alanschu Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) I don't know if it's uncool to link to another forum, but this one just boggled my mind. http://community.codemasters.com/forum/sho...ad.php?t=384132 People here are complaining because Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising, does not have a CD Key, complaining that it will ruin the Multiplayer experience because of "hackers." Complaining of a lack of DRM? Buh? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone over there haha. Of course, these people also feel that the original Operation Flashpoint was an unrivaled success story in PC gaming... Edited October 7, 2009 by alanschu
Rosbjerg Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 There's no satisfying us customers is there? heh.. Fortune favors the bald.
Purkake Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 If it actually lacks anti-cheating stuff like punkbuster then there might be a problem. The cd-key thing is pretty stupid, though.
alanschu Posted October 7, 2009 Author Posted October 7, 2009 If it actually lacks anti-cheating stuff like punkbuster then there might be a problem. The cd-key thing is pretty stupid, though. I'll agree anti-cheat stuff could be an issue... But the lack of CD key? Pirates = cheaters it seems. And people with valid CD keys never cheat... or something. I doubt the game will be big enough to warrant a significant cheating culture for it anyway haha.
Cl_Flushentityhero Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 Hah, I can think of more immediate complaints to make about multiplayer, like the inability to join a game in progress or some people losing their connection to the master server every 5 minutes.
Purkake Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 People really need to make some sort of open source netcode thing. Everyone being forced to do their own usually leads to sucky multiplayer.
alanschu Posted October 7, 2009 Author Posted October 7, 2009 Except the company that makes uber kickass netcode will want to profit off of it. Plus, from what I can understand, generic netcode is a bit tricky. A lot of it depends on what is needed to transfer.
Purkake Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Make it middleware like the Havok physics stuff is, I'm sure most would rather pay a little more to save time and get a decent multiplayer instead of wasting time and resources on some crap that no one will play and that they will have to patch for the next 2 years. I think Steamworks offers something like this, but hardly anyone is using it. Edited October 7, 2009 by Purkake
entrerix Posted October 7, 2009 Posted October 7, 2009 im sure there is a fantastic middle ware solution for netcode just over the horizon. theres probably half a dozen companies working towards it right now. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
Humodour Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Except the company that makes uber kickass netcode will want to profit off of it. That's never stopped the open source movement before (both making a profit off open source, and coding an open source alternative to a proprietary product).
alanschu Posted October 8, 2009 Author Posted October 8, 2009 That is true. But how often does open source stuff get put into commercial games?
213374U Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Well, at last. It's been years since I've been able to use aimbot + wallhack in a game. And now I don't even have to pay for the game! Seriously, though. Isn't PB something you can incorporate to servers at any time? It used to be that way, at least. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Walsingham Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Hey, multiplayer Op Flashpoint rocks. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Matthew Rorie Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 That is true. But how often does open source stuff get put into commercial games? I believe Nintendo actually has rules against certifying projects that use open source software. Which is too bad. Matthew Rorie
Nightshape Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Hah, I can think of more immediate complaints to make about multiplayer, like the inability to join a game in progress or some people losing their connection to the master server every 5 minutes. There is actually a very good technical reason why you can't join a game in progress. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Nightshape Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) People really need to make some sort of open source netcode thing. Everyone being forced to do their own usually leads to sucky multiplayer. use's raknet. http://www.jenkinssoftware.com/ Edited October 9, 2009 by Nightshape I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Nightshape Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Except the company that makes uber kickass netcode will want to profit off of it. Plus, from what I can understand, generic netcode is a bit tricky. A lot of it depends on what is needed to transfer. Net code is all message based. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
alanschu Posted October 9, 2009 Author Posted October 9, 2009 I'll defer to your experience. I never did take networking in school. What makes network code good vs. poor?
Nightshape Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 I'll defer to your experience. I never did take networking in school. What makes network code good vs. poor? Well net code is just about sending the state of the game from the server to the clients, and updating that state, the problems are likely not related to anything more than a few messages being garbled and not handled quite elegantly enough. The problem as far as I know with network code is it's extremely hard to debug, as it requires network traffic to be monitored, etc... It's also not easy to recreate real world conditions, but obviously companies try. I'm sure these problems will be fixed, but network code is extremely challenging. Oh but here's something funky, we have one of the network coders from Media Molecule working at our place now. random fact I wanted to share. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
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