kind of funny. Wonder if they have a Homosexual Watch List too, for travellers. I wish it was funny but its not. This is always the beginning of these types of draconian laws, first you legalize hate for a particular minority group. Then you mark or identify who the members of this group are. This empowers people to commit hate crimes against the targeted group without fear of persecution. Then you'll see systematic murders of activists and of the people who are being discriminated against Its the same modus operandi that the Nazi's used against the Jews "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 25, 201411 yr Hitler-card pulled. This thread is over! "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 25, 201411 yr I wish it was funny but its not. This is always the beginning of these types of draconian laws, first you legalize hate for a particular minority group. Then you mark or identify who the members of this group are. This empowers people to commit hate crimes against the targeted group without fear of persecution. Then you'll see systematic murders of activists and of the people who are being discriminated against Its the same modus operandi that the Nazi's used against the Jews It is funny. A bit early on to be warning of some of Final Solution to homosexuals though. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
February 25, 201411 yr I wish it was funny but its not. This is always the beginning of these types of draconian laws, first you legalize hate for a particular minority group. Then you mark or identify who the members of this group are. This empowers people to commit hate crimes against the targeted group without fear of persecution. Then you'll see systematic murders of activists and of the people who are being discriminated against Its the same modus operandi that the Nazi's used against the Jews "The problem with nazism is that sooner or later everyone becomes a jew." "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
February 26, 201411 yr I believe that the retort to that would be that morality is subjective, and that humans don't have any inherent rights. Of course, I don't believe that, but no one is asking me to make laws. It is a oxymoron in some ways. If you truly believe in a specific morality you feel compelled to enforce it, even tough forcing ones beliefs and values on someone can in itself be inherently immoral. In other words, everyone is self-righteous. Everyone. No exceptions. I want to ask you a very important question, do you personally think its right to put someone in jail for life for having consensual same sex? See bolded ^^ I wish it was funny but its not. This is always the beginning of these types of draconian laws, first you legalize hate for a particular minority group. Hate never was illegal to begin with. Expression of hate towards specific things may be. But you can't really make hate illegal. Hating whomever you want for whatever reason you want is the basic human "right". Nitpicking here, but I'm bored. * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake!
February 26, 201411 yr Author I wish it was funny but its not. This is always the beginning of these types of draconian laws, first you legalize hate for a particular minority group. Hate never was illegal to begin with. Expression of hate towards specific things may be. But you can't really make hate illegal. Hating whomever you want for whatever reason you want is the basic human "right". Nitpicking here, but I'm bored. I disagree, I have never seen a single constitution in the world that says " you are entitled to hate as a basic human right". Maybe you can provide a link that can dispute this ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Can you show a single constitution that allows noodle eating? Or having a nose? There's a reason why laws have to be made to make things illegal rather than having everything be illegal be default. As such, it is up to you to prove that generic hate is illegal, not on him to prove it's legal.
February 26, 201411 yr Author Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Can you show a single constitution that allows noodle eating? Or having a nose? There's a reason why laws have to be made to make things illegal rather than having everything be illegal be default. As such, it is up to you to prove that generic hate is illegal, not on him to prove it's legal. Wow that's a clever post, okay lets be pedantic and not understand my original point. Yes you right its a basic human right to hate and this is something that countries allow. Is that better? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr I disagree, I have never seen a single constitution in the world that says " you are entitled to hate as a basic human right". Maybe you can provide a link that can dispute this ? Sanctity of a human mind. I've set to see a constitution that writes "You're not allowed to FEEL this/that or THINK this/that". So yes, I bloody well think it's a human right, given that nobody can take it away from you (yet. Once mind-reading and brainwashing becomes possible, then all freedom is gone forever) * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake!
February 26, 201411 yr Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Hate per se? No. Expression (vocal or written) of that hate against specific groups or individuals is prohibited by numerous countries. Brazil, Sweden, South Africa, and Serbia have specific provisions in their constiutions against hate speech. There are also several countries whose penal codes prohibit it (Netherlands, France, Croatia, Canada, Belgium etc.). Edited February 26, 201411 yr by kgambit
February 26, 201411 yr Hate speech laws only sweep unwanted opinions under the rug, just because no one is saying anything publicly, it doesn't mean that the opinion exist in itself. Feel-good laws if you may call it so. Also, these kinds of laws give further leeway for hindering discourse since they by design (what is 'hate speech'? hard satire? stereotyping?) are making people, and the state, to able to use the law to silence any percieved hate. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 26, 201411 yr Author Hate speech laws only sweep unwanted opinions under the rug, just because no one is saying anything publicly, it doesn't mean that the opinion exist in itself. Feel-good laws if you may call it so. Also, these kinds of laws give further leeway for hindering discourse since they by design (what is 'hate speech'? hard satire? stereotyping?) are making people, and the state, to able to use the law to silence any percieved hate. Well I know when I mentioned this before you made a few jokes about it but in the South African constitution our clause about free speech really works, "say what you want but you can't impact the dignity of a person." Yes the words "dignity" can be subjective but its not hard to work out what you should or shouldn't say "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Can you show a single constitution that allows noodle eating? Or having a nose? There's a reason why laws have to be made to make things illegal rather than having everything be illegal be default. As such, it is up to you to prove that generic hate is illegal, not on him to prove it's legal. Wow that's a clever post, okay lets be pedantic and not understand my original point. Yes you right its a basic human right to hate and this is something that countries allow. Is that better? It is a basic right to think whatever you wish no matter how right or wrong it may be. Wrong of course often being a subjective thing. You don't get basic rights from a constitution, you get them from just existing. Your Constitution happens to be one of the more @#$*(@#ed up ones in the western world by the way. Outlawing certain types of thought is arguably more evil than the whatever it is you're attempting to outlaw. Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Valsuelm
February 26, 201411 yr Author Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Can you show a single constitution that allows noodle eating? Or having a nose? There's a reason why laws have to be made to make things illegal rather than having everything be illegal be default. As such, it is up to you to prove that generic hate is illegal, not on him to prove it's legal. Wow that's a clever post, okay lets be pedantic and not understand my original point. Yes you right its a basic human right to hate and this is something that countries allow. Is that better? It is a basic right to think whatever you wish no matter how right or wrong it may be. Wrong of course often being a subjective thing. You don't get basic rights from a constitution, you get them from just existing. Your Constitution happens to be one of the more @#$*(@#ed up ones in the western world by the way. Outlawing certain types of thought is arguably more evil than the whatever it is you're attempting to outlaw. Wow, if you don't like the SA constitution then just say so. I prefer honesty and I don't believe you are being sincere with all this admiration.... "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Hate speech laws only sweep unwanted opinions under the rug, just because no one is saying anything publicly, it doesn't mean that the opinion exist in itself. Feel-good laws if you may call it so. Also, these kinds of laws give further leeway for hindering discourse since they by design (what is 'hate speech'? hard satire? stereotyping?) are making people, and the state, to able to use the law to silence any percieved hate. Well I know when I mentioned this before you made a few jokes about it but in the South African constitution our clause about free speech really works, "say what you want but you can't impact the dignity of a person." Yes the words "dignity" can be subjective but its not hard to work out what you should or shouldn't say I'll be nice this time though. As long as you do not claim that SA has free speech or freedom of expression, then it is ok with me. Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 26, 201411 yr Author Hate speech laws only sweep unwanted opinions under the rug, just because no one is saying anything publicly, it doesn't mean that the opinion exist in itself. Feel-good laws if you may call it so. Also, these kinds of laws give further leeway for hindering discourse since they by design (what is 'hate speech'? hard satire? stereotyping?) are making people, and the state, to able to use the law to silence any percieved hate. Well I know when I mentioned this before you made a few jokes about it but in the South African constitution our clause about free speech really works, "say what you want but you can't impact the dignity of a person." Yes the words "dignity" can be subjective but its not hard to work out what you should or shouldn't say I'll be nice this time though. As long as you do not claim that SA has free speech or freedom of expression, then it is ok with me. Okay you saying I shouldn't claim that because we don't because of the clause? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Yep Speech is either free or it isn't. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 26, 201411 yr Author Yep Speech is either free or it isn't. Yeah we had this debate on the Internet Troll thread and we will never see each others point which is fine, so it would be waste of time discussing it further. I won't bring it up "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Exactly. Now back to the gays. This is apparantly what Ugandians believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 26, 201411 yr Author Exactly. Now back to the gays. This is apparantly what Ugandians believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w OMG, is that a parody? It can't be real, surly that's not how the Ugandan authorities are spreading the homophobic message? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
February 26, 201411 yr Exactly. Now back to the gays. This is apparantly what Ugandians believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w Obama wants you to have the right to eat poo poo. That sounds about right.
February 26, 201411 yr Exactly. Now back to the gays. This is apparantly what Ugandians believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w OMG, is that a parody? It can't be real, surly that's not how the Ugandan authorities are spreading the homophobic message? Sorry, i have bad news for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7T-Gr60Fo8 Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
February 26, 201411 yr Can you show a single constitution that outlaws hate? Hate per se? No. Expression (vocal or written) of that hate against specific groups or individuals is prohibited by numerous countries. Trashman had already stated that in the post Bruce replied to, so Bruce was obviously referring to hate, the emotion, as opposed to hate speech. My point was obviously that you need specific laws to make things illegal (hence no law legalising having a nose or eating noodles) and he wouldn't find many if any making hate, the emotion, illegal. Basically Bruce's disingenuousness managed to elicit a response, though probably not the one he was aiming for.
February 26, 201411 yr I'm not sure why OP is even singling out Uganda. Homosexuality is criminalized in many countries (and still in some US states if I'm not mistaken), but it's easy to pick on the weakest and poorest of the bunch. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
February 26, 201411 yr I'm not sure why OP is even singling out Uganda. Homosexuality is criminalized in many countries (and still in some US states if I'm not mistaken), but it's easy to pick on the weakest and poorest of the bunch.what?
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