EU criminalises claiming that drinking water stops dehydration

[Walsingham]

Taking those measures may be grossly insufficient. In which case you are drowning slightly less, but still drowning, in plastic.

 

Applying the gospel of test everything first would leave us banging rocks together when the asteroid hits. Recklessness is built into our bodies. And I thank God daily for it. Although strictly speaking I don't believe in God. But one has to be grateful for good stuff. I suppose I should thank my ancestors.

[Gorth]

We need more plastic eating microbes. We've got half the Pacific turned into a pseudo plastic landmass to test it on. It would be nice if more effort was put into bio degradeability (is that a word?). Unless it is meant to last until explicitly destroyed (like a bridge or a house), it should be a requirement that materials used in the daily household decomposed into harmless components after an amount of time. Imagine the space saved on landfills if the bulk of the stuff there degraded over 2-3 years.

[Moose]

Degrade into what? Methane?

[Gorth]

Degrade into what? Methane?

It would be too optimistic to hope for genetically engineered microbes that turns it into alcohol?

[Rosbjerg]

Degrade into what? Methane?

It would be too optimistic to hope for genetically engineered microbes that turns it into alcohol?

 

So the sea becomes a light cider.. that would be.. interesting.

[Walsingham]

We need more plastic eating microbes. We've got half the Pacific turned into a pseudo plastic landmass to test it on. It would be nice if more effort was put into bio degradeability (is that a word?). Unless it is meant to last until explicitly destroyed (like a bridge or a house), it should be a requirement that materials used in the daily household decomposed into harmless components after an amount of time. Imagine the space saved on landfills if the bulk of the stuff there degraded over 2-3 years.

 

*rage*

 

And what if the energy expended in making these biodegradeables is 5 times that used on existing materials?

 

There's far too little attention paid to systems thinking in these ostensibly 'green' ideas. No offence, Gorth. it's not like you're king of industry and are about to launch into this concept.

[Nepenthe]

We need more plastic eating microbes. We've got half the Pacific turned into a pseudo plastic landmass to test it on. It would be nice if more effort was put into bio degradeability (is that a word?). Unless it is meant to last until explicitly destroyed (like a bridge or a house), it should be a requirement that materials used in the daily household decomposed into harmless components after an amount of time. Imagine the space saved on landfills if the bulk of the stuff there degraded over 2-3 years.

 

*rage*

 

And what if the energy expended in making these biodegradeables is 5 times that used on existing materials?

Well, if they get viable fusion power at the same time, it's a non-issue.

[Rosbjerg]

And what if the energy expended in making these biodegradeables is 5 times that used on existing materials?

 

To quote you "Applying the gospel of test everything first would leave us banging rocks together when the asteroid hits."

[Walsingham]

And what if the energy expended in making these biodegradeables is 5 times that used on existing materials?

 

To quote you "Applying the gospel of test everything first would leave us banging rocks together when the asteroid hits."

 

Touche. You get weaving, and I'll light up these gibbons.

[Gorth]

We need more plastic eating microbes. We've got half the Pacific turned into a pseudo plastic landmass to test it on. It would be nice if more effort was put into bio degradeability (is that a word?). Unless it is meant to last until explicitly destroyed (like a bridge or a house), it should be a requirement that materials used in the daily household decomposed into harmless components after an amount of time. Imagine the space saved on landfills if the bulk of the stuff there degraded over 2-3 years.

 

*rage*

 

And what if the energy expended in making these biodegradeables is 5 times that used on existing materials?

 

There's far too little attention paid to systems thinking in these ostensibly 'green' ideas. No offence, Gorth. it's not like you're king of industry and are about to launch into this concept.

I make Software, not Tupperware

 

So what if the energy cost is 5 times higher? What are the long term costs of doing versus not doing?

 

I sometimes wonder about companies that whinge about recession and lower sales in the wake of continuous rounds of outsourcing of labour to "cheap labour" countries. Did the thought ever occur to them that the long term cost of saving cost is going out of business because what they save is the workplaces that should have provided consumers?

 

I'm not a "systems theoretic" (whatever the correct form of somebody who worships system theory is), but in my own little world as an analyst I sometimes wonder about peoples focus on short term problems. If a process is inherently unsustainable, how much resources is it worth throwing at it before changing into something with better long term prospects?

 

Somebody with an appropriate degree would be able to put up a (probably wrong) equation and tell, X marks the spot when the pain threshold is reached and I'm not the one. I'm just an inquisitive mind observing my surroundings rather than trying to reshape the world

[Hurlshort]

Tupperware is a pretty awesome plastic, btw.

[Gorgon]

The inside core of Tupperware plastic is carcinogenic. Of course it rarely ever breaks, but if it should get rid of it.

[Walsingham]

The inside core of Tupperware plastic is carcinogenic. Of course it rarely ever breaks, but if it should get rid of it.

 

 

I did not know that!

 

Of course, thanks to budget cuts I now have to store food leftovers in my own armpit.

[Humodour]

Taking those measures may be grossly insufficient. In which case you are drowning slightly less, but still drowning, in plastic.

 

Um, no. Decreasing your exposure to monomer units (which come out of polymers under things like mechanical stress, heat, UV, acid, solvent, etc), plasticisers, and other plastic additives decreases the severity and risk of things like cancer and endocrine disorder.

 

It's not black and white. It's not "all plastic or no plastic". It's more like "if I can reduce my exposure to plastics by 50%, I reduce my risk of cancer caused by plastics by 50%". Or "if I reduce my exposure to plastic by 50%, I reduce the severity of endocrine disruption by 50%, possibly below levels that are even capable of causing disruption."

 

When you apply that approach to your entire lifestyle, significantly cutting down on sources of cancer and disease, you're obviously cutting risk factors across the board. It's not going to guarantee you don't get cancer or die at 36 of a heart attack, but I think anybody who understand statistics would understand it's still very much worth doing (certainly in comparison to your fatalistic "who cares" attitude).

 

Exhibit a: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-11-bpa-...anned-soup.html

Edited November 23, 2011 by Krezack

[Walsingham]

It's your damn body. Feel free to do what you like. Me, I eat cheaply and live cheaply, and spend my consequently freed money on enjoying being alive. Or on my nearest and dearest.

 

My main point was that really:

 

1. You ARE going to die, like it or not

2. Obsessing over plastic in your food chain may keep you alive 3.4 years longer, but it will also make you a collossal creepy bore.

 

Although iirc you're still young enough that point 2 isn't so much of an issue yet.

 

PS. Your PM box is full.

[Humodour]

It's your damn body. Feel free to do what you like. Me, I eat cheaply and live cheaply, and spend my consequently freed money on enjoying being alive. Or on my nearest and dearest.

 

My main point was that really:

 

1. You ARE going to die, like it or not

2. Obsessing over plastic in your food chain may keep you alive 3.4 years longer, but it will also make you a collossal creepy bore.

 

Although iirc you're still young enough that point 2 isn't so much of an issue yet.

 

PS. Your PM box is full.

 

You only live once, so I'll take an extra 3.4 years of health (and life) wherever I can get them (so that I CAN enjoy it for as long as possible)!

 

I certainly thoroughly enjoy my life with my partner in the mean-time, Wals, so you're painting a false dichotomy. You conflate being healthy with being boring, anal, or unhappy. It's not the case. The things I do and see in my life are sometimes kind of surreal - I am more than entertained. And I usually don't need money for those things.

 

Moreover, I also eat cheaply and live cheaply (so that I can save more money for when I graduate). You don't need to eat unhealthy food to live cheaply. What a joke. Heck, I also ****ing love the food I eat. But when you eat less processed and pre-made food and make more meals yourself, I find you naturally do tend to enjoy it more.