Wrath of Dagon Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Yeah, I never actually said it's a good idea. Actually I'm pretty neutral on the law, because I don't think it's much more than a political statement. I just tried to objectively correct some of the distortions and scare tactics I see in the gaming media on this subject. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/sit...5113.guest.html Have fun Dagon. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Saw this earlier. Now don't you feel dirty being in bed with Rush? (btw, I'm not a big fan, the guy is too much of a blow hard) Edit: I noticed the caller misrepresented the case also, he never mentioned the games are only being regulated with respect to children buying them, not that they're not protected under the First Amendment. Edited November 1, 2010 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Dude, regulation is regulation. The reason this even got to the Supreme court is that the ESA is trying to get them protected under first amendment and in order for the law to even work the government has to classify the games separately from other medias so that they don't get 1st amendment protections on what can and can't be sold to whom. Edited November 1, 2010 by Calax Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I'm not sure they're actually claiming games are different from other media in First Amendment protection, just that the law applies to games only at this point. Here's what looks like an objective legal analysis, althought I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing yet: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6191...on_and_the_.php "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 *shrugs* doesn't matter to me that I'm "In bed" with rush. I may disagree with the man 99% of the time, but even disagreeable dinks do have some good points. That said, the article you linked basically amounted to "Yeah, the supreme court is gonna squash this because it doesn't me the standards required to regulate speech" Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Dude, regulation is regulation. I'm getting confused Calax. Are you a soppy leftist or a die-hard macho libertarian? It cannot be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 I'm neither and both at the same time. In order for this law to pass, the government has to show that self regulation wouldn't work at all, and that the Law is the only way to properly regulate this form of speech. Neither of the two lower parts of the court have decided this was true, and kept the protection of free speech in place. Basically congress cannot make a law that regulates speech unless it falls under the obscenity category or the category of a threat (to public order or otherwise). And even then they have to show that the ESRB and similar regulatory bodies are incapable of doing it themselves. I'm not necessarily anti- or pro- regulation in general, until it comes to very specific topics, like freedom of speech and the regulation of the access to what is considered free speech. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) That said, the article you linked basically amounted to "Yeah, the supreme court is gonna squash this because it doesn't me the standards required to regulate speech" Read it again, it doesn't say that. It's saying that was the reasoning of lower courts, but for some reason the Supreme Court wants to take another look. They could've just accepted the Ninth Circus decision and that would be the end of it. Edit: I bet if you polled legal experts before the corporate free speech decision, most would have said the court would rule against the corporations. Btw, it's interesting that the people who were against corporate free speech are probably the same people who say games are protected free speech. But aren't games made and sold by corporations? Edited November 2, 2010 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 That said, the article you linked basically amounted to "Yeah, the supreme court is gonna squash this because it doesn't me the standards required to regulate speech" Read it again, it doesn't say that. It's saying that was the reasoning of lower courts, but for some reason the Supreme Court wants to take another look. They could've just accepted the Ninth Circus decision and that would be the end of it. Edit: I bet if you polled legal experts before the corporate free speech decision, most would have said the court would rule against the corporations. Btw, it's interesting that the people who were against corporate free speech are probably the same people who say games are protected free speech. But aren't games made and sold by corporations? A couple things: One, there's actually a line in that article you apparently missed where it's suggested that the court may have accepted the case in order to simply but this to rest totally (as the other legal battles along these lines have cost various states 2 million put together). Two, I don't really know what the hell you're talking about polling the experts about Three, Who said I'm against free speech for anything? Now, corporations are allowed free speech, but using money is not a speaking action if that's what you're getting at. Also with the "aren't games sold by corporations" idiocy, SO ARE BOOKS, MUSIC, MOVIES, AND ANY OTHER MEDIA YOU CAN THINK OF! All those media are also protected by free speech so go figure numbskull. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 http://kotaku.com/5678903/supreme-court-pu...-video-game-law It would seem that Scallia is... very very critical of the California law. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_en_...ent_video_games Interesting that this may not be the usual liberal/conservative split. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Well, usually the conservatives are anti-regulation and the liberals are babysitter state. I'm gonna guess that this'll be either ejected or shot down http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/02/scotus.vi...x.html?hpt=Sbin Scallia seems to think that this would create a department of censorship in california Edited November 2, 2010 by Calax Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/02/our-favo...he-nba-jam-guy/ Boom-shaka-laka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) If it had come out of anywhere but California, I might think it's something other than the movie industry trying to suppress competing entertainment. The Supreme Court's questions bring me back to this in wondering why video games are singled out. When we've got games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty outselling movie blockbusters, I can't think the movie industry isn't going to be taken aback. They have, for years, had to cut movies down from R to PG-13 in an effort to increase viewership. But videogames don't seem have that problem. Edited November 2, 2010 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 The movie industry is backing the video game industry in this. Also it's not just California that passed this kind of law, it's just that the California case got to the Supreme Court. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 If it had come out of anywhere but California, I might think it's something other than the movie industry trying to suppress competing entertainment. The Supreme Court's questions bring me back to this in wondering why video games are singled out. When we've got games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty outselling movie blockbusters, I can't think the movie industry isn't going to be taken aback. They have, for years, had to cut movies down from R to PG-13 in an effort to increase viewership. But videogames don't seem have that problem. Thing is, movies are easy for parents to screen and know about because they're such a big thing and only 90 minutes long. A game? not so much. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Here's an article which shows the responses, not just the questions: http://kotaku.com/5679655/highlights-of-to...video-game-case Quite interesting, it's actually a thoughtful discussion. The court is having a problem with the vagueness of the law, which I thought was the industrie's best argument. Edited November 2, 2010 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 If it had come out of anywhere but California, I might think it's something other than the movie industry trying to suppress competing entertainment. The Supreme Court's questions bring me back to this in wondering why video games are singled out. When we've got games like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty outselling movie blockbusters, I can't think the movie industry isn't going to be taken aback. They have, for years, had to cut movies down from R to PG-13 in an effort to increase viewership. But videogames don't seem have that problem. Thing is, movies are easy for parents to screen and know about because they're such a big thing and only 90 minutes long. A game? not so much. Interesting point. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Thing is, movies are easy for parents to screen and know about because they're such a big thing and only 90 minutes long. A game? not so much. Parents know about movies because they grew up watching movies while the system was enabled. Games are only their first generation of gaming parents and they have only become widespread in the last 10 years, give it time so that our generation ( which is already educated on the ESBR) has kids of their own. It will be easy for them to monitor their kid's games. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Still oro, it's not like a parent, even a gaming parent, is going to play an entire game just because their kid wants it an d they want to make sure it's "safe". Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 So, we should beware DVD sets? How many parents read their children's books ahead of time? "____ an entire ____" hasn't exactly been a problem. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Depends on what you mean by dvd sets. If it's a tv show, usually the parent watched it the first time it was running and the kid loved it. For books... hell nobody checks books (my parents were really confused when I asked them what "fondle" meant in 5th grade due to a book) Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 For books... hell nobody checks books (my parents were really confused when I asked them what "fondle" meant in 5th grade due to a book) So is that a problem children need to be protected from? "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Still oro, it's not like a parent, even a gaming parent, is going to play an entire game just because their kid wants it an d they want to make sure it's "safe". You really don't even have to play a game to know the difference between Mario Galaxy and Resident Evil. Basically games and movies appeal to preconceptions, we all have them about upcoming games and genres. We only need to look at a video of the gameplay, the game cover, or the ads to know what game is unsuitable to kids. The problems is actually picking a game that is both entertaining and fit for children. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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