lord of flies Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Now, when I first heard that you couldn't be black, I just thought "Well, I guess it makes sense. They'd have to write and voice entirely new dialogue if they did that, since black people are treated differently than white people." It was acceptable. I mean, maybe using "white" as the assumed default and anything else just being a bonus isn't the best race-relations stuff, but it's not that bad. A plurality of the target audience is white males and all that. But now I hear that you spent all this time and effort to make people react differently to you based on what difficulty level you're playing? Why didn't you spend that effort on making it possible to play as a black character? Hmm? I'll just leave you all on that thought. Really disappointed in you, Obsidian. I thought you were better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I resent your implicit use of a white-black dichotomy, lord of flies. It's exactly that kind of inside-the-box thinking that reinforces negative race-relations. When you've just got a white male you can justify it by saying you can only have one character, but what happens when we have a black protagonist, huh? Where's the yellow? Or those weird ones like Greeks? Really disappointed. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) I resent your implicit use of a white-black dichotomy, lord of flies. It's exactly that kind of inside-the-box thinking that reinforces negative race-relations. When you've just got a white male you can justify it by saying you can only have one character, but what happens when we have a black protagonist, huh? Where's the yellow?Whoa-holy crap. Yellow? Are you serious? Yellow (as used to describe a group of people) is a very offensive ethnic slur. Edited August 17, 2009 by lord of flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) "Black people are treated differently than white people" isn't necessarily something that would need to be implemented in a game. Perhaps a comment here and there, if anything. I'm assuming they simply wanted MT to be white. A writing thing. btw, didn't they ban you after the "death to Israel" debacle? edit: Tigranes is Asian, if I'm not mistaken. Edited August 17, 2009 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastramiX Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 What? I haven't seen any official article or thread mentioning lack of ethnicity selections. Even if it is true, I agree with the above post; it would only create a greater "need" for a mandatory mulit-ethnic option, ultimately ultra-PC'ing games, and eventually, curb overall creativity. Alpha Protocol Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 btw, didn't they ban you after the "death to Israel" debacle? Uh, no, they didn't. I didn't even get an official warning, actually. I plan on remaking that thread someday, but I guess with a different title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Neither yellow nor black are offensive words in mature company. And if they were, the fact that I am Asian wouldn't change it. This thread makes me curious about what kind of background, if any, Mike will get - i.e. rich family, poor family, parents with spy connections, whatever. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) bah n/m Edited August 17, 2009 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPro Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 This thread makes me curious about what kind of background, if any, Mike will get - i.e. rich family, poor family, parents with spy connections, whatever. Hes obviously going to be some rich, snobby british type. I know one of the videos showed a manservant accompanying you. I just know it. build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, but set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPro Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 and to answer tho OP's question, i don't think theres an option at the start 'black or white?', but im pretty sure you can change the skin tone of MT a bit. I think they said that in the safehouse walkthrough. build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, but set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Perhaps you can change the tone during the game as well, so that can roleplay a mixed-blood spy insecure about his racial background and appearances. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloaker Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Neither yellow nor black are offensive words in mature company. Black is not, but yellow is quite racist. At least, it is here. For example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cl_Flushentityhero Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Because the black guy never got hired in the first place . . . *tiddly boom* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Perhaps you can change the tone during the game as well, so that can roleplay a mixed-blood spy insecure about his racial background and appearances.I think skin tone refers to how tanned Mike is, not his race. Also, why do you guys still listen to lof? Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 No war but class war. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycloneman Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Also, why do you guys still listen to lof?Because he's the most consistently interesting poster on this forum. Evidence: he's only been on these forums for, what, four months and he's already got three sig quotes (AFAIK). His posts are so memorable, people keep bringing them up months later. He is so good at being entertaining some guy just empty quoted his sig. I could probably find like twenty or more posts going "lol" and "lof rules." I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 *shakes head* Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycloneman Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 *shakes head* nope, sorry, lof owns. I mean just look at this. I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community." Just look at this. I was just re-reading his old posts and I burst out laughing at this. I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Self delusion is funny, I agree with that. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Self delusion is funny, I agree with that.It's not self delusion if I really am a better poster that you lot. Anyway, this is a getting a bit off-topic, so let's get back on the original topic, which is now the fact that Tigranes is clearly racist against people of south east Asian descent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 ban plz. (Tigranes, that is) - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanSh0t1st Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Meh. I preferred LoF's thread asking if AP would force the player to be 'an American Imperialist, furthering Western interests while trampling over local democracy' (my summary of his post) By comparison, though, this is pretty uninteresting If at first you don't succeed, don't try Russian Roulette... Do I look like a reasonable man, or a peppermint nightmare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenitay Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Anyway, this is a getting a bit off-topic, so let's get back on the original topic, which is now the fact that Tigranes is clearly racist against people of south east Asian descent. Oh no! Tigranes is racist against himself! Hey now, my mother is huge and don't you forget it. The drunk can't even get off the couch to make herself a vodka drenched sandwich. Octopus suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Yellow rabbit-clouds, the spawn of the devil I say. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Oh no! Tigranes is racist against himself! Do you think its impossible for a minority to hold negative opinions about his own minority group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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