Reminder that India from 1947-1991 was pretty socialist

[I want teh kotor 3]

Why do you keep posting when it's clear you don't know anything?

 

The same reason you do.

[Killian Kalthorne]

It is so easy to set up LoF.

[I want teh kotor 3]

Yes it is. In fact, he does most of it himself.

[lord of flies]

It is so easy to set up LoF.

lol yes, I had no idea that "burn" was coming. *rolls eyes*

 

You have accepted that you don't know what you're talking about. So please, stop posting. For both our sakes.

Chavez brutally attacks any opposition. He practices rampant censorship on any news media that questions his actions. He will no doubt rig elections to keep himself in power, then, I am betting he is going to stage a war with his neighbors to justify martial law to keep himself in power indefinitely til the "crisis" has passed.

 

It is going down the road of a dictatorship, lead by Chavez and his idiot masses.

Okay, so one questionable thing ("brutally attacking opposition" isn't really on my top ten things a dictator does, unless we're talking murder here), and some crazy **** that will never happen except in Kalthorne's crazy fantasies where the Russkies are about to invade and 8 year old Palestinian war orphans deserve their situation.

[Orogun01]

Okay, so one questionable thing ("brutally attacking opposition" isn't really on my top ten things a dictator does, unless we're talking murder here), and some crazy **** that will never happen except in Kalthorne's crazy fantasies where the Russkies are about to invade and 8 year old Palestinian war orphans deserve their situation.

So please, do enlighten us with what you would define as a dictator. Should they eat babies to be on your top 10 list?

Now that I think about it, it sound like a good idea: Lof top 10 dictators.

[I want teh kotor 3]

I'm sure Stalin and Mao wouldn't be on there, seing as though he pretends they weren't evil.

[Orogun01]

I'm sure Stalin and Mao wouldn't be on there, seing as though he pretends they weren't evil.

Exactly the reason i'm curious.

[Killian Kalthorne]

You have accepted that you don't know what you're talking about. So please, stop posting. For both our sakes.

 

 

Make me, little boy. Make me. I DARE YOU!

[Trenitay]

I'm sure Stalin and Mao wouldn't be on there, seing as though he pretends they weren't evil.

Exactly the reason i'm curious.

 

I'd put my vote in for such evil people as Mother Theresa, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King Jr.

[Walsingham]

Oh for the love of...

[lord of flies]

Top ten worst dictators (no particular order):

1) Hitler

2) Hong Xiuquan

3) Mussolini

4) Franco

5) Leopold II

6) Nicholas II

7) Chiang Kai-Shek

Alexander Kerensky

9) Whoever was actually in charge of the Japanese armed forces during their invasion of China

10) Genghis Khan

 

PS: MLK Jr. was a socialist. Deal with it.

Edited March 6, 2010 by lord of flies

[Trenitay]

PS: MLK Jr. was a socialist. Deal with it.

 

Was he? I was unaware of that. Of course, I have no particular hatred of socialism so I'm not sure why I would need to deal with that.

[213374U]

Chavez isn't a proper dictator until he has absolute rule-by-decree powers, which he has held in the past and not abused unlike 20th century European dictators. He's not a dictator until the judiciary is his toy, which it isn't presently, despite its questionable practices and targeting. He's not a true dictator until he becomes the keystone of the state, which he most certainly is not. He could have moved to change these things, as his supporters have an absolute (as in 100%, not merely 50%+1) majority in Parliament.

 

Until that changes, it's simply a populist, corrupt regime, but not a dictatorship. Sorry.

Edited March 6, 2010 by 213374U

[I want teh kotor 3]

Even China admits that Mao killed at least 45 million, so its probably double that... And he's not one of the 10 worst dictators... Oh no, he was all beneficial and loving...

 

And Stalin did in at least 20 million, and some estimates say double or triple that... But no, he's not there...

[Hurlshort]

I'm not sure where LoF gets the idea everyone hates socialism here. Even the US, which is more resistant to socialist ideals than Europe, still has programs like welfare.

 

Now when you jump on the communist train and start choo chooing, that's usually when you get the collective raised eyebrows.

[lord of flies]

Even China admits that Mao killed at least 45 million, so its probably double that... And he's not one of the 10 worst dictators... Oh no, he was all beneficial and loving...

 

And Stalin did in at least 20 million, and some estimates say double or triple that... But no, he's not there...

Mao is responsible for the emancipation of the Chinese people from Japanese imperialism and Nationalist military dictatorship. Stalin is responsible for mass industrialization and victory in the Second World War. Their successes outweigh their "crimes."

[Hurlshort]

Even China admits that Mao killed at least 45 million, so its probably double that... And he's not one of the 10 worst dictators... Oh no, he was all beneficial and loving...

 

And Stalin did in at least 20 million, and some estimates say double or triple that... But no, he's not there...

Mao is responsible for the emancipation of the Chinese people from Japanese imperialism and Nationalist military dictatorship. Stalin is responsible for mass industrialization and victory in the Second World War. Their successes outweigh their "crimes."

 

Even if you were to subscribe to a Machiavellian philosophy, that doesn't make much sense. If the deaths are what led to Chinese emancipation or Russian Industrialization, then you might have an argument for the means justifying the end. As it stands, both Mao and Stalin did a tremendous amount of damage to their countries at the end of their lives with no clear justification.

[I want teh kotor 3]

Even China admits that Mao killed at least 45 million, so its probably double that... And he's not one of the 10 worst dictators... Oh no, he was all beneficial and loving...

 

And Stalin did in at least 20 million, and some estimates say double or triple that... But no, he's not there...

Mao is responsible for the emancipation of the Chinese people from Japanese imperialism and Nationalist military dictatorship. Stalin is responsible for mass industrialization and victory in the Second World War. Their successes outweigh their "crimes."

 

That's just illogical. If either Stalin or Mao had become mass murderers in their attempt to free their nations or whatever in the hell it was you said in a futile effort to defend them, then you might have a semblance of an argument. As it stands, Mao and Stalin killed all those craptons of people, and nothing they did could ever be worth that amount of corpses.

[lord of flies]

When we create a paradise, we must accept that some people are not fit to live in it.

[213374U]

YEEEAAAHH

[I want teh kotor 3]

When we create a paradise, we must accept that some people are not fit to live in it.

 

Neither Stalin nor Mao came anywhere near creating a paradise. Sorry.

[Killian Kalthorne]

When we create a paradise, we must accept that some people are not fit to live in it.

 

Only a naive idiot would believe in such a thing as paradise. Human beings, by their very nature, are vile, opportunistic, greedy, and violent. If there is such a paradise it would be destroyed by the presence of humans. There are few, very few, that transcends this norm but most are assassinated, ridiculed, and treated worse than dogs by the majority.

Edited March 6, 2010 by Killian Kalthorne

[Orogun01]

When we create a paradise, we must accept that some people are not fit to live in it.

 

Only a naive idiot would believe in such a thing as paradise. Human beings, by their very nature, are vile, opportunistic, greedy, and violent. If there is such a paradise it would be destroyed by the presence of humans. There are few, very few, that transcends this norm but most are assassinated, ridiculed, and treated worse than dogs by the majority.

The idea of an utopia is unattainable, said so by Plato himself. I wouldn't go so far as to say that human nature is as flawed as you think Killian, specially when the vast majority of Humans are followers. So all the things you mentioned are in fact stemmed from nurture (environment) rather than nature.

 

With that said, only a totalitarian, egotistical despot would be capable of pursuing his own dreamworld as an Utopia. Forcing it on everyone, Japan style.

[Walsingham]

Given that we've already established that LoF hasn't convinced anyone on the forum, and doesn't seem likely to, I suggest a hypothesis to make sense of his continued 'senseless' posts. They are nothing to do with convincing anyone and advancing communism, and everything to do with fuelling a sense of victimised entitlement. An undeserved entitlement given that he declines to illustrate a single practical step of sacrifice he has made to actual benefit his fellow man rather than sitting about planning how best to rule them.

[Orogun01]

Given that we've already established that LoF hasn't convinced anyone on the forum, and doesn't seem likely to, I suggest a hypothesis to make sense of his continued 'senseless' posts. They are nothing to do with convincing anyone and advancing communism, and everything to do with fuelling a sense of victimised entitlement. An undeserved entitlement given that he declines to illustrate a single practical step of sacrifice he has made to actual benefit his fellow man rather than sitting about planning how best to rule them.

Or he actually is the alter ego of Michael Moore, having fun pretending to be a communist.

Edited March 7, 2010 by Orogun01