Blizzard Forums to use real ID name

[Purkake]

Nightshape, Nightshade it's all the same to me.

 

 

Sorry, too many nightthings around these parts

 

[213374U]

You seem to have missed where I wrote: [...]

Is such life threatening? Nah. But it sure would be bloody annoying, eh?

No, I read it just fine. I just see it as one of the obvious possible consequences of posting private information in a public forum. I'm surprised you don't.

 

I repeat the question: how is this, again, a qualitative jump in risk from having your name and phone number appear in the directory? Or posting wedding announcements on the newspaper? I find that doing that sort of things and complaining about one's privacy being at risk are incompatible. But hey, I may just be paranoid, right? Because WoW boards users are like a Biblical scourge, or something.

 

I already admitted where this could be a real risk, and it's with regards to data mining ops by HR depts. But as another poster said, if playing WoW is going to get you fired, maybe it's time to quit.

[Mamoulian War]

Nope, but so far 2 people posted their real names on Blizz forums... so 2 out of 2 is 100% success of abusement Now do your math

Wow, your logic is... wow.

 

Are you just trolling me or...? Seriously, explain to me in great detail how 1, 2 or n where n ∈ N is equivalent to "any/all", because I can't seem to solve that one on my own.

 

My logic is exactly the same as yours, just on opposite spectrum

 

you are acting, like it is nothing when 2 people get harrased because they posted their real name on gaming forums, and i am doing the exact opposite, making it doom... your rhetoric is same as rhetoric of RIAA, my rhetoric is same as swedish pirate party.. just to make you sound ridiculous, like you realy are The truth is in middle as always... not all people who give up their name will be harrased by idiots and asshats, but the people who will be harrassed, might be suffering from it... from basic stuff like racist or homophobia emails in their account to stealing their identity and cleaning their bank account!!!

 

and in this specific case n ∈ N is equivalent to "any/all", because 2 people revealed their identities, and two people got harrassed... and two people out of two people is in other words all people out of the presented statistical sample

Edited July 8, 2010 by Mamoulian War

[Mamoulian War]

And mr. too elite for us, here is the easiest way how to get most of your private information, without you ever writing anything about you on internet... Just from your real name and location (if it is also requirement to link with realID)...

[213374U]

My logic is exactly the same as yours, just on opposite spectrum

Obviously, logic doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

 

you are acting, like it is nothing when 2 people get harrased because they posted their real name on gaming forums, and i am doing the exact opposite, making it doom... your rhetoric is same as rhetoric of RIAA, my rhetoric is same as swedish pirate party.. just to make you sound ridiculous, like you realy are

Ridiculous, am I? Wait, who was it that used asian elite hax0rs breaking into secure govt databases in minutes as a vehicle to support his arguments?

 

You, sir, are a ****ing joke.

 

 

The truth is in middle as always... not all people who give up their name will be harrased by idiots and asshats, but the people who will be harrassed, might be suffering from it... from basic stuff like racist or homophobia emails in their account to stealing their identity and cleaning their bank account!!!

This is bull****. "The truth is in the middle" is a useless aphorism and trivially easy to disprove... as is the case with sweeping generalisations. If I said "blacks are inferior" and you denied it, does that mean that "some blacks are inferior", because "the truth is in the middle"?

 

As for people being harassed... that will continue to happen (yes it is happening already *SHOCK!!!*), regardless of policies adopted by Blizz on their boards. Stalkers aren't anything new, in case you didn't know.

 

 

and in this specific case n ∈ N is equivalent to "any/all", because 2 people revealed their identities, and two people got harrassed... and two people out of two people is in other words all people out of the presented statistical sample

Sorry to break it to you, but that doesn't even make sense, mate.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalizatio..._the_particular

 

 

And mr. too elite for us, here is the easiest way how to get most of your private information, without you ever writing anything about you on internet... Just from your real name and location (if it is also requirement to link with realID)...

 

OmniThought wrote:

Once I have your name and general location, if you own property, I can pay 5-15 dollars for a subscription to a public service record and find your address and telephone number. If you have family members in your FaceBook friends, I can scan that list for other possible household members to confirm where you live, and also find information about those other household members. I can use that information to scan through various sites through a more confined search engine to find any possible private information that you may have left on the internet, anywhere. If anyone felt like it, they could certainly find your address or phone number. Your SSN would be more difficult, of course, but if you ever made the slightest mistake in inputting it on a website that was not https, even years ago, it could possibly be found. The issue of time frame is an important one, because not everyone remembers everything they've ever typed on the internet. If anyone was really interested, and had connections, they could find even more private information.

 

Note: There are also private record listings that people may have access to because of a job that they do. They could possibly use those records to find you, and if the person isn't an idiot, the chances of them getting caught would be considerably lessened. I've worked with such record listings in my occupations, and they are very, very detailed.

Yes, yes. The world is a really dangerous place, and it's full of tech-savvy pro stalkers with "connections"... that rely nonetheless on you leaving your personal data in the open. Seriously, that guy could not find me unless he was an Interpol agent. But yeah, I guess Interpol agents have lots of friends with nothing better to do than prank calls on some nobody on the other side of the world...

 

But I'm ridiculous. \o/

[Mamoulian War]

yes you are, i never said half of the things you put in my mouth in yuor last post

 

and i do not need to have any connection to any politician, secret service, police, E.T or Skynet, to get all the stuff i posted from real name, if you or anyone who will post his real name on the internet, has any property in my country, because ownership of any property is accessible in my country as a free service to population and many of the other countries have same free service aswell

 

and to get all other vital information about you, all i need to pay some person who thinks, that he is underpaid, who works for government

 

live in your "safe" bubble and stop harassing other peoples serious issues about possible security risks connected with revelation of their real name in some public forums full of retarded asshats, like WoW forum is...

Edited July 8, 2010 by Mamoulian War

[Mamoulian War]

If you are still playing WoW or have battle.net account, and you have serious issues about RealID, here is the way how to easily disable your RealID from appearing in any of the Activision - Blizzard games and networks available to other people...

 

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/07/w...out-realid.html

[213374U]

and i do not need to have any connection to any politician, secret service, police, E.T or Skynet, to get all the stuff i posted from real name, if you or anyone who will post his real name on the internet, has any property in my country, because ownership of any property is accessible in my country as a free service to population

 

and all i need to pay some person who thinks, that thinks that is underpaid, working for government and i get all other required information

I don't know where you live, but over here, bribing public officials or servants to obtain private data is a criminal offense and will likely land both you and the official in jail. Yes, it's possible, but unlikely -- unless one lives in your nightmare world of asian elite haxors and teenage criminals that will empty your bank account without a second thought.

 

For the nth time, there's nothing new in all this. How do you thing PIs work? Do you know how arduous and tedious a PI's work is? That's a full-time job, fyi.

 

 

live in your "safe" bubble and stop harassing other peoples serious issues about possible security risks connected with revelation of their real name in some public forums full of retarded asshats, like WoW forum is...

No, you got it all wrong. You post bull****, I call you on it. That's how this works. If you don't like it... you can stop posting balls at any time.

 

I can accept that the WoW boards membership isn't exactly the cream of the crop... but hey, are they as a collective more inclined towards crime? Because the sort of paranoia you're putting forth involves breaking some laws... not that you'd know that, from your posts. Which is, I concede, a very real cause for concern.

[Mamoulian War]

can you please show me where i posted bull****, and not some IMAGINATION of my words which you formed from my REAL words, based on your elite trolling skills?

 

and you know you are breaking the laws, only when you get caught...

 

even now there is big security hole in blizzard's battle.net and i do not need to be as you say chines haxor stealing data from government... all i need is to install a malicious WoW addon *hugs and kisses*

Edited July 8, 2010 by Mamoulian War

[213374U]

can you please show me where i posted bull****, and not some IMAGINATION of my words which you formed from my REAL words, based on your elite trolling skills?

Uh, read your own posts?

 

 

and you know you are breaking the laws, only when you get caught...

 

even now there is big security hole in blizzard's battle.net and i do not need to be as you say chines haxor stealing data from government... all i need is to install a malicious WoW addon *hugs and kisses*

Wow, yeah. Then why aren't you mass-stealing credit card numbers? Practically they are there for the taking and, after all, it's only a crime if you get caught. The ZILLIONS you can make from this could easily cover your legal expenses! I'm sure you could also easily bribe a few judges and ministers, if push comes to shove!

 

Is this some scam you're trying to sell here? I, for one, am not buying.

Edited July 8, 2010 by 213374U

[Mamoulian War]

Uh, read your own posts?

 

I think the only one person whou should read carefully my posts, is you

 

in no way the thing i said

 

And I guarantee you that some russian or chinese teenager seeking a way to get bonus to his pocket money, would easily get all your information from the "secure" web with proper targeted datamining, if he thought you are worth the trouble...

 

equals to the thing you said

 

Ridiculous, am I? Wait, who was it that used asian elite hax0rs breaking into secure govt databases in minutes as a vehicle to support his arguments?

 

And if it equals in your mind, then, you sir, are in need the help of some professional which can improve your reading comprehension

[213374U]

And if it equals in your mind, then, you sir, are in need the help of some professional which can improve your reading comprehension

Er, it does, because the only way one is going to get my personal data is by breaking into a government DB. Which you can't do with just "targeted datamining".

 

It's pretty funny that you made these inane claims without having any idea about what my line of work is or how security conscious I am with regards to my personal data.

 

But hey, you guaranteed it, so it must be true!

[Mamoulian War]

And if it equals in your mind, then, you sir, are in need the help of some professional which can improve your reading comprehension

Er, it does, because the only way one is going to get my personal data is by breaking into a government DB. Which you can't do with just "targeted datamining".

 

It's pretty funny that you made these inane claims without having any idea about what my line of work is or how security conscious I am with regards to my personal data.

 

But hey, you guaranteed it, so it must be true!

 

But hey, you guaranteed that "the only way one is going to get my personal data is by breaking into a government DB". So it must be true as well \o/

[213374U]

Hahaha. How else are they going to get it, pray tell? I have never made any details about myself public, except for irrelevant facts about my military career. I consistently lie in all registration forms that ask for anything more personal than an e-mail address. I don't own property. I don't appear in the phone directory. I don't have a presence in social networks. I don't have public profiles anywhere.

 

Oh, right. I forgot about that method.

 

 

Damn, foiled again!

Edited July 8, 2010 by 213374U

[Mamoulian War]

And you still do not get, that this whole thread is not only about you as a person, but about a people in general, and you know, that when speaking about many people in general, people are often using the word "you" as a plural

[213374U]

And you still do not get, that this whole thread is not only about you as a person, but about a people in general, and you know, that when speaking about many people in general, people are often using the word "you" as a plural

Oh, so I guess all those posts where you quoted me directly and addressed my points weren't really directed at me, but at "people in general". Heh, okay. It's interesting, because this links with what I've been saying all along:

 

It's up to each person to protect their own privacy.

 

 

Oh, but wait. You did claim that ANY real name is at risk of being abused. That includes my own. Here, in case you forgot:

 

edit: and yes, i do think it is "good fight" because he just pointed out how any real name can be easily abused in a few minutes, thus showing the biggest flaw of this idea...

Edited July 8, 2010 by 213374U

[Mamoulian War]

Oh, but wait. You did claim that ANY real name is at risk of being abused. That includes my own. Here, in case you forgot:

 

edit: and yes, i do think it is "good fight" because he just pointed out how any real name can be easily abused in a few minutes, thus showing the biggest flaw of this idea...

 

Oh noes such a big mistake that i have made... I am ashamed, you got me there... now i have to go hide away from public and never come back to the light of the sun...

 

Arrivederci cruel world, i have failed you!!!

[213374U]

Yeah, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[Mamoulian War]

yes yes next time i post

 

"and yes, i do think it is "good fight" because he just pointed out how any RANDOM real name can be easily abused in a few minutes, thus showing the biggest flaw of this idea..."

 

so even you will spot the difference

[Calax]

If you are still playing WoW or have battle.net account, and you have serious issues about RealID, here is the way how to easily disable your RealID from appearing in any of the Activision - Blizzard games and networks available to other people...

 

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2010/07/w...out-realid.html

Big thing about that is that it eliminates the Real-ID functionality within the game, but also denies posting on the new boards (blizzard has said as much). So basically it does nothing except force a choice on you via a different manner.

 

According to a friend, the Starcraft 2 beta now has friend number strings rather than Real-ID so they may be backing off of this in general.

[Oner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgAkWxcPBE...player_embedded

[Mamoulian War]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgAkWxcPBE...player_embedded

 

 

+9000 :D

[Thorton_AP]

He did not done anything illegal, he just searched through publicly available information, based on the Real Name posted on the gaming forums. Therefore as i said, i never use my real name on any gaming forums... You can wreak havoc without breaking any law, and no one will ever try or force you to stop, therefore i think the RealID requirement for gaming forum posting is one of the most retarded moves in gaming industry, which is even beating the Ubisoft newest DRM by big margin.

 

edit: and yes, i do think it is "good fight" because he just pointed out how any real name can be easily abused in a few minutes, thus showing the biggest flaw of this idea... That his name is available in the gaming manual is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

Awesome, you support people searching other people on the internet and posting it on their blog for their readers (who are upset at the company affiliated with this person) to harass. Speaks volumes about yourself.

[Hurlshort]

You know, out in the real world, I give out my name quite frequently. I don't walk around giving people a fake name, or showing a fake ID when I buy stuff. When people's names become widespread on the internet, I really just think it is going to become a non-issue. Sure, there will always be the chance for abuse, but those same chances exist outside the internet.

[Thorton_AP]

You seem to have missed where I wrote: [...]

Is such life threatening? Nah. But it sure would be bloody annoying, eh?

No, I read it just fine. I just see it as one of the obvious possible consequences of posting private information in a public forum. I'm surprised you don't.

 

I repeat the question: how is this, again, a qualitative jump in risk from having your name and phone number appear in the directory? Or posting wedding announcements on the newspaper? I find that doing that sort of things and complaining about one's privacy being at risk are incompatible. But hey, I may just be paranoid, right? Because WoW boards users are like a Biblical scourge, or something.

 

I already admitted where this could be a real risk, and it's with regards to data mining ops by HR depts. But as another poster said, if playing WoW is going to get you fired, maybe it's time to quit.

 

My guess is simply due to the exposure. The number of people that actually take notice of a thread may (I don't know) be higher than the wedding posting or whatever. A popular post on the Blizz forums will probably be read by a lot of different people.

 

 

Though to LadyCrimson, if people are phoning you to harass you, they've stripped away layers of their anonymity (unless they're long distance calling you from a pay phone or something, but then suddenly the effort required for this type of trolling starts to increase a lot) because they're leaving a more obvious trail to themselves.