Orogun01 Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 The adults still have ADD, it's just that many of the teens who get diagnosed with ADD won't have it in 4-6 years time. Basically they just "grow out of it". So, everyone should just the man the **** up? Quit being an ass. And quit trying to put words in my mouth. I don't know why everyone reacts negatively to telling someone to "man the **** up". It seems to me that the soft approach never makes anyone realize their situation or how pathetic it is. If their problem is just immaturity, then growing up its exactly what they need to do and if they have an actual condition then they should just be men and just get it under control. So really, the best advice you can give someone is to just man the **** up. BTW, does anyone know how the rates of ADD compare between the sexes? It always seems that every case is male but I don't know if that's just stereotyping. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Zoraptor Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 If you have an actual condition it is often impossible to "man the asterisks up". Firstly, you're telling children and teenagers to do it and, well, theyare by definition teenagers and children, not adults. Secondly, if there's an underlying reason for it you're not taking that into account- while not directly equivalent, if you told someone with chronic, big D Depression to just man up it cannot work on a fundamental level as it is caused not by feeling a bit down because your girlfriend left you and someone stole your horse, but by a chemical imbalance- and thirdly you're telling people who by definition have general difficulty concentrating and paying attention to, well, concentrate and pay attention. It's not that easy, if it were they wouldn't have the problem in the first place.
Orogun01 Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 If you have an actual condition it is often impossible to "man the asterisks up". Firstly, you're telling children and teenagers to do it and, well, theyare by definition teenagers and children, not adults. Secondly, if there's an underlying reason for it you're not taking that into account- while not directly equivalent, if you told someone with chronic, big D Depression to just man up it cannot work on a fundamental level as it is caused not by feeling a bit down because your girlfriend left you and someone stole your horse, but by a chemical imbalance- and thirdly you're telling people who by definition have general difficulty concentrating and paying attention to, well, concentrate and pay attention. It's not that easy, if it were they wouldn't have the problem in the first place. Who has told you that being a man was easy? I didn't say that they wouldn't have problems, the difference being that a man solves his problems. So they may not get better but they at least can carry their cross with some dignity and look past to keep on living. On the possibility of betterment of mental conditions I quote Vyse from SoA: "Impossible is just a word to help people feel good about themselves when they quit" Once they stop using their condition as an excuse and start making changes in their lives they'll realize that's not impossible to have a good life. On another note; they should just rename ADD to American Deficit Disorder as it seem that's the mindless consumerism and modern lifestyle that seems to be the main cause. 1 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Rosbjerg Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 there's a lot more to it. there's a whole giant bunch of symptoms, and you need most of them before you get the diagnosis. (at least if it is done right) I know and as Hurlshot mentioned diet is also a big factor. There was this hugely popular book in Denmark where a family had a kid with crippling ADHD and simply by taking away sugar and especially gluten, he became a lot more focused and "normal" - so there's also that. But I'll still argue that we are holding kids and teenagers to pretty stupid and unrealistic standards. On one hand we have this extremely interactive, always on and always distracting reality of TV, computers, mobiles and then we have school which is thankfully getting a lot better, but we humans are obviously not designed to be both as idle and as intermittently concentrated and erratic as as modern society apperantly would like, as these attention disorders and overweight epidemics shows. I just think it's a shame we drug ourselves to fit in rather than fix the problems to fit us. Fortune favors the bald.
JFSOCC Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 I don't know why everyone reacts negatively to telling someone to "man the **** up". It seems to me that the soft approach never makes anyone realize their situation or how pathetic it is. If their problem is just immaturity, then growing up its exactly what they need to do and if they have an actual condition then they should just be men and just get it under control.If it is, yes.So really, the best advice you can give someone is to just man the **** up.SometimesBTW, does anyone know how the rates of ADD compare between the sexes? It always seems that every case is male but I don't know if that's just stereotyping.It expresses slightly differently in women, which is why it's not as obvious and well known, but it's suspected the rates are about the same. As for epidemiology. I hear many different rates bandied about, some go as high as 15% of the population. I don't know about that, but it IS widespread and much more common than we think. It's just something society has managed to live with, probably for centuries, possibly millenia and only fairly recently has the problem been specified and identified. Which is not to say it isn't a real problem, just that in the past those with ADD got no sympathy and a raw deal more often than not. I imagine it's much like when dyslexia first got identified, people with dyslexia had been around for a long time, but until people figured it out, it was simply thought that they were stupid, or had bad eyesight. ADD is suffering from being a new diagnosis of an old ailment. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons.
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